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iQ
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posted October 18, 2013 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever is happening in USA is a classic case of risky economics but good politics.
The top 5% are actually supporting Democrats, hence we see a very healthy valuation for Dow Jones. The bottom 55-60% are benefiting in some way or the other from welfare programs.
It is the middle 35-40% who are getting squeezed in most states, whether they be "Blue" or "Red". This is not economically good in the long run but in the medium term, the politics is good enough to enable another Democratic Party Victory. The Tea Party may contest on its own and further destroy the Republican Vote Share. We are yet to see a single Reagan like leader from the GOP. Last time, they put up a Democratic Carpetbagger named Mitt Romney and lost terribly. I remember one of the top Republican Pundits, our very own JWH predict 320-330 seats for the GOP. When their best brains are so far removed from the political reality on the ground, then it is a near impossible task to turn around their fortunes.

I said this 3 years ago and will say it again. USA can pay off its entire debt by
going for a Latvia type "Permanent Resident" Program i.e: Sell a USA Passport without US Social Security Rights to ten million middle class and upper middle class families in UK, India, China, Korea, Japan, Brazil, France and South Africa for $10,000 per family. A passport that gives Visa on Arrival to these people and full currency convertibility to do business anywhere in the World with full American Diplomatic Security. It is a cash infusion of 100 billion dollars plus job creation of 20-30 million jobs when these people enter USA, buy foreclosed homes, hire Americans etc. Latvia right now charges 50000 Euros per family to give a Latvian Passport but they give this money back after 5 years. USA should keep the cash, the rich Immigrants ill not mind.

Many do not recall but a system like this was in place prior to 1985 when it cost less than $10000 then per family to get a Green Card. These families all thrived but they have access to full benefits.

This is an idea that can even be done on a State Wide Basis and rejuvenate the Coffers of the States smart enough to do this. It is always better to attract wealthy, cash rich foreigners than fight the problem of Illegal Immigration by wasting billions.

The sheer growth in tourism would add a further 100 billion dollars to the annual internal revenues when these immigrants travel, trade and spend across US of A.

100 billion cash + 100 billion a year plus 20-30 million jobs created by 10 million rich families. You do not need a Nobel Prize Winner in Economics to certify this win-win-win plan for America.


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posted October 18, 2013 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice to see you again, IQ. I don't agree with your politics but you are a superb person, in my book,

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posted October 18, 2013 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

But IQ, the US already has something so similar, for an investment of a million dollars in a real business that employs at least 4 Americans....a person gets an instant green card, and potential for citizenship within only 2 years, if a person has serviced that country greatly even less.

Now here is the problem...a lot of Chinese people did just that because of what they thought a US passport means....now that they got it, most are trying to get rid of it and 'buy' some European passport instead, as no one explained to them anything about the US tax system, and how Americans happen to be the only people in the world who get taxed even if they are working abroad. The joke is you'd more likely to get away with murder than tax evasion in the US.

if anything they need to restructure everything from the ground up again to become what the guys who actually got independence from Britain wanted the US to be. Ever since world war 2, the US economy sadly is 'put into motion' via war...like they need wars around the world in order to survive..and in no way am i saying that the normal American enjoys it, some very peaceful people happen to be from that country, but this is how those who control their economy at the time being have it running. No surprise that they are mostly weapon or petrol or bank business's.

Little known fact, a lot of the great Japanese electronics are actually invented in the US first, but due to the complicated way of doing things there...the Japanese simply copy it and sell it much more easily and at a cheaper price...if the US can work around that, all will be well.

BTW yes good to see you on the forums again to, always offering a new perspective that really make a person think!

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There was a man who lived across town from his friend. With lots of spare time on his hands he was forever giving unsolicited home advice to his friend about how his house should be changed. He didn't like the roofline or shake shingles. He didn't like the bay window. He didn't like the hardwood floors. He didn't like the kitchen or the bathrooms. He didn't even like the landscaping.

One day while visiting his friend across town to give him unsolicited advice about his home, his own home caught fire from an electrical short and burned to the ground.

India, China, Pakistan, Nigeria on slavery's list of shame, says report
Tim Hume, CNN
October 17, 2013

Hong Kong (CNN) -- A new report claiming to be the most comprehensive look at global slavery says 30 million people are living as slaves around the world.

