posted January 11, 2021 07:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Nah, he actually says what he believes. I don’t think his goal is to make anyone mad or to feel superior to others. But I was making a point by diagnosing AG.

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Having been on the receiving end of Dumuzi (who is female btw), I find her antagonistic and I'm not alone. I'm not seeing any of that from AG here, but I don't know the history. Other than there is bad blood between you.

Regardless, everyone is due a fair trial, no?

posted January 11, 2021 08:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Liberals like to think they can diagnose people they have never met. Even licensed professionals cannot do so. He's just trying to p*ss you off, because it makes him feel superior.

He and I are not alike. I went to law school not to feel superior, and I don't think I am better than anyone else. I went so I could have access to the courts, and to be able to defend those who can't defend themselves, protect the weak, and fight the bullies who take advantage of those who don't know their rights. And let me clear--these bullies very often are on the right.

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yeah i remember you mentioning why yoi've gotten into law in past threads, admirable reasons

he'll have to work harder to **** me off, as is i can't even take it personally

which is fine he just reminds me of those people who call themselves empaths because they just believe themselves about what they decide someone else feels 🤣

@voix

show me where i've diagnosed anyone with anything, you can't 🤷‍♀️ also not trying to **** anyone off (nice projection) i'm just speaking my mind same as anyone

these are touchy subjects and if i happen to **** someone off i'm fine with it, but that's not my intent in speaking

now i've never "attacked" you, we had a disagreement one where i apologized for responding harshly for the thing i thought i was wrong about

but that wasnt a disagreement i instigated with you, i was being real with someone else about the unhinged hateful **** they were saying (which was nothing new and i wont mention names here)

it's cool if you're unforgiving and want to hold onto it, but carrying it everywhere with you and applying it to all situations even with other people is absolutely ridiculous

that was a month ago anyway, and you weren't even 100% right you just protect toxic ******** when you just seem to have personal bias towards the person

and that's on you, not me, and it isn't relevant here 🤷‍♀️

posted January 11, 2021 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Being antagonistic will naturally lead to reactions. My impression is that she finds the drama fulfilling in some way. My mother regularly creates drama through antagonising others, so I recognise the behaviour. Although the motives behind behaving in this way will likely differ.

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your impression is wrong i gave my views in this thread about divisive false narratives separating others and stand by that, if you see that as me intentionally looking for drama that's on you

posted January 11, 2021 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
your impression is wrong i gave my views in this thread about divisive false narratives separating others and stand by that, if you see that as me intentionally looking for drama that's on you

don't put your mommy issues on me though it's weird

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Look, I try not to hold onto anything, the only person which that inconveniences is me, but if I see someone getting called out for their reaction when that reaction has been toward someone who has a track record of being antagonistic, it is the right thing to point this out. You have been antagonistic across all forums in LL, it has not gone unnoticed. You are bold because you appear have the support of the webmaster, but that doesn't make you correct. And if it comes down to it, I'll hang up my moderator's hat if there is no equality in the moderation of LL.

No 'mommy issues' here Dumuzi, I believe in, and have worked hard to, learn from my experiences.

posted January 11, 2021 08:57 AM            

touchy subjects can get people emotional but shutting up and staying silent would make little sense

you dislike my views, that's fine, but they don't exist because of how they can make other people feel or the reactions they get

i didn't remind iq of the invisible illness factor to cop shootings or the fact that white people (men in particular, regardless of race btw) are the higher body count to stir drama

i did it because the idea that only blacks get killed by cops is false and dividing people by race further with false facts is a net negative

and i got accused of being a white supremacist for it 🤷‍♀️

i'm as entitled to my views as anyone else here even if you dislike them

posted January 11, 2021 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Look, I try not to hold onto anything, the only person which that inconveniences is me, but if I see someone getting called out for their reaction when that reaction has been toward someone who has a track record of being antagonistic, it is the right thing to point this out. You have been antagonistic across all forums in LL, it has not gone unnoticed. You are bold because you appear have the support of the webmaster, but that doesn't make you correct. And if it comes down to it, I'll hang up my moderator's hat if there is no equality in the moderation of LL.

No 'mommy issues' here Dumuzi, I believe in, and have worked hard to, learn from my experiences.

