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Topic: Nice Guys?
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aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted December 05, 2012 11:15 PM
  
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Originally posted by Odette:
And your experiment did not work.She did not date you or sleep with you BEFORE your behaviour.
She did not date you or sleep with you during your behaviour.. and..
She did not date you or sleep with you AFTER your behaviour, when you decided to play the 'nice guy' once again. So... again (as with your last story on the other thread, about the girl you worked with) - where are the ACTUAL results of this behaviour?? If she liked you so much for being a bad boy and was in love -WHY was she never with you? Do you expect me to believe that YOU - the person who was so strongly interested in this girl - rejected her so that you don't hurt her..?
Because this was your story last time^ I am not 18 years old.. and I have Capricorn in my chart - and frankly I do not believe in flying pigs, Ariel the little mermaid..... OR.... your stories.
wrong ... it did work... but being an ass to sleep with her was not the purpose of my experiment.. i'm not that devious.. i could have done that if i wanted to but i didnt ..the purpose was to see if i became more appealing to her by being an ass and it worked. this girl and the girl at work are two different girls lol... you are getting them mixed up... and i really dont care if you believe me or not... it happened regardless.
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aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted December 05, 2012 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Yeah, we don't know enough about the experiment. If AG was telling her he'd meet up with her and ditch her to do something self-destructive (like drinking) then that sends up a red flag, causes concern, begins to wonder who's leading him into making very bad decisions (bad women can mess up a guy this way sometimes), and that would explain her sudden "attraction," not because she was romantically interested in him but because she was concerned FOR him. But I don't think AG understands that men & women can like each other for reasons that aren't sexual or romantic so it would be a natural mistake for him to make. That said, I think the "maternal" women who fall for bad guys are more likely to fall for those who aren't the "bad boys" AG talks about. That is, not a player like AG refers to but instead those guys in retreat from the world (and tend to have poor impulse control, but don't typically cheat, mainly because they're not ambitious enough to do so), maybe one of those "sensitive artists or musicians" (you know, the self-important jerks who can't understand why the world doesn't recognize their non-existent genius and spoil them rotten for it), though some on parole and obviously those who's bad behavior (like drunken driving, fights, etc) can lead the more typical bad boy into such a woman's life. (Back to the Future showed an example of how that could happen, though in that case it was just a harmless peeping tom, but after he fell out of a tree trying to stare into her window she found him, not realizing what he'd been doing, and fell in love with him while helping him recover.) Generally speaking, I think the type of "bad boys" AG is referring to are the type that appeal to women for being "exciting" (and the garbage in all too many romance fics makes her think she can change him so that he doesn't treat HER badly), though there are those women who seek to repeat the abuse they knew in childhood in a subconscious desire to deal with it (or NOT deal with it, I think I recall reading that some girls raised in violent, dysfunctional homes grew into women who liked that because when life wasn't hell then they had time to think and contrast with their childhood which they did not want to do). Of course that's not all women, or even most of them. But I have met a few people who have a remarkable ability to find and hook up with a certain type of person that's amazing in how they do it (and I wish was studied by outside observers more). Such men & women often think the only kind they hook up with is all that there is, of course.
i get what ya'll are saying but it was not the case with her, she was not trying to mother me, she was jealous.... i have seen this mothering behavior you are speaking of, but that happens when guys are addicts or suicidal or something. she thought i was going out and hooking up with women, so what? lots of guys do that... its not really dangerous in and of itself... unless said guy is an idiot and doesnt wear a rubber...
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Odette
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posted December 05, 2012 11:49 PM
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being an ass to sleep with her was not the purpose of my experiment.. i'm not that devious.. i could have done that if i wanted to but i didn't
I believe you. Sometimes I feel like I could've climbed the Everest mountain if I really wanted to... but I just don't because I need my energy for everything else in my life & so I can't be bothered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz6YMrJt7xk
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& Being an ass to experiment on people - rather than being an ass to sleep with them.... is actually NOT more or less devious. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted December 05, 2012 11:51 PM
 PixieJane quote:
I don't think AG understands that men & women can like each other for reasons that aren't sexual or romantic so it would be a natural mistake for him to make.
