posted November 12, 2020 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
The CDC reported nearly 3 million deaths in the USA from all causes in 2018.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm I didn't say the quarter of a million deaths from COVID-19 were extra.
It's been widely advised that people whose health is at risk already due to health conditions or age are at a higher risk of mortality from COVID-19 than the general population. That doesn't mean extra deaths necessarily, however it means people who were managing their conditions and continuing to live despite their health conditions can become seriously ill and die from COVID-19, when otherwise they may have survived for longer. Similar to when someone on immunosuppressant drugs for cancer "dies" from a cold. Sure they have cancer, and no immune system, but they weren't dead until the cold created an addition load on their system.
With an increase in dead, you would expect a corresponding increase in hospital admissions, which I can confirm is true, at least in Scotland. My son works in a hospital.
Perhaps a better way to phrase it would be to say COVID-19 reduces the life expectancy of certain groups and people are dying sooner.
ETA: Who is it you believe is overinflating the numbers, the WHO or US authorities whom the WHO states are reporting the numbers to them?
And why do you think the WHO or the US authorities would falsify these numbers?
I'm not arguing that the numbers are correct, I am genuinely curious as to what you think is actually going on, if these numbers are being deliberately exaggerated.
1) I do believe there is a combination of financial incentives (hospitals being paid more for coding deaths as Covid related), a deliberate partisan decision to inflate deaths and blame them on DT (forgetting that early on he had to defend his decision to close flights from China) . The other factor, is the push by the pharmaceutical industrial complex that benefits from sickness to frighten people. And this push is being done worldwide.
But you can dismiss my points as conspiracy theory, and that's ok.
2) To answer your other question, in terms of extra deaths, note that, we are still in 2020, where deaths of other causes are not clearly being ascertained. It takes about 2 years before we have accurate mortality data on a particular disease. For instance, it's 2020, and the figures for 2019 cancer deaths are STILL estimations: 606,880 cancer deaths.
https://www.cancer.org/research/cancer-facts-statistics/all-cancer-facts-figures/cancer-facts-figures-2019.html
Same for Diabetes death, cardiovascular deaths.
Yet somehow, the medical establishment claims it has an accurate number of Covid deaths. Why is that?
2 years from now, when the statisticians will compare and average the USUAL deaths by cancer, diabetes, cardiovascular and all other USUAL yearly deaths, they will be able to substract from it the total amount of deaths for 2020 and that is when we will have a more accurate idea of how many people really died by Covid.
3) But the question still remains? If 250,000 people are dead that would have otherwise been alive, how has the funeral business been able to process such a high number of death without being overwhelmed? I am unable to find any article after April, even though the body counts seemingly is getting higher.
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posted November 12, 2020 10:39 AM
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