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Dhyana
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posted November 10, 2020 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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In MI alone there are now 131 witnesses who have signed affidavits willing to testify to flagrant violations.

http://twitter.com/KMCRadio/status/1326239893073387524


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SecretGeek
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posted November 10, 2020 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
http://twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1325905403163471872

What is important to understand about conservatives, is there are at least two factions.

One likes war and the other likes peace.

Don't confuse the peaceful ones with the others.

It's obvious which ones are which if they make a public statement against Trump.

Trump is for peace.

He believes in a strong military to keep peace.

He inherited a weak military and beefed it up with $1T.

One trillion dollars.

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posted November 11, 2020 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
You have a quarter of a million people dead already. How strong do you think your economy will be with a drastically decimated population?

I believe there were covid deaths, but I am struggling to believe a quarter of million people are dead due to Covid. Every year, you have people dying of all sorts of things (cancer, diabetes, stroke, high blood pressure, etc), however this year, some of them happened to have Covid in their bodies and their death was ruled as Covid death.

If there was truly an EXTRA 250 thousand people dead of Covid alone, in addition to the usual cancer, stroke, diabetes, etc other deaths, our cemetaries would be overflowing, and I have not heard it happening, and our morgues would be overwhelmed, and I have not seen that happen nationwide either.

Yes, back in April, there were reports of these businesses being overwhelmed, but funny, no more such reports after April, even as as the pile of dead Covid bodies has been seemingly getting higher.

I mean, someone please tell me, how did the US manage to dispose so well of 1/4 of million extra dead people? Someone? Anyone?

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted November 11, 2020 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
I believe there were covid deaths, but I am struggling to believe a quarter of million people are dead due to Covid. Every year, you have people dying of all sorts of things (cancer, diabetes, stroke, high blood pressure, etc), however this year, some of them happened to have Covid in their bodies and their death was ruled as Covid death.

If there was truly an EXTRA 250 thousand people dead of Covid alone, in addition to the usual cancer, stroke, diabetes, etc other deaths, our cemetaries would be overflowing, and I have not heard it happening, and our morgues would be overwhelmed, and I have not seen that happen nationwide either.

Yes, back in April, there were reports of these businesses being overwhelmed, but funny, no more such reports after April, even as as the pile of dead Covid bodies has been seemingly getting higher.

I mean, someone please tell me, how did the US manage to dispose so well of 1/4 of million extra dead people? Someone? Anyone?



The CDC reported nearly 3 million deaths in the USA from all causes in 2018.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm

I didn't say the quarter of a million deaths from COVID-19 were extra.

It's been widely advised that people whose health is at risk already due to health conditions or age are at a higher risk of mortality from COVID-19 than the general population. That doesn't mean extra deaths necessarily, however it means people who were managing their conditions and continuing to live despite their health conditions can become seriously ill and die from COVID-19, when otherwise they may have survived for longer. Similar to when someone on immunosuppressant drugs for cancer "dies" from a cold. Sure they have cancer, and no immune system, but they weren't dead until the cold created an addition load on their system.

With an increase in dead, you would expect a corresponding increase in hospital admissions, which I can confirm is true, at least in Scotland. My son works in a hospital.

Perhaps a better way to phrase it would be to say COVID-19 reduces the life expectancy of certain groups and people are dying sooner.

ETA: Who is it you believe is overinflating the numbers, the WHO or US authorities whom the WHO states are reporting the numbers to them?

And why do you think the WHO or the US authorities would falsify these numbers?

I'm not arguing that the numbers are correct, I am genuinely curious as to what you think is actually going on, if these numbers are being deliberately exaggerated.

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posted November 11, 2020 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<< If there was truly an EXTRA 250 thousand people dead of Covid alone, in addition to the usual cancer, stroke, diabetes, etc other deaths, our cemetaries would be overflowing, and I have not heard it happening, and our morgues would be overwhelmed, and I have not seen that happen nationwide either. >>

Have you seen the El-Paso Situation? 6 Mobile Morgues are already full. This happened in New York throughout April, May, June.
Emergency Refrigerated Trucks were used by the ton. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-morgue-autopsy-funeral/2020/03/27/7d345478-7057-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html

I think Electric Crematoriums also helped manage the extra load in many cities.