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i don't need someone else's support to speak my mind, why would i? when i first started speaking in this thread i had no support that didn't stop me from sharing my views

yes i have had disagreements with people here in the past, this happens in spaces where a lot of personalities are brought together by a very broad interest

however show me where in this thread i've done anything worthy of moderation

i shared statistics and my views and havent personally attacked anyone

if you let things go like you say you do then you wouldnt bring up the past yet here you are

there are people here who i do get along with, cant please everyone though and that's just life

i dont see you telling iq that wild accusations like calling me a white supremacist are not acceptable, and in the thread you and i argued in you were openly allowing unhinged hate speech so if you want to speak on equality and fairness perhaps consider what you do allow while you focus on me

youre willing to turn a blind eye to things said to me but take your personal past issues with me to the table unwarranted

posted January 11, 2021 09:10 AM            

it's absolute bias hypocrisy coupled with a lot of projection about my internal workings

posted January 11, 2021 10:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i don't need someone else's support to speak my mind, why would i? when i first started speaking in this thread i had no support that didn't stop me from sharing my views

yes i have had disagreements with people here in the past, this happens in spaces where a lot of personalities are brought together by a very broad interest

however show me where in this thread i've done anything worthy of moderation

i shared statistics and my views and havent personally attacked anyone

if you let things go like you say you do then you wouldnt bring up the past yet here you are

there are people here who i do get along with, cant please everyone though and that's just life

i dont see you telling iq that wild accusations like calling me a white supremacist are not acceptable, and in the thread you and i argued in you were openly allowing unhinged hate speech so if you want to speak on equality and fairness perhaps consider what you do allow while you focus on me

youre willing to turn a blind eye to things said to me but take your personal past issues with me to the table unwarranted

that's blatant bias and you shouldn't exhibit that while speaking about equality

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Read the moderator code of conduct. Moderators are not to challenge other moderators.

My views of you are based on your behaviour across multiple threads in different forums. I'm not playing the game with you. You've put it out there for everyone to see. Other people may turn a blind eye to it because your beliefs align with theirs - I couldn't care less about your beliefs, my issue is with your antagonistic way of conducting yourself.

Remember how 'beautiful' you thought the rioting at the Capitol was because in your opinion it picked a better target than the BLM protests? I think you'll find you are alone in thinking anything about this violence was 'beautiful'. To say this is antagonistic. People died Dumuzi. That is just one example of you being antagonistic. Another is in Aquaguy's thread where you continued to force your analysis of his situation on him despite his expressed and clear distress. You getting your point across was more important to you than the distress of a man grieving his mother. THAT is not just antagonistic, but verging on sadistic.

If all you've got are poor justifications for your antagonistic behaviour, save them for someone else. I see you for who you are.

posted January 11, 2021 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Read the moderator code of conduct. Moderators are not to challenge other moderators.

My views of you are based on your behaviour across multiple threads in different forums. I'm not playing the game with you. You've put it out there for everyone to see. Other people may turn a blind eye to it because your beliefs align with theirs - I couldn't care less about your beliefs, my issue is with your antagonistic way of conducting yourself.

Remember how 'beautiful' you thought the rioting at the Capitol was because it picked a better target than the BLM protests? I think you'll find you are alone in thinking anything about this violence was 'beautiful'. To say this is antagonistic. People died Dumuzi. That is just one example of you being antagonistic. Another is in Aquaguy's thread where you continued to force your analysis of his situation on him despite his expressed and clear distress. You getting your point across was more important to you than the distress of a man grieving his mother. THAT is not just antagonistic, but verging on sadistic.

If all you've got are poor justifications for your antagonistic behaviour, save them for someone else. I see you for who you are.

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i didn't ask where your views of me came from, they're irrelevant ultimately

equal unbias treatment is not letting those views cloud your judgment of situations, and you don't do that which is very clear

i can be blunt and tactless and i'm one of the first people to admit it, but that doesn't really mean much, you'll find other people saying different things about me and i've been in other spaces where people would genuinely laugh if you said i'm extremely antagonistic 🤷‍♀️ like i said people have their views and personalities clash

there are many times where people take something i've said in a way it wasn't meant and go off as well, but let's ignore that and push the narrative you'd like

yes people died for their beliefs and to try to defend their ideals and make change in this country, and there is a beautiful quality to that in my view

you may not see the beauty in people being willing to give their all and risk everything for their convictions, but i do, and that's not antagonistic to say

you take it in that manner because that's how you want to see it, but that doesn't equate with intent