The Global Slavery Index, published by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation, lists India as the country with by far the most slaves, with an estimated nearly 14 million, followed by China (2.9 million) and Pakistan (2.1 million).

The top 10 countries on its list of shame accounted for more than three quarters of the 29.8 million people living in slavery, with Nigeria, Ethiopia, Russia, Thailand, Democratic Republic of Congo, Myanmar and Bangladesh completing the list.

In terms of countries with the highest of proportion of slaves, Mauritania in West Africa topped the table, with about 4% of its 3.4 million people enslaved, followed by Haiti, Pakistan, India and Nepal.

The index, whose authors claim it contains the most authoritative data on slavery conditions worldwide, is the product of Australian mining magnate and philanthropist Andrew Forrest's commitment to stamp out global slavery.

Forrest, ranked by Forbes as Australia's fifth richest man, with an estimated net worth of $5.7 billion, adopted the cause after his daughter volunteered in an orphanage in Nepal in 2008, where she encountered victims of child sex trafficking. Forrest is a signatory to the Giving Pledge started by billionaire investor Warren Buffett, whose members commit to donating at least half their wealth to philanthropic causes.

The index, which draws on 10 years of research into slavery and was produced by a team of 4 authors supported by 22 other experts, is the inaugural edition of what will be an annual report. It ranks 162 countries according to the number of people living in slavery, the risk of enslavement and the robustness of government responses to the problem.

Walk Free policy and research manager Gina Dafalia told CNN the report was intended to shine a spotlight on the issue, and quantify the extent of the problem in different countries before anti-slavery initiatives were launched. So far, she said, Walk Free, along with partners Humanity United and the Legatum Foundation, had pledged a total of $100 million to stamp out the practice.

"When we started working in this area we realized that we didn't have a good understanding of what exactly the situation of slavery is in the world," she said. "We needed that information before we started doing any interventions."

The index gives a higher estimate of the global number of slaves than other reports -- a report by the International Labor Organization last year pegged the number at 20.9 million.

Dafalia said this was a result of the Global Slavery Index using a broader definition of slavery, which included human trafficking, forced labor, as well as practices such as forced marriage, debt bondage and the exploitation of children.

"Our definition of modern slavery includes, for example, forced and servile marriage, a concept not included in the ILO estimate, given the focus on 'forced labor,'" she said.

The explicit definition used in the report was "the possession and control of a person in such a way as to significantly deprive that person of his or her individual liberty, with the intent of exploiting that person through their use, management, profit, transfer or disposal. Usually this exercise will be achieved through means such as violence or threats of violence, deception and/or coercion."

Kevin Bales, one of the report's authors and co-founder of Free the Slaves, said that the global number of slaves was difficult to quantify. But through methods including random sample surveys, researchers were able to arrive at an estimate. "We were able to go to households and say 'Has anything like this happened to anyone in your family?'" he said.

He believed the index, which he hoped would provide "a bit of a wake-up call" to the world's governments, had a margin of error of between 5-10%. "We always erred on the conservative side."

Asked why 30 million continued to live in conditions of slavery in 2013, Dafalia said the reasons varied from country to country, but one constant was that it remained a "hidden problem."

We're not talking about bad choices, we're not talking about crummy jobs in a sweatshop. We're talking about real life slavery -- you can't walk away, you're controlled through violence, you're treated like property.
Global Slavery Index co-author Kevin Bales

In some of the worst-hit countries, the report said, the affected parties were citizens ensnared in endemic, culturally-sanctioned forms of slavery -- "the chattel slavery of the Haratins in Mauritania, the exploitation of children through the restavek practice in Haiti, the cultural and economic practices of both caste and debt bondage in India and Pakistan, and the exploitation of children through vidomegon in Benin."

In other examples, including Nepal, Gabon and Moldova, it was migrants who were most vulnerable to exploitation. In many examples, noted the report, child and forced marriage was prevalent and child protection practices weak.

It noted that in India, the country with the most slaves, the risk of enslavement varied markedly from state to state.

