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Topic: Trumpcare Passes The House!
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Randall
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From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted May 21, 2017 06:41 PM
  
The victory is it has to pass the House first. Check.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 21, 2017 07:28 PM
And the failure is that even the insurers agree Obanacare is not "imploding" but being murdered by current manoeuvers and chaosIP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 22, 2017 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
The victory is it has to pass the House first. Check.
A piece of scrap is a victory when it pass`s the house? ------------------
Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 22, 2017 08:26 AM
That's how the legislative process works.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 22, 2017 01:45 PM
http://m.mic.com/articles/177733/donald-trump-s-first-budget-to-slash-800-billion-from-medicaid#.WOBY9Wkjg I watched a show about the photographer Dorothes Lange last night. She became well known taking pictures during the Depression.. before the social safety nets were put in place. It is haunting to think that our govt wants to return to those days. When protesters were shoot in the streets and people starved. Private charities do not suffice. And the bottom line does not have a heart. This budget assumes the House bill is a done deal. That is NOT how the legislative process is meant to work IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 22, 2017 03:20 PM
Fear monger much?IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 22, 2017 04:36 PM
Really? You think private charities should be enough to feed seniors, treat the sick, and override greed in business. you scaremonger all the time about the Nanny state. People dying of lack was real before welfare and unions. Survival of the fittest sounds great on paperIP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 22, 2017 08:26 PM
Yeah, seniors will die in the streets, because Meals on Wheels loses $3 million. You watch too much fake news, which tells you WHAT to think.IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2017 08:33 AM
The new mantra when things are getting too hot to handle:"fake news" "fake news I say." It has replaced "lock her up"  ------------------
Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 23, 2017 09:57 AM
Real journalism reports the facts. Fake news tells people what to think. Fake news takes unverified info received via a source's phone call and reports it as fact.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 23, 2017 10:05 AM
Fake News: President Trump pulled all funding from Meals on Wheels, so millions of seniors will starve to death!Journalism: The $3 million loss is insignificant. Meals on Wheels is almost completely funded by private donations, and the organization will continue feeding seniors just like they always have. They probably significantly increased their donations due to the recent press, but a real journalist would have to do some work to verify that. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 23, 2017 11:42 AM
Fake news.. that I was talking about MOW. You jumped on me for something i didn't say and you're still running with it. Hannity would be proud. Gonna let you pass Randall. Your stock phrases designed to ward off the devil that come from your listening to the same repetitive rabble rousers all the time.. don't qualify as conversation. They are designed to HALT conversation. I learned to sift news sources before you were born. A dio! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 23, 2017 04:02 PM
I just used one common example. The accusation that Republicans want to eliminate public assistance isn't worthy of note, just like the idea that we want dirty air and dirty water.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 30, 2017 03:15 PM
The continuing fiction that ACA is imploding under its own weight.. exposed again
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/policy-dose/articles/2017-05-30/republicans-raised-your-health-care-premiums-not-obamacare?src=usn_tw IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted May 30, 2017 03:31 PM
BCBS joined the many insurers to pull out of the exchanges.IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4470
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 13, 2017 03:09 PM
Where is the Chorus of Complaints about the secret Senate "healthcare" bill? This is even more opaque than the ACA there was so much catetwauling about.. likewise the House bill that people voted on without reading.
http://thinkprogress.org/senate-gop-trumpcare-public-e2ddd9f90ecb IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 14, 2017 12:06 AM
Oops.. guess it's no longer Trumpcare
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/us/politics/trump-in-zigzag-calls-house-republicans-health-bill-mean.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=https://m.facebook.com/home.php IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 19, 2017 07:18 PM
The Senate votes next week!IP: Logged |
Node
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From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2017 07:34 PM
And let us please have another failThere has not been one single minute of PUBLIC hearings or debate! Not one IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 19, 2017 09:15 PM
But you were okay with passing Obamacare to find out what was in it?IP: Logged |
jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2017 11:26 PM
God, what hypocrisy. Leftist lunatics moaning and whining about Republicans drafting the new health care bill behind closed doors.What short memories little leftist snowflakes have. Forgotten is ObamaCare drafted in secret and a 2700 page bill handed out to Senators only hours before the vote...which happened just before midnight on Christmas Eve. Nancy PeeLousy: We have to pass this health care bill so we can find out what's in it!  Whine on little leftist snowflakes. It's embarrassing though.  IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 20, 2017 03:53 AM
It will be a spectacular bill. IP: Logged |
Node
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From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
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posted June 20, 2017 02:07 PM
Spectacular?? A few days ago a Republican Senate aide was asked by a reporter why the GOP leadership felt the need to keep all the discussions for the health care bill completely under wraps and he replied, “We’re not stupid.” Leading Republicans know that what they’re planning is so poisonous to the voters that if they let anyone see the monstrosity they’re constructing before the bill is hurriedly voted on and signed into law by President Donald Trump, it could well cause riots. After all, according to recent polling, only 17 percent of the American people surveyed said they approved of the bill as it currently stands.
The fact is that Republicans are willing to destroy the health and financial security of millions of Americans so they can give massive tax cuts to Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner and others like them who are lucky enough to be vastly wealthy. This is their first real chance to enact permanent tax cuts since 1986. (This Vox article explains why that is.) Republicans have been chasing this dream a very long time. It is their white whale, so important that even the prospect of millions of people suffering and going bankrupt is not enough to make them think better of it. They are willing to hold hands, jump over a cliff and commit political suicide for it.
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is insistent that senators get this hugely unpopular piece of legislation done as quickly as possible, preferably before the Fourth of July recess when they might have to go home and face their desperate and horrified constituents. The Wall Street Journal reported Monday evening that McConnell plans to release the text later this week, then have the Congressional Budget Office release its estimate of the cost and the devastation to human lives early next week — which would be followed by an immediate vote and then a quick getaway. This is presumably so Republican lawmakers can spend the holiday counting up all the money they’ve just voted to give themselves and their rich friends.
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Node
Knowflake Posts: 2792
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2017 02:14 PM
Why Republicans are still desperate to pass a health bill absurdly quicklyIP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4470
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 20, 2017 02:19 PM
Whose memory is faulty??
The Democratic leadership, fearful that momentum for Obamacare was fading as it continued to poll poorly, decided to rush a bill through the Senate before Christmas 2009. On November 18, Majority Leader Harry Reid merged two separate pending bills into a bill to be voted on by the Senate…. To meet the self-imposed Christmas deadline, Reid provided only six days for debate [on the final version of the bill]. The Senate bill passed on a strict party line vote, 60-39.
Few people, including Senators and their staffs, had time to read the whole 2,700 page bill, much less note any possible weaknesses, flaws, or ambiguities. Reid and other Senate Democrats weren’t terribly worried about this. The bill was set to go to the House, then back to the Senate, then to “reconciliation” between the House and the Senate versions, and then to the president for his signature. Everyone thought there would be plenty of opportunities to make changes.
This^ was considered diabolical (and it was underhanded tho speedreaders could have dealt with the constraints)and the caterwauling by people on this very thread went on ad nauseam. Yet it pales in comparison to the stonewalling going on in todays Senate. IP: Logged |
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