posted July 15, 2013 02:25 PM            

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Doesn't the media see this coming? Why do they harp on these issues so much, it's like they WANT to create civil unrest.

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Yes, the media is carrying this beyond the norm and will cause more unrest than ease with the verdict.

posted July 15, 2013 02:46 PM            

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Yes, the media is carrying this beyond the norm and will cause more unrest than ease with the verdict.

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Does the media 'see' this coming, or is it subliminally sending messages to the people, by mentioning things like the Rodney King riots, and 'white' people getting away with being bad to 'black' people, along side to this story...and asking them to do the same.

Maybe they want to see if they can still play the 'race card.'

In Europe the suddenly faltering economies and people's rights are an issue, in Turkey they are angry that another shopping mall is being built in a place, that is obviously an attack at the Turkish identity, and in Brazil and South America in general, the incredible amount of wealth, along side to incredible poverty due to out of this world corruption has finally gotten to the people there...and so what about the USA, how can they press her buttons?

We find out that race, is still the sensitive issue there. Even though Zimmerman isn't 'technically' white, it suddenly turned to black vs white again....this doesn't happen in many other places in the world.

Agreed that with this story the focus should be on the mentality and misguided actions that caused this tragedy in the first place, in addition to some real strange laws...not the mob mentality that is following...

posted July 15, 2013 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
Not surprised by the verdict at all. There wasn't enough evidence to convict him.

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True. Prosecution failed. The law is perverse, not necessarily the verdict.

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Anyway, I love how the media has called Zimmerman a "white hispanic". Whatever that means.

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No doubt "white Hispanic" is being used to bait the race discussion. But in fairness, Zimmerman is white on his father's side, hispanic on his mother's. And then there's the "Hispanic isn't a race" argument.

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There's not much to go on, so it's weird that some people feel that strongly about the verdict.
We weren't there. So what's there to argue about?

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I'm not sure it's the case itself, but its ties to larger public referendums of the day. Race relations, gun control, vigilante justice, profiling. Numerous murders more violent, more shocking than Martin's have occurred recently but they don't hit on the political hotspots the Zimmerman trial has.

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Unfortunately, the second paragraph takes it to a different place. Granted, racism can certainly be amplified with the implementation of this law...I lament the fact that only the outcome is tried, and not the poor decisions leading to the outcome. It's crazy that a person can start a confrontation, and then kill the person they were confronting, and have it still be legal.

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There it is. It's a hell of a precedent we're setting here.

I'm also floored by those insisting Martin was a 'thug' I've seen pics of him throwing the finger posted as if this proves a maximum penitentiary prison was in his immediate future.

posted July 15, 2013 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Moon Witch
I have heard of couples going on a raw food diet and conceiving when they had difficulty prior.

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These things are so individual and we all respond differently. I've run into many raw vegans unable to conceive until they switched to a Traditional/Weston Price diet. I do agree that diet may play a part in ease of conception for some so always worth exploring the various options. But I'm sure you've explored everything under the sun and then some. It can feel so terribly frustrating and unfair, I know. Much luck to you, MoonWitch.

posted July 15, 2013 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
*sigh*
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/15/zimmerman_trial_juror_to_write_book/

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I know if I was one of the jurors, I would be fearful right along with Zimmerman.

Anything to make a buck

posted July 15, 2013 04:22 PM            

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No doubt "white Hispanic" is being used to bait the race discussion. But in fairness, Zimmerman is white on his father's side, hispanic on his mother's. And then there's the "Hispanic isn't a race" argument.

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Would that make Obama a white African American since his mother is white? The media was/is just trying to serve their own agenda with this case, imo. There are so many other cases out there that are straightforward racially driven and the media doesn't touch them.

I don't even want to touch the idea of latino or hispanic as not being a race. If I go research that idea online I'll likely run out of my office screaming. *faceplant* Who am I kidding? Now I have to go research that.

posted July 15, 2013 04:28 PM            

Thanks, btw, to all of you for well wishes regarding conception. I always appreciate that. I have a beautiful 14 year old from a previous marriage so I'm lucky. My current husband and I have been trying for 4 years with nothing.

posted July 15, 2013 04:34 PM            

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The media was/is just trying to serve their own agenda with this case, imo. There are so many other cases out there that are straightforward racially driven and the media doesn't touch them.

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Exactly and it`s stirring up an unwarrented frenzy.

posted July 15, 2013 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
My current husband and I have been trying for 4 years with nothing.

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There are so many studies out there that completely contradict each other!

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I was infertile for a while after my first son was born. I did a cleansing fast for a week and got pregnant two weeks later.

Since then I've come across many articles that link fasting with fertility, including a book I bought when I did the Master Cleanse, that includes testimonials from people who reversed infertility after fasting.

Here's an interesting article:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17701-fasting-could-extend-female-fertility.html

Best wishes

posted July 15, 2013 06:38 PM            

that is why she was aquitted. for not having willfully killed her daughter. had she been judged for being an incompetent mother, maybe she would have been charged. but from the start she had been considered by the accusation a murderer, unlike the jury that found her not guilty of 1st degree murder

sorry, I had to say that. I followed most of the trial live, entirely. and seriously, besides hypotesis, the accusation relied on nothing.

posted July 15, 2013 06:40 PM            

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I think it was the Zimmerman's decision to forgo the Stand Your Ground pretrial hearing that confused people.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense

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I agree and the civil case the Martin family is talking about don`t seem to have legs.

