posted January 07, 2021 07:09 PM            

however that did not happen, because black voters in the primary selected Biden over Bernie (sorry Bernie would have lost), and then heroes like Stacy Abrahms mobilized the black voters to give democrats control in both chambers and the White House

None of this would have happened without the hard work of black people, black people who are descendants of slaves, extremely traumatized, and have been shat on repeatedly by racism and segregation in the US

We owe the black community a debt of gratitude for their strength and resolve, narrowly snatching the US democracy away from the forces of chaos and authoritarianism, which nearly plunged the US into a nihilistic Russia or china like nation with one man control (one man control by a lunatic/moron moreover)

posted January 08, 2021 03:08 AM            

But Black Americans fight bias, police assault, centuries of oppression, disenfranchisement and after all that are ready to give their Blood for USA.

They are an inspiration for Humanity IMHO.

posted January 08, 2021 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Black People are 1000% Patriots.
End of the day, even the most selfless White Patriots have Privilege to escape police brutality etc.

But Black Americans fight bias, police assault, centuries of oppression, disenfranchisement and after all that are ready to give their Blood for USA.

They are an inspiration for Humanity IMHO.

Every month I make it a point to study a bit more from them, from MalcolmX, Mohammed Ali, MLK, Douglass, Maya Angelou etc. For their life mirrors the Life of Indian Muslims suffering Hindutva Nazism today.

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posted January 08, 2021 07:53 AM            

I also want to know the difference in prison sentences for the same crime committed by a White Felon vs Black Felon. You will be amazed once you actually do some Mathematical Research.

I also want to know how many White People have been Lynched by a Bu Blux Bang in Black Hoods versus the number of Black People lynched by Ku Klux Klan wearing White Hoods.

As Maya ANgelou said, once people show you who they are, believe them.

You dear Dumuzi are just a White Supremacist in denial about your bigotry against the genuine suffering of Black People.

This is why this victory is so much sweeter. Empowered Blacks voted out the Klan Leader.

Your ilk will never have power again in USA, mark my words. Watch the Stacey Abramization of the Democratic Election Machine in the next 24 months.

posted January 08, 2021 08:39 AM            

however i am aware of statistics and unarmed people shot by cops are most frequently white and largely mentally ill (regardless of race)

when it comes to the black statistics it's disproportionate to the black population but it isnt higher than the amount of white people killed

the media doesnt cover every crime they push a narrative, but read the actual numbers man

just because im not shoving my head up black people's ***** with propaganda doesnt mean im against them, i personally care very little about race

it's ******* beyond stupid how people will act like everyone is either white or black, forget everyone in between exists and then acts like that in and of itself isnt a race issue

posted January 08, 2021 08:51 AM            

As for most victims of police violence being mentally ill, that is outright discrimination in and of itself and no better than racism. People who are mentally ill need treatment, not violence and punishment.

The rest of your rambling about iQ proves that wouldn't recognise a light in the darkness if it was blinding you.

posted January 08, 2021 09:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Dumuzi, If more black people per head in the black population are shot by police vs more white people per head in the white population are shot by police, then black people are disproportionately targeted more than white people. Think on your own statement just a little bit longer, you have basically proven that black people are disproportionately shot.

As for most victims of police violence being mentally ill, that is outright discrimination in and of itself and no better than racism. People who are mentally ill need treatment, not violence and punishment.

The rest of your rambling about iQ proves that wouldn't recognise a light in the darkness if it was blinding you.

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i never said it wasnt discrimination that mentally ill people are shot by the cops, my point was that something invisible is the primary factor (who said it was better? my point is it's a factor that goes ignored because race gets focused on)

also let's be real here there's also a disproportionate amount of crime committed so is it discrimination that it happens? i mean let's be real here just being from nyc there are plenty of neighborhoods i would not walk into because i know what i'm risking by doing so, the populations in those are generally a very specific color

just saying

posted January 08, 2021 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i never said it wasnt discrimination that mentally ill people are shot by the cops, my point was that something invisible is the primary factor (who said it was better? my point is it's a factor that goes ignored because race gets focused on)

also let's be real here there's also a disproportionate amount of crime committed so is it discrimination that it happens? i mean let's be real here just being from nyc there are plenty of neighborhoods i would not walk into because i know what i'm risking by doing so, the populations in those are generally a very specific color

just saying

most of these unarmed shooting aren't happening in good neighborhoods and **** either, so you have to look at the whole picture