The Middle East and North Africa, it said, showed the highest measured level of discrimination against women, with one result being a high level of forced and child marriages within the region, and widespread exploitation of trafficked women as domestic workers and prostitutes. Vulnerable male migrants also frequently found themselves in exploitative working conditions.

In contrast, said Bales, countries like Brazil led the world in anti-slavery efforts. "It has a national plan to eradicate slavery. It has a dirty list where it has every company that's ever had slavery pollute their products, they have special anti-slavery police squads."

He rejected the suggestion that the term "slavery" was an overly emotive or misleading way of defining people who were trapped by crushing poverty.

"I spend a lot of time talking to people who have been or are in slavery, and when you talk to them about it, they know what the situation is," he said.

"We're not talking about bad choices, we're not talking about crummy jobs in a sweatshop. We're talking about real life slavery -- you can't walk away, you're controlled through violence, you're treated like property."
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posted October 18, 2013 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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100 billion cash + 100 billion a year plus 20-30 million jobs created by 10 million rich families. You do not need a Nobel Prize Winner in Economics to certify this win-win-win plan for America.

High finance isn`t my forte but off the cuff, sounds good...

Except, wouldn`t it be more like selling the Constitution to the wealthiest and reducing other countries to their poorest levels?

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posted October 18, 2013 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ, NRNR

Always enjoy hearing new ideas, IQ. And your beliefs about our politics may be correct. Democrats chances have improved as a result of Republicans being reactive and out-of-control. They used to try to carry the mantle of being the adults in politics, but they are steadily removing that notion from the public's perception.

Good point, Juni. That might actually be what's attractive about it to some people.

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posted October 18, 2013 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

Yeah, sounds exactly like what IQ is proposing for America.

Now IQ, don't you have 14 million slaves in India to set free?

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posted October 18, 2013 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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IQ, NRNR

Always enjoy hearing new ideas, IQ. And your beliefs about our politics may be correct. Democrats chances have improved as a result of Republicans being reactive and out-of-control. They used to try to carry the mantle of being the adults in politics, but they are steadily removing that notion from the public's perception.

Good point, Juni. That might actually be what's attractive about it to some people.


Don't worry Juni and AG...those 'super rich' of other countries already have half their money invested out of their countries so it won't do anything better or worst for the poor....

i don't know if people in the US are aware of how much money ex-soviets and Arab states that don't share anything with them in ethics, have in the US itself....(clue WAAAAAAAAAAAAY much more than back home)

so then the question becomes is it fair to give those people a citizenship of a better place when it comes to respecting personal freedoms, while they themselves do the laws that take it from their own ppl?

nice to see a civilized exchange of thoughts....


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posted October 19, 2013 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop, u remind me of marine lepen here in France. she, too, believes she embodies her country... she's a leo too,

lol

and she prétends to know what is and what isn't France. like you with the US.

slightly annoying type of people, to me...

I Wonder, for this people, is it possible to think that someone else might have a different concept of their country?

sorry just passing by, BUT i PREFER TO LIVE AGAIN FOR UNLIMITED PERIOD OF TIME CAUSE U, LIKE MARINE LEPEN, DO HAVE A NASTY EFFECT ON MY BLOOD PRESSURE

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posted October 19, 2013 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
[b]"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

Yeah, sounds exactly like what IQ is proposing for America.

Now IQ, don't you have 14 million slaves in India to set free?[/B]



I think IQ is very wrong in his politics, too, Jwhop. People miss the essential rot of the NObama administration. It is rotting away this country as sure as termites eating a building.
People can't or won't see it but we do and they all will someday,which is very sad but there is no talking you can do that will seem to open people's eyes

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**About the slaves in Brazil, guess who was the happiest people on the planet when the law there abolished that?
Slaves=WRONG!!

the Slave owners=Correct ...there was even some interview with one i once read, and he basically said how this is what he wanted, as by law there, it used to be that a person has to pay for the food and housing and health and etc of their 'slaves' <---(i feel like the human race is retarded to have come up with this in the first place..)

once they were freed, and the laws there making sure that all are free men...basically now they employees the ex-owner simply started paying them $1-3 (no the 0's aren't missing...that's how much they had to expect as they had no leverage...as they were slaves)


so yeah, the headline looks great with Brazil, the inner writings though...it's a bigger tragedy than before.

also i don't get it, what is wrong with someone trying to improve their life, whether with money, love or citizenship...the US embassies around the world probably know what anyone had for breakfast this morning if you forget, so they wouldn't just let anyone in...***

once the people are in, instead of making a big deal that they are in, just find a good use for them in how they can help the economy, live, education standards etc the neighborhood you know a 'sense of national' or whatever it is called, and no worries.