even if i'm alone in that view that's fine, ad populum is a logical fallacy anyway so that doesn't make the opposite opinion or view correct

yes i see beauty in things that may seem ugly on the surface when i view what's behind them as pure (and an absolute conviction and belief in ideals is pure whether i agree with the ideals or not, i'm unbias here) if you find that offensive that's not my problem

i also view absolute conviction in regards to religion in the same vein, i find that beautiful as well, is the expression of it always a pretty sight? no, but that's not what's meant

the people who went for the capitol are trying to enact change against a very corrupt system and the people they were coming for are legitimate monsters who harm the masses, and i won't pretend that isn't the case

this country was founded on people who were willing to stand up against the powers that be and challenge them, violently when necessary, and we're given the right in our constitution to challenge those powers (right to bear arms in defense of liberty is in our constitution) when necessary

i think it was only a matter of time before people did just that, and while the price is high for the individuals i don't see that as wrong because it was a move made openly against the target at hand rather than innocents (like the blm riots)

i wasn't going to mention names because his name has no place here in my view, and i think it's wrong that you did

however since you did his mother being dead is no excuse for unhinged hate speech and everyone has problems and issues in their lives and could be grieving or dealing at any given point (not making a show of it doesn't mean it isn't there)

it is not a free pass for hate speech and crazy talk, and the thread was not about his mother and using our problems as a shield for our behavior is not ok

i've been through plenty do you care about that when you target me and ignore others? i don't think you do, and that's fine because you shouldn't bring unrelated things like that to the table to push things in either direction if you're actually being unbias and fair

i told him i was sorry about his mother, but that isn't an excuse to call all women ****** who are using men like him to pay tax money for abortions and liars and so on

and he didn't say those things from a place of pain about his mother, as a matter of fact graham linked a thread from years ago while his mother was alive that was very much the same and you ignored that in favor of coddling him and allowing blatant hate speech towards roughly half the population

yes i was honest with him about the things he was saying and asked him questions to understand his situation better, he reacted defensively due to pain which i didn't take personally, but no i did not just back down and say "this is ok because of something unrelated" because that's not how life works

if you're going to give free passes for trauma then i'm one of the last people whose throats you should jump down and yet here you are

try actually being unbias and fair if you're going to call for it, you just keep giving examples of your inability to do either of those things

posted January 11, 2021 10:57 AM            

show me what i've done in this thread, you can't 🤷‍♀️ simple as that

my disagreements with a handful of other people and your personal views on me as a person do not belong here

you openly encouraged someone's hatred of an entire group of people simply because of something unrelated that happened a week or so before that specific thread

you think it's compassionate to let someone act out and attack people (because i wasnt the only one he attacked in that thread) because they're sad, and that's straight up unacceptable in my view

someone in our lives can die, bad things can happen, that doesn't make lashing out ok we're still responsible for ourselves and you did not hold him accountable and instead had the nerve to tell people who told him his views were wrong (about women all being lying ****** nothing to do with his mother) that it was wrong to challenge the garbage he was spouting

it doesn't do anyone any good to have that sort of behavior encouraged and coddled, he's a grown man with a lot of issues and i was asking him questions trying to find the root of it

you're ignoring all of what went on in that thread because you dislike me, and none of it belongs here anyway

think what you'd like of me, but you don't actually know me and you're projecting motivations that aren't there

i leveled with him and i apologized where i thought i was wrong in my harshness, and tried to understand him for real but you never once acknowledged my questions to him or my apologies

why not? is it because that doesn't fall in line with the "sadist" narrative you're pushing?

posted January 11, 2021 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
you have a personal vendetta against me voix, a mod shouldn't be able to carry personal vendettas around and be so openly bias

show me what i've done in this thread, you can't 🤷‍♀️ simple as that

my disagreements with a handful of other people and your personal views on me as a person do not belong here

you openly encouraged someone's hatred of an entire group of people simply because of something unrelated that happened a week or so before that specific thread

you think it's compassionate to let someone act out and attack people (because i wasnt the only one he attacked in that thread) because they're sad, and that's straight up unacceptable in my view

someone in our lives can die, bad things can happen, that doesn't make lashing out ok we're still responsible for ourselves and you did not hold him accountable and instead had the nerve to tell people who told him his views were wrong (about women all being lying ****** nothing to do with his mother) that it was wrong to challenge the garbage he was spouting

it doesn't do anyone any good to have that sort of behavior encouraged and coddled, he's a grown man with a lot of issues and i was asking him questions trying to find the root of it

you're ignoring all of what went on in that thread because you dislike me, and none of it belongs here anyway

think what you'd like of me, but you don't actually know me and you're projecting motivations that aren't there

i leveled with him and i apologized where i thought i was wrong in my harshness, and tried to understand him for real but you never once acknowledged my questions to him or my apologies

why not? is it because that doesn't fall in line with the "sadist" narrative you're pushing?