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jwhop
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posted November 11, 2020 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Have you seen the El-Paso Situation? 6 Mobile Morgues are already full. This happened in New York throughout April, May, June.
Emergency Refrigerated Trucks were used by the ton."

Yeah, and we know why.

Democrat Governors
Cuomo
Murphy
Whitless

Sent covid 19 positive patients into elderly care centers and killed 10s of thousands of the most vulnerable Americans. This, after Trump built covid care hospitals they hardly used..or didn't use at all. They should be prosecuted, convicted and spend the rest of their lives in a federal prison. Democrats, all of them.

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teasel
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posted November 11, 2020 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SecretGeek:
What is important to understand about conservatives, is there are at least two factions.

One likes war and the other likes peace.

Don't confuse the peaceful ones with the others.

It's obvious which ones are which if they make a public statement against Trump.

Trump is for peace.

He believes in a strong military to keep peace.

He inherited a weak military and beefed it up with $1T.

One trillion dollars.


Trump isn’t for peace. He encouraged his supporters to take guns and cause trouble at BLM protests. He supported a teenage murderer. He incites violence.

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teasel
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posted November 11, 2020 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Have you seen the El-Paso Situation? 6 Mobile Morgues are already full. This happened in New York throughout April, May, June.
Emergency Refrigerated Trucks were used by the ton."

Yeah, and we know why.

Democrat Governors
Cuomo
Murphy
Whitless

Sent covid 19 positive patients into elderly care centers and killed 10s of thousands of the most vulnerable Americans. This, after Trump built covid care hospitals they hardly used..or didn't use at all. They should be prosecuted, convicted and spend the rest of their lives in a federal prison. Democrats, all of them.


No. That isn’t that cause this time, and wasn’t the only cause last time. We had over 130,000 new cases in twenty-four hours.

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jwhop
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posted November 11, 2020 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Trump isn’t for peace. He encouraged his supporters to take guns and cause trouble at BLM protests. He supported a teenage murderer. He incites violence."

Show the proof for your nonsense.

I'll keep reminding you...until you do so.

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teasel
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posted November 11, 2020 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
I believe there were covid deaths, but I am struggling to believe a quarter of million people are dead due to Covid. Every year, you have people dying of all sorts of things (cancer, diabetes, stroke, high blood pressure, etc), however this year, some of them happened to have Covid in their bodies and their death was ruled as Covid death.

If there was truly an EXTRA 250 thousand people dead of Covid alone, in addition to the usual cancer, stroke, diabetes, etc other deaths, our cemetaries would be overflowing, and I have not heard it happening, and our morgues would be overwhelmed, and I have not seen that happen nationwide either.

Yes, back in April, there were reports of these businesses being overwhelmed, but funny, no more such reports after April, even as as the pile of dead Covid bodies has been seemingly getting higher.

I mean, someone please tell me, how did the US manage to dispose so well of 1/4 of million extra dead people? Someone? Anyone?


We were also warned that covid deaths were likely under-reported, because a lot of people can’t afford to go to the hospital, or were avoiding them, thinking they would be okay.

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posted November 11, 2020 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Trump isn’t for peace. He encouraged his supporters to take guns and cause trouble at BLM protests. He supported a teenage murderer. He incites violence."

Show the proof for your nonsense.

I'll keep reminding you...until you do so.


The proof is in his press conferences, his own comments, his twitter account...

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posted November 11, 2020 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
The proof is in his press conferences, his own comments, his twitter account...

Prove it.

Post comments from Trump urging supporters to take guns to the street, rallies or confrontations with Antifa and BLM thugs.

Show it...or drop the lies.

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posted November 11, 2020 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He just fired the secretary of defense didn't he? For refusing to shoot the public when commanded. What else proof do you need?

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posted November 11, 2020 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Senate Race in ALASKA

quote:
ICYMI: Republican @DanSullivan_AK
has defeated Democrat @DrAlGrossAK
in Alaska, putting the balance of power at 50 GOP, 48 DEM.

http://twitter.com/PPDNews/status/1326566041359675394

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posted November 11, 2020 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"No. That isn’t that cause this time, and wasn’t the only cause last time. We had over 130,000 new cases in twenty-four hours."