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posted October 19, 2013 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one realized the rot in any tyranny until it was too late. Look at Chavez or any of them? They ALL came in with hope and change just like NOBama.

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"jwhop, u remind me of marine lepen here in France. she, too, believes she embodies her country... she's a leo too,
lol

and she prétends to know what is and what isn't France. like you with the US.

slightly annoying type of people, to me...

I Wonder, for this people, is it possible to think that someone else might have a different concept of their country?

sorry just passing by, BUT i PREFER TO LIVE AGAIN FOR UNLIMITED PERIOD OF TIME CAUSE U, LIKE MARINE LEPEN, DO HAVE A NASTY EFFECT ON MY BLOOD PRESSURE"...pyre

You might want to listen to Marine Le Pen. She has a lot more on the ball than your little Socialist idiot Francois Hollande, who, if he keeps going down the same dismal road will be lucky if he's not lynched by fed up French citizens.

Yeah, with your blood pressure problem, you should probably stay out of the kitchen.

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for the one who claims to protect individual freedom, you seem to adore politicians that lead us straight toward a new form of dictature. I meazn if marine lepen gets elected it will be an economic disater, and she will allow people to express their lowest instinct. just recently, a female candidate of lepen's party was found comparing our ministre de la justice (same as united state attorney general) to a monkey. it happens she is a black woman.

when jean marie lepen, the father, ruled the party, he was found saying that concentration camp were a DETAIL OF HISTORY. and made some jokes about gaz chambers. now you can hear Young people who didn't go to school argue that it wasn't very important, some forgetting about it...

I'll stay out of the kitcen and let the kid play, but one thing, my username is pire, not pyre, pire is a frnch word meaning worst, I thought you knew that word, there is an asteroid pire, check it out to see if it is not on your sun or asteroid "idealism" if it exist

bye now

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It seems, pire, that those who don't care what other countries think of US are all to comfortable criticizing those other countries and their citizens.

Sorry not to see more of you but i do understand! Aurevoir - j'espere, bonhomme

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It seems, pire, that those who don't care what other countries think of US are all to comfortable criticizing those other countries and their citizens.

Sorry not to see more of you but i do understand! Aurevoir - j'espere, bonhomme


What a great citizen of the world

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Ami, are you really in a position to make judgments about who is a citizen of the world?

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The words of the tongue should have three gatekeepers:
Is it true?
Is it kind?
Is it necessary?

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Originally posted by juniperb:
The words of the tongue should have three gatekeepers:
Is it true?
Is it kind?
Is it necessary?

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Ami, are you really in a position to make judgments about who is a citizen of the world?


You are cute, AG. You are a polite person

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I wasn't being cute or polite. Just wondering why you'd try to undercut a fair post by Cat when she's obviously right.

If you want to talk sarcastically about a "great citizen of the world," a more appropriate target would be non-world-traveler Jwhop, who came in here attempting to distract from IQ's point by bringing up something completely irrelevant to the topic. That's something that's eye-roll worthy. Not Cat's post.

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I wasn't being cute or polite. Just wondering why you'd try to undercut a fair post by Cat when she's obviously right.

If you want to talk sarcastically about a "great citizen of the world," a more appropriate target would be non-world-traveler Jwhop, who came in here attempting to distract from IQ's point by bringing up something completely irrelevant to the topic. That's something that's eye-roll worthy. Not Cat's post.


OK, no more compliments for you, Acoustic. Don't you say a word against that great man, Jwhop, who knows more in his little finger than an army of you

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I wasn't being cute or polite. Just wondering why you'd try to undercut a fair post by Cat when she's obviously right.
I undestood what you ment

I had to go translate Aurevoir - j'espere, bonhomme!

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