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The only issue I have with you Dumuzi is your antagonistic conduct. Although I can see repeating that is getting us no where.

My response to Randall here was not actually about you, it was about fair moderation. When someone has a pattern of antagonising others people learn to expect that from them and react with this in mind. The situation was unbalanced and left me wondering where I should stand as an LL moderator.

And targeting? Don't cry wolf. Where were your morals when you and another member were effectively ganging up on another member who was clearly in distress. You are the proverbial baying wolf in sheep's clothing Dumuzi and I'll be proud to step down from moderation if stating that is a violation of right moderator conduct. Because you're worth it.

posted January 11, 2021 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
The only issue I have with you Dumuzi is your antagonistic conduct. Although I can see repeating that is getting us no where.

My response to Randall here was not actually about you, it was about fair moderation. When someone has a pattern of antagonising others people learn to expect that from them and react with this in mind. The situation was unbalanced and left me wondering where I should stand as an LL moderator.

And targeting? Don't cry wolf. Where were your morals when you and another member were effectively ganging up on another member who was clearly in distress. You are the proverbial baying wolf in sheep's clothing Dumuzi and I'll be proud to step down from moderation if stating that is a violation of right moderator conduct. Because you're worth it.

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since when is apologizing to someone for any harshness, trying to level with them, and asking them questions to better understand where their views come from ganging up on them with someone else? yes i told him his hate speech was uncalled for and reminiscent of people like elliott rodger because i wanted him to have a clear view of what he was sounding like 🤷‍♀️ was it the best time for it? maybe not but it was when he created that thread and said those things

you stand by letting him say hateful **** like that because he was grieving, and yet graham straight out proved to you that it was ongoing

you keep glossing over that

my morality is consistent, i don't expect exceptional treatment and i'm fine with someone else telling me i overstepped when they clearly see all sides of a discussion

you repeatedly seem to be unable to see those things when it comes to me and that's not me crying wolf you're exhibiting that here and you were in other threads

again you're calling me antagonistic and yet that's never my intent, my bluntness and tactlessness can create issues yes but that doesn't mean i'm stirring anything for the **** of it

you've called me a sadist and all kinds of untrue **** here it's pretty clear you personally dislike me, and you're willing to standby and let others take whatever shots they want even when i take none back while calling for some "equality"

anyone can just look at all this and see what i'm saying is accurate about you

when it suits you or you feel some sort of personal emotion towards a person you act in bias ways, both in the person's favor and not

letting that guy lash out like that at multiple people without once correcting him was bias completely, and totally unacceptable behavior on your part because you're supposed to be keeping control

so you want to point as me as a problem while you ignore others saying horrible things and it's sort of funny to me

you just openly said you think i'm worth you being demodded over, if that's not a personal issue i don't know what is

posted January 11, 2021 11:37 AM            

and i find that completely ridiculous

how can you even pretend this isnt just you having personal issues?

you don't have to like me as a human, but notice how you're making accusations and projections and bringing up unrelated things and so on just because what?

randall acknowledged that i was right that acousticguy was showing an awful lot of attention to someone he deemed unworthy of any, big deal

disproportionate reaction in my view, past irrelevant

and you'll follow the rules and not challenge someone making a strong accusation like "white supremacist" towards me then challenge someone else over me and all the while go "it isnt personal"

posted January 11, 2021 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
since when is apologizing to someone for any harshness, trying to level with them, and asking them questions to better understand where their views come from ganging up on them with someone else? yes i told him his hate speech was uncalled for and reminiscent of people like elliott rodger because i wanted him to have a clear view of what he was sounding like 🤷‍♀️ was it the best time for it? maybe not but it was when he created that thread and said those things

you stand by letting him say hateful **** like that because he was grieving, and yet graham straight out proved to you that it was ongoing

you keep glossing over that

my morality is consistent, i don't expect exceptional treatment and i'm fine with someone else telling me i overstepped when they clearly see all sides of a discussion

