posted October 23, 2013 01:21 PM            

Perhaps you should have focused on what I bolded...the deaths of French in the American Revolution.

I've never seen any recorded deaths of French. The biggest French contribution was their naval forces which blocked British warships in American harbors.

posted October 23, 2013 01:27 PM            

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posted October 23, 2013 01:43 PM            

Your original suggestion that the French only came in when they were sure we were winning sounds just a tad chauvinistic. They gave us so much money, arms, ammunition, land and naval power that France was practically bankrupted. Which was followed by massive problems at home and most likely jumpstarted the revolution there.

In fact many of Washington's land forces were Frenchmen too, and 20% of there soldiers dying is pretty huge.

So to suggest that French blood was not spilled for the revolution is glossing over history. The fact that what they really cared about was defeating the British makes no practical difference re what they did and the sacrifice entailed on their part.

posted October 23, 2013 10:21 PM            

There's not one historian who would suggest that France lost 20% of their military forces...dead...in the American Revolution. That's just plain old fashioned bullshiit.

But, don't think I'm deflected from the main point...being foreign nationals attempting to stick their long bony busy body noses into American politics and policy.

Take care of your own problems at home...which are far worse that what you're attempting to highlight in America.

posted October 23, 2013 10:22 PM            

Ha ha ha ha. Thank God for Jwhop or I would have to leave. You all would not want that. Would you

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posted October 24, 2013 08:48 AM            

There were 8000 American combat deaths in the Revolutionary War...over the entire years of the war.

So, name that historian who says there were 2000 French combat deaths in that war.

My point remains the same. Foreign nationals who come here to tell Americans how to run America are going to get slammed with examples of illegality, corruption, murder, slavery, incompetence and general lack of enlightenment in their own nation. For instance, "The Untouchables" abuse in India, along with the 14,000,000 citizens of India held in slavery.

Can you imagine the hew and cry in America if it were revealed there was a class of American citizens who could be murdered, raped, robbed, denied jobs and treated as social outcasts without any recourse and no prosecutions by government?

Can you imagine the hew and cry in America if it were revealed there were 14,000,000 Americans being held in America in slavery?

posted October 24, 2013 09:11 AM            

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In the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), France fought alongside the United States, against Britain, from 1778. French money, munitions, soldiers and naval forces proved essential to America's victory over the Crown, but France gained little except large debts.In the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), France fought alongside the United States, against Britain, from 1778. French money, munitions, **soldiers** and naval forces proved essential to America's victory over the Crown, but France gained little except large debts.

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I hope this isn't too difficult to read for some given the state of education...otherwise i'm sure some of the nicer people here will be more than happy to help some of you with it...

posted October 24, 2013 10:57 AM            

I gave up my residency by default after not having returned there two years after leaving...though the option to reapply is open.

posted October 24, 2013 11:04 AM            

This is a historical society. There are references galore. AG provided you with the translation.

I do believe you hope to exhaust the oppostion demanding repetitions and arguing over small print rather than ever addressing the fact that you are unreasonably attached to YOUR OPINIONS

posted October 24, 2013 11:09 AM            

Which would also include those born in the US...an accident of birth but who consider themselves.."Citizens of the World".

"I do believe you hope to exhaust the oppostion demanding repetitions and arguing over small print rather than ever addressing the fact that you are unreasonably attached to YOUR OPINIONS"...Catalina/katatonic

The opposition..as you put it are generally the one's expressing opinions...without any factual backup.

One such person ventured the opinion that French citizens "died" aiding Americans in the American Revolution.

Then, that person...instead of presenting facts about those "deaths", posts information lacking any claims of French deaths..and then, doubles down by posting the very same information again.

Further Catalina/katatonic, you are at the top of the list of those here who post fact-less drivel.

posted October 24, 2013 11:31 AM            

Any way, you lose. That is what happens to those who can't change in any way.

posted October 24, 2013 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
I am not going to argue with boldfaced denial. It's here in print. And you just proved my point about trying to "win" through sheer exhaustion.

Any way, you lose. That is what happens to those who can't change in any way.

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You have GOT to make a guest appearance on my article series on Gaslighting.

What name would you like to use? Catalina or Katonic?

You can write an eye witness, man on the spot piece. It would be gang bustas

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posted October 24, 2013 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
No, Rain, I had a residency in the UK, for 18 of the 21 yrs I lived there. My daughter is a dual with an American Citizen Born Abroad certificate from the London Embassy and a British one too.