Idiotic!

Cases result from testing.
Cases aren't deaths.

Cuomo, Murphy and Whitless are directly responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths.

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posted November 11, 2020 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
He just fired the secretary of defense didn't he? For refusing to shoot the public when commanded. What else proof do you need?

More blithering blathering bullshiite.

Trump never ordered anyone to go out and shoot protesters.

Never tell the truth when you can lie through your teeth. Right Pheonix?

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posted November 11, 2020 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"No. That isn’t that cause this time, and wasn’t the only cause last time. We had over 130,000 new cases in twenty-four hours."

Idiotic!

Cases result from testing.
Cases aren't deaths.

Cuomo, Murphy and Whitless are directly responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths.


You really sound like an idiot - and hey, it’s within the forum rules for me to tell you so. Cases are widespread, because a lot of people don’t give a **** . It isn’t only because of testing. I saw a conspiracy theorist on Facebook, who has at least been on the side of wearing a mask. She said her sister and BIL were seriously ill, and they aren’t totally fine now. She was asking people to take this seriously.

Ugh, you rarely get to me, but I’m not in the mood to deal with you tonight.

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posted November 11, 2020 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Galactic, thank you for defending me in one of these threads. I saw it, and didn’t get back to say that.

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posted November 11, 2020 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
You really sound like an idiot - and hey, it’s within the forum rules for me to tell you so. Cases are widespread, because a lot of people don’t give a **** . It isn’t only because of testing. I saw a conspiracy theorist on Facebook, who has at least been on the side of wearing a mask. She said her sister and BIL were seriously ill, and they aren’t totally fine now. She was asking people to take this seriously.

Ugh, you rarely get to me, but I’m not in the mood to deal with you tonight.


'Cases are found by TESTING.
'Cases' result in deaths for only a very small percentage of 'Cases'.

For those under 69, more than 99+% either aren't ill at all or recover.

CDC Data Shows High Virus Survival Rate: 99%-Plus for Ages 69 and Younger, 94.6% for Older***NOTE*** This doesn't mean if you're older than 69 you only have a survival rate of 94.6%. It means if you're older than 69 and GET INFECTED WITH COVID 19 YOU HAVE A 94.6% SURVIVAL RATE.***

Your ignorance is shocking..to the point of idiocy.

You've had more than 7 months to inform yourself about a subject you constantly harp on and you haven't gotten there yet.

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posted November 11, 2020 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good lord, you speak like a quack. There are children less than 10 who have died from CV complications.

The mad emperor did not command Mark to shoot . Not just yet. But Mark refused to if the need arises.

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posted November 11, 2020 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
according to the CDC (if you place any faith in their numbers) ...
http://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fcases-in-us.html#demographics

700,360 Americans under the age of 18 have tested positive.

Of that number, there are 113 recorded deaths.

.016% is an exceedingly low percentage

Given media hysterics, I assumed much higher before checking

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teasel
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posted November 11, 2020 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://twitter.com/benleemusic/status/1326715728561491969?s=21

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posted November 11, 2020 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any evidence about this Esper "shooting the public" claim?

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posted November 11, 2020 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still say Breathing Tornados was his best, but Ketchum will forever be my favorite Ben Lee song.

Don't really look to him for political advice tho. Tbh don't look to anyone who supports authoritarianism for their political commentary.

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posted November 12, 2020 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
<< If there was truly an EXTRA 250 thousand people dead of Covid alone, in addition to the usual cancer, stroke, diabetes, etc other deaths, our cemetaries would be overflowing, and I have not heard it happening, and our morgues would be overwhelmed, and I have not seen that happen nationwide either. >>

Have you seen the El-Paso Situation? 6 Mobile Morgues are already full. This happened in New York throughout April, May, June.
Emergency Refrigerated Trucks were used by the ton. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/cor onavirus-morgue-autopsy-funeral/2020/03/27/7d345478-7057-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html

I think Electric Crematoriums also helped manage the extra load in many cities.


The links are to articles that were written back in March.

As I said previously, I have not seen any articles mentioning after April 2020 that the funeral business has been overwhelmed with 250,000 extra deaths.

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