you repeatedly seem to be unable to see those things when it comes to me and that's not me crying wolf you're exhibiting that here and you were in other threads

again you're calling me antagonistic and yet that's never my intent, my bluntness and tactlessness can create issues yes but that doesn't mean i'm stirring anything for the **** of it

you've called me a sadist and all kinds of untrue **** here it's pretty clear you personally dislike me, and you're willing to standby and let others take whatever shots they want even when i take none back while calling for some "equality"

anyone can just look at all this and see what i'm saying is accurate about you

when it suits you or you feel some sort of personal emotion towards a person you act in bias ways, both in the person's favor and not

letting that guy lash out like that at multiple people without once correcting him was bias completely, and totally unacceptable behavior on your part because you're supposed to be keeping control

so you want to point as me as a problem while you ignore others saying horrible things and it's sort of funny to me

you just openly said you think i'm worth you being demodded over, if that's not a personal issue i don't know what is

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My issue is with your antagonistic conduct across various forums. That's the last time I will say this. Call it what you like. Moderators have to make judgements all the time, and there's always someone who feels persecuted if the judgement is not in their favour. This situation with you is no different.

In the thread in question, Aquaguy was responding from a place of duress. He was the vulnerable party and I was the moderator of that forum. I don't really care if you agree with me on this or not, it was my judgement call. What is ridiculous is that you think I am omnipotent and omnipresent and can see everyone's conduct all the time. I am not long back at LL after months away. Surely I have missed a lot. Although long enough to get a handle on your conduct, it's so obvious. So sorry, it is not bias. When I see an issue that I feel requires moderation, I act. I can't act if I don't see it.

Stop manipulating my words Dumuzi. I said:

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You are the proverbial baying wolf in sheep's clothing Dumuzi and I'll be proud to step down from moderation if stating that is a violation of right moderator conduct. Because you're worth it.

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In other words: If calling out your antagonistic conduct means I am unable to conduct myself appropriately as a moderator, then I will be more than happy to show my commitment to calling out antagonistic behaviour by sacrificing the honour of the role of moderator.

posted January 11, 2021 12:21 PM            

you didn't need to be omnipresent for it, it was handed to you, it's one thing to not know things you can't know it's another thing to say you're unaware of something that was directly brought to your attention

you have been personally attacking me, check all your words, you even put motivations on me that aren't there

i've demonstrated many other qualities and was not being antagonistic in this thread, again you're straight up being dishonest there

i don't really care that you have personal issues with me, but i will say that you bringing them up unnecessarily is a you problem not related to anything i've said here

we can pretend it's relevant today or we can acknowledge personal bias because those are the only 2 options

fact is you turn a blind eye to some things and not to others and that's inherently bias

that's not me crying persecution that's me saying you let one person actively lash out and attack others and spout hate speech while remaining silent and then come at me when i've done nothing of the sort

it's problematic to say the least that you conduct yourself in that manner, even if it wasnt personal i would say as much

posted January 11, 2021 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
I'm not wrong here. Dumuzi can protest all they like. Randall can protest all he likes. As I said, I don't know this person, but who they are is written quite clearly on their communication. If one can read, one can see it.

Think what you like just don't imagine things that are true to be untrue.

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you can think what you'd like of me, but your opinion isn't the sum of me as a person and neither is anything i say on an astrology forum

i've displayed many sides of myself here and anyone who has spoken to me over the time i've been here is aware of that

i know myself at any rate 🤷‍♀️ and the people who matter to me know me well so i'm good with that

like i said to voix, can't please everyone

i know i have a polarizing personality, i've dealt with all sorts of people, most i can do is be 100% me and people can take it or leave it

posted January 11, 2021 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
voix you're being disingenuous here, in the thread in question graham literally linked past hate filled rhetoric to bring it to your attention in a direct response to you to show that the words weren't just coming from a place of grief

you didn't need to be omnipresent for it, it was handed to you, it's one thing to not know things you can't know it's another thing to say you're unaware of something that was directly brought to your attention

you have been personally attacking me, check all your words, you even put motivations on me that aren't there

i've demonstrated many other qualities and was not being antagonistic in this thread, again you're straight up being dishonest there

i don't really care that you have personal issues with me, but i will say that you bringing them up unnecessarily is a you problem not related to anything i've said here

we can pretend it's relevant today or we can acknowledge personal bias because those are the only 2 options

fact is you turn a blind eye to some things and not to others and that's inherently bias

that's not me crying persecution that's me saying you let one person actively lash out and attack others and spout hate speech while remaining silent and then come at me when i've done nothing of the sort

it's problematic to say the least that you conduct yourself in that manner, even if it wasnt personal i would say as much