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If we are looking at the whole picture (always a good idea, but complex to execute) we also have to consider the effect of policies which lead to certain groups being more at risk of poverty, poorer educational outcomes and generational violence. All of these factors are linked to crime. These factors disproportionately affect minority-ethnic groups.

posted January 08, 2021 09:04 AM            

you'll also find that a fair amount of unarmed people who are killed were doing something illegal to begin with, just saying 🤷‍♀️

now i'm not condoning police brutality here but i am making about crime statistics

that being said my views on cops are not particularly pro cop and obviously these shootings (all races) should not be what they are, but when we pretend that there arent other outlying factors or act as if it's only a race issue that's a huge problem

posted January 08, 2021 09:05 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Easy dumuzi, no one has disrespected you nor your opinion. Please show the same refrain. Thanks!!

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posted January 08, 2021 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
and it isnt rambling to point out that race doesn't come down to 2 races or that the idea that anyone who points at statistics is automatically wrong

you'll also find that a fair amount of unarmed people who are killed were doing something illegal to begin with, just saying 🤷‍♀️

now i'm not condoning police brutality here but i am making about crime statistics

that being said my views on cops are not particularly pro cop and obviously these shootings (all races) should not be what they are, but when we pretend that there arent other outlying factors or act as if it's only a race issue that's a huge problem

police brutality is not a race issue it's just a human one

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We almost agree. Yes, I agree that police brutality it is about humanity and mindset, however the police are products of the system in which they are trained.

posted January 08, 2021 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
If we are looking at the whole picture (always a good idea, but complex to execute) we also have to consider the effect of policies which lead to certain groups being more at risk of poverty, poorer educational outcomes and generational violence. All of these factors are linked to crime. These factors disproportionately affect minority-ethnic groups in predominantly white communities.

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point still stands more crimes committed is going to equate with more targeting by cops

i already spoke about economic factors though, touched on that

posted January 08, 2021 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
We almost agree. Yes, I agree that police brutality it is about humanity and mindset, however the police are products of the system in which they are trained.

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sure and they're being trained poorly and armed more heavily which is a terrible combination, but my point still stands that when we act like white people aren't shot by cops we're glossing over a huge issue

police brutality is not strictly a race issue and it needs to stop being treated like one, that mindset and rhetoric causes division amongst people unnecessarily and provides a false narrative

posted January 08, 2021 09:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
point still stands more crimes committed is going to equate with more targeting by cops

i already spoke about economic factors though, touched on that

is it racist for a population that disproportionately commits crimes to be disproportionately shot by cops who are shooting way too many unarmed people to begin with? no, it really isn't... that's my point

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I'm not convinced that black people commit more crimes than white people - show me some research evidence?

However, when a group is marginalised socially, economically and politically, crimes committed in that context are committed under duress.

posted January 08, 2021 09:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
creating unnecessary division keeps people at each other's throats rather than focused on the issue at hand, and in this case implying unarmed white people never get shot by cops when they're the highest in body count is really glossing over ****

it furthers racial tension and is a net negative

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I know what you are saying Dumuzi, and broadly, I agree with you, however the context of white vs black victims has to be taken into consideration.

posted January 08, 2021 09:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I'm not convinced that black people commit more crimes than white people - show me some research evidence?

However, when a group is marginalised socially, economically and politically, crimes committed in that context are committed under duress.

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just google crime statistics by race you'll see most murders are disproportionately black on black crime, that's a good deal of violent crime

sure economics play a factor, that was my point initially that it does not just boil down to race

posted January 08, 2021 09:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I know what you are saying Dumuzi, and broadly, I agree with you, however the context of white vs black victims has to be taken into consideration.

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the context is taken into consideration when we look at disproportionate amounts of crime in populations

my issue is people like iq gloss over the larger issue of police brutality by turning it into a race issue and implying it only happens to blacks, this is not acceptable and it's a lie

just like blueroamer's thread declaring that no one was being harmed at the capitol during the protests when white people did get killed and a white lady was shot and confirmed dead at the time of that thread being posted

all the while claiming there were no deaths because these people were white

this is harmful, it's damaging and it makes people enemies of each other

posted January 08, 2021 10:55 AM            

They made the right calculation in the primaries to pick the most bulletproof candidate among a large field. Trump confirmed it in his actions that lead to his impeachment.