I gave up my residency by default after not having returned there two years after leaving...though the option to reapply is open.

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it's cool she has both British and American citizenship though, can work anywhere in the EU when things get going again, and the US it's always an advantage...(except if you can't fill in tax forms properly, also don't find it fair that US expats are the only in the world which must pay tax even on income earned abroad, but oh well)

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So every time jwhop calls me an Accidental American I have to laugh...he being s citizen by accident of birth, and I, through active choice. Life is so full of ironies, isn't it?

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posted October 24, 2013 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
The proof presented about French [b]DEATHS assisting Americans in the American Revolution.

"In the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), France fought alongside the United States, against Britain, from 1778. French money, munitions, soldiers and naval forces proved essential to America's victory over the Crown, but France gained little except large debts.In the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), France fought alongside the United States, against Britain, from 1778. French money, munitions, **soldiers** and naval forces proved essential to America's victory over the Crown, but France gained little except large debts."[/B]

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posted October 24, 2013 12:49 PM            

NoRain, US citizens who earn over $70000 per year (may have been adjusted up for inflation by now) do pay tax to the US as well as their new country. Though I couldn't vote in England I paid tax there, which I was glad to do...cheaper than any insurance plan here that would cover me for EVERY MEDICAL NEED, included a doctor who came to my house when my daughter was sick w fever, and who was smart enough to diagnose a pregnsncy that had made me very ill while home visiting my mother.

While I was hospitalized w pneumonia in the suburbs of NY, the doctors subjected me to xrays, bone marrow aspiration and blood tests...one thing they never thought to check was whether i were pregnant...which i was, while breastfeeding. My English GP discovered this through palpation...granted the time lapse was helpful, but as i was already 3 months gone when in NY, a simple urine test would have told the tale, and saved the insurance co. many hundreds of pounds, while I would have been much less abused by docs and possibly not have lost that baby. This was in 1984.

So people who tell me the "horrors" of the NHS and tge vast superiority of the American way of medicine...which they do here, ad nauseam can go blow.

Especially since they have not experienced anything outside their insulated parameters...of course they can, and do, call me a liar, because there is no comeback to an accusation like that here.

posted October 24, 2013 12:50 PM            

I didn't call YOU an Accidental American but thanks for raising your hand and identifying yourself.

Now, all we need is for those who support O'Bomber in his efforts to radically transform America to do the same.

You can form your own little club..or cult; The Accidental Americans.

Oh wait, you already have...the Marxist Socialist Progressive club/cult.

Let's see:

British women forced to deliver their babies in the parking lots of hospitals..or at home.

British citizens forced to pull their own teeth.

British citizens killed while in hospital..against their wishes and the wishes of their families by their doctors under the auspices of NICE...which isn't nice at all.

British citizens waiting on long lists for treatment for illness or disease and/or waiting to even get an appointment. Some of them die before they even get to see a doctor...or by the time they do, it's too late to save their lives.

Yes, there are the glories of the British Socialist Health Care System.

None of that for America...but you can go back to Britain and partake anytime you wish.

posted October 24, 2013 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
You have done so, jwhop, and we have established a couple of years ago that my memory of your statements which you deny later, was the more accurate.

I know you won't cop to it, you never do. No matter

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posted October 24, 2013 01:10 PM            

Answers

Martin Cruse 4 years ago

posted October 24, 2013 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Inaccuracy and misstatements are your province Catalina/katatonic.

You prove it here almost every day.

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You made an itty bitty mistake, Jwhop. You forgot Gaslighting

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posted October 24, 2013 01:28 PM            

Your anecdotes from British rags are just that.
I know someone who had her baby on the stairs on the way to the door where the ambulance was arriving less than twenty minutes after her first labour pain and call for a ride. SO WHAT? You obviously knownothing about the things that can happen outside anyone's control when labour starts.

Dental plans here are expensive and exclude many treatments too. The continued privatization of the NHS has definitely caused deterioration over the last 30 years. And in the dental field in England I experienced a wide range of services...some dentists milk the system, true, and some make it work for their patients. I had gum surgery that saved a tooth by my dentist, @ the cost of less than a visit to a dentists office here, where I was referred to a specialist who would only consider whole mouth treatments totalling thousands.