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I don't require any member to go digging through another member's past threads to push a point on an already distressed individual. I was dealing with the issue in hand and that was you and Graham not backing off when you should have. It was not appropriate to tear into someone who was grieving no matter what they have said in the past. You jumped on someone who was already down and not in anyway attacking you until you jumped on him. If you're big enough to kick a man when he's down, you're big enough to be told to wind your neck in.

Although its interesting that you think it appropriate for Aquaguy to be judged by past conduct and not yourself. This twisting and slithering is why engaging with you is getting increasingly pointless, and I have Jupiter in the 1st house for god's sake.

posted January 11, 2021 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I don't require any member to go digging through another member's past threads to push a point on an already distressed individual. I was dealing with the issue in hand and that was you and Graham not backing off when you should have. It was not appropriate to tear into someone who was grieving no matter what they have said in the past. You jumped on someone who was already down and not in anyway attacking you until you jumped on him. If you're big enough to kick a man when he's down, you're big enough to be told to wind your neck in.

Although its interesting that you think it appropriate for Aquaguy to be judged by past conduct and not yourself. This twisting and slithering is why engaging with you is getting increasingly pointless, and I have Jupiter in the 1st house for god's sake.

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i bring it up to point out your lack of consistent morality judging me for and bringing up the past in an irrelevant manner while disregarding the past in a circumstance where that was relevant

i didn't at all jump down his throat, i called him on his ******** apologized for my initial harshness and then asked him questions to try to understand where he was coming from to see why he was saying the things he said

apologizing to someone for being tactless and trying to reach an understanding while they lash out at you (without giving them back their own behavior in turn) is not jumping down someone's throat

you keep ignoring what actually happened to push this narrative of me being intentionally outright cruel to someone when that wasn't at all the case

i even shared personal things with him (which you also brought up here) to level with him and attempt to show him where i was coming from

like i said you turn a blind eye to hate speech and poor behavior when it suits you and like i said before you can't go "well x happened last week this person gets a free pass" while coming down on someone else assuming what they have no issues? again not making a show of your private life doesn't equate to it being good and making a show of something that happened prior to behaving poorly doesn't mean that poor behavior should be overlooked

no one said you needed to be harsh but you jumped down on everyone else and didn't say a word to him, and grieving or not that sort of thing isn't ok

as a matter of fact you were coddling negative behavior that's likely to leave him very lonely in the future as if he were a child and i just don't agree at all with that

if you see fit to bring up the past where it's irrelevant then you should be fine with bringing it up where it was relevant and you weren't

on top of that i mentioned it simply to point out it wasn't being said from his grief it's just him, nowhere did i say punish past behavior

you just outright said something false knowingly by saying it only stemmed from grief

this is all on you though, i didn't and have not even brought his name into this and wouldn't have if you hadn't

not only is your retelling of the events not what happened, but it proves your hypocrisy further

if my past was ok to bring up why not someone else's? by your logic this is fine no? do you only agree with it when it suits you?

even then i pointed out that you ignored me apologizing to him for what i thought i said wrong and then trying to understand his views better

i even asked questions from a place where i was considering what sort of women he was running into without blaming him at all for his interactions

i straight up said something along the lines of it may be the women he's finding and trying to ask him about them

i told him if he needed to vent his anger he was free to direct it at me as well because i wasnt taking it personally and apologized in spite of everything he lashed out at me with

and now like then you clearly didn't pay attention, as for graham he didn't jump down his throat either

no one did, it was irrational angry behavior towards anyone who disagreed with him (about all women being lying ****** , his words not mine) and none of it had to do with his mother

you're essentially letting me know you didn't even read the **** i said in that thread and were only looking at him getting hysterical, which is stupid on your part and absolutely bias

and yeah i said something back to you when you accused me of lacking empathy just because i wasn't coddling **** behavior and hate speech and you were totally in the wrong for that too 🤷‍♀️

you make personal attacks and misrepresent situations bring up the past and all kinds of **** while hiding behind the guise of someone sympathetic and it's a ******* joke