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Benjamin Crump, attorney for the Martin family, said Zimmerman's decision to "merge" the hearing and the trial "is very telling of his defense, or lack thereof."

"We believe the defense's decision to waive a pretrial hearing and to merge the 'stand your ground' hearing into the trial is to prevent putting George Zimmerman on the stand," Crump said in a press release, "and to preclude the public and the potential jury pool from previewing the many inconsistencies in George Zimmerman's story."

Crump said a pretrial hearing was clearly the intent of state law because the statute "grants immunity from civil lawsuits, arrests and trials, if a defendant prevails."

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Zimmermans atts. said if Martins pursue a civil case, a lot of negative info on Trayvon would be open to discussion. So, between the state law and the revealing info, I can`t imagine them pursuing it.

posted July 15, 2013 06:43 PM            

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Does this give anyone the right to start an altercation then end it with deadly force?
Fix the law, fix the outcomes.

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True. Prosecution failed. The law is perverse, not necessarily the verdict.

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There it is. It's a hell of a precedent we're setting here.

I'm also floored by those insisting Martin was a 'thug' I've seen pics of him throwing the finger posted as if this proves a maximum penitentiary prison was in his immediate future.

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I think it was the Zimmerman's decision to forgo the Stand Your Ground pretrial hearing that confused people.

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I agree. The person citing that didn't realize that it was a legal strategy to avoid allowing a judge (and only a judge) to make the legal determination whether Stand Your Ground was in play.

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These things are so individual and we all respond differently. I've run into many raw vegans unable to conceive until they switched to a Traditional/Weston Price diet. I do agree that diet may play a part in ease of conception for some so always worth exploring the various options. But I'm sure you've explored everything under the sun and then some. It can feel so terribly frustrating and unfair, I know. Much luck to you, MoonWitch.

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Totally agree with Shura here.

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I don't even want to touch the idea of latino or hispanic as not being a race. If I go research that idea online I'll likely run out of my office screaming. *faceplant* Who am I kidding? Now I have to go research that.

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posted July 16, 2013 02:56 AM            

The Truth About George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc&feature=youtu.be

posted July 16, 2013 07:34 AM            

@15:56: "Zimmerman's account is corroborated by all available evidence."

posted July 16, 2013 01:22 PM              

I might live here forever, or Belgium because it's also friendly country with no race issues like in the States and gay people's rights and i was born there anyways.

But i do hope Zimmerman gets shot and the judge who let him go should be stripped of his job.

Its so hilarious how where still in 2013, you guys have a biracial president, and there's still racism.

And the plastic surgeons, they make famous black women like Tamar Braxton look whitewashed. smh

posted July 16, 2013 01:25 PM            

I tried watching that video, but stopped after a little bit of the introduction, as ti became clear he was trying to 'paint a picture' so to speak of a good vs bad guy.

For starters yes Martins was a big guy....well at 200 pounds Zimmerman was bigger. On the other hand when a person's head is knocked down on the pavement and bleeding, they don't always make the best decisions.

Anyway this is all too tragic, and it's not good to speak that way about the dead, when they can't defend themselves, like in that video.

posted July 16, 2013 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
to me i see it as a story of two normal people meeting at the wrong point in time resulting in a 'wrong' outcome...

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Yes...though it seems they weren't exactly normal, maybe both were kind of high strung with a mean side.

It's interesting that they are/were both Pigs, with exactly trine suns.

Zimmerman: b. Oct. 5, 1983
Martin: b. Feb. 5, 1995

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Pigs are:
Sensible, Sensual and Sensitive, Sweetly naive, Caring, Self-sacrificing, Erudite, Talented, Open-handed, Candid, Outgoing, Obliging, Hospitable and Virtuous.

But Pigs can also be:
Hot-tempered, Pessimistic, Excessively Epicurean, Sardonic, Snobbish, Snide, Authoritarian, Know-it-all, Stingy and Pig-headed.

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posted July 16, 2013 03:11 PM            

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But i do hope Zimmerman gets shot and the judge who let him go should be stripped of his job.

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Errr, okay, but not. Naturally you are angry but two wrongs will never make a right.

Zimmerman is of a Black Peruvian grandma, and Jewish dad, so he probably knows about prejudice more than other people, anyway.

Not to mention he's already dealing with his karma, so no i don't hope another person will end up in jail for murder, cause killing is wrong, is the whole point of this.
Goodness.

Amazing how the media has turned it to a race issue, when it's not.

posted July 16, 2013 03:14 PM            

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Says Suzanne White

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WOW about the sun trine, and pigs. Most pigs i know are honest and straighforward, and the only 'snotty' 'holier than thou' one, was like that bcoz she did come from one super rich family.

But even this being mean and high strung is normal...many people know someone like that, luckily, such people don't usually end up meeting each other, or else i guess we'd have so many more horrible cases like this one...