I don't really think he understands that either. It seems to be the root of the problem. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted December 05, 2012 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
I believe you.Sometimes I feel like I could've climbed the Everest mountain if I really wanted to... but I just don't because I need my energy for everything else in my life & so I can't be bothered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz6YMrJt7xk
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& Being an ass to experiment on people - rather than being an ass to sleep with them.... is actually NOT more or less devious.
i'll agree with that.... thats why i stopped and didnt take it too far... i know it was kinda messed up in sense but can we agree it would have been alot worse if i were still stringing her along to this day? theres lots of guys who do that. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted December 05, 2012 11:57 PM
No. What would make it better is you explaining in an email exactly what you did - and giving her an apology. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted December 05, 2012 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
PixieJane I don't really think he understands that either. It seems to be the root of the problem.
yes i do lol. but ya'll are hell bent determined that she was mothering me , she wasnt ... she was displaying
possessive and jealous behavior.... IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted December 06, 2012 12:00 AM
Ok then she was jealous... so what happened?
Clearly her jealousy or whatever it was - was not enough to get her into a relationship or anything else with you.As far as I understand... you were being a bad boy... she was getting jealous... then at some point, she said she loves you... then you told her you love her back... and she suddenly no longer loved you?? That doesn't even make sense.
Clearly we don't have the whole story. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted December 06, 2012 12:04 AM
And actually I just wanted to say - quite apart from everything else I have posted here... I am completely unable to understand how someone can claim to CARE about another person - and then intentionally go out of their way to hurt this person over and over again for an experiment?I would never do this to anyone.
I don't think this girl has done this to anyone either.
And the bad boys out there - generally don't claim to be in love with or really *care* about their victims. So instead of being a regular nice guy or a bad boy.... now you are more like a whacky scientist running experiments on people he claims he cares about.... for pure research value. :/ *throws up* IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Ok then she was jealous... so what happened?
Clearly her jealousy or whatever it was - was not enough to get her into a relationship or anything else with you.As far as I understand... you were being a bad boy... she was getting jealous... then at some point, she said she loves you... then you told her you love her back... and she suddenly no longer loved you?? That doesn't even make sense.
Clearly we don't have the whole story.
it makes perfect sense.... i was the bad boy and she became interested in me and when i went back to being normal ole me she lost interest because i was no longer unattainable...... IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
And actually I just wanted to say - quite apart from everything else I have posted here... I am completely unable to understand how someone can claim to CARE about another person - and then intentionally go out of their way to hurt this person over and over again for an experiment?I would never do this to anyone.
I don't think this girl has done this to anyone either.
And the bad boys out there - generally don't claim to be in love with or really *care* about their victims. So instead of being a regular nice guy or a bad boy.... now you are more like a whacky scientist running experiments on people he claims he cares about.... for pure research value. :/ *throws up*
ahh but i didnt hurt her.... atleast she never communicated that to me.... we werent together at the time so she didnt think i was cheating. as i said at the time she had put lots of distance between us since she friend zoned me...i simply peaked her interest . girls like that challenge and mystery bs.... theres books on this stuff (pua and game).... these books tell you how to manipulate womens emotions to get them attracted to you... its not just me lol most guys know this stuff. but as i said most guys would abuse this and use it to sleep with women, i never took it that far... soo how am i the bad guy?lolIP: Logged |
Odette
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posted December 06, 2012 12:42 AM
I'll end up on a tangent here... but first of all... sleeping with a woman is NOT harming her.
This one of those traditional/religious views - that shadowbox female sexuality. Women desire sex. They get horn*y and so on... just like men do.
And women enjoy sex - for the physicality of it.
Not everyone out there feels like they need to be in a relationship to have sex - for example (whether they are male or female). On the other hand ------ Being dishonest and playing games with people's minds can waste their time and it can harm them. The act of sex itself - if consensual - does not harm anyone.
It should -hopefully- be an enjoyable physical experience for both people. You really should not need to coerce someone to sleep with you, whether you are a man or a woman.
Either the person is sexually attracted to you - OR - they are not. This is their choice and their prerogative.
And if they are attracted - and you are also attracted - there is nothing wrong with JUST having sex. The books you are talking about are BS.
You saying "everyone knows this" is BS. What everyone *knows* - what most mature people know is that those books go NOWHERE.
I just saw a guy say on FB the other day that the authors of these kinds of books and articles pray on young people for their money...
It's TRUE.
Only YOUNG and INEXPERIENCED people like yourself - would buy such a book or read such an article and believe it. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 4744
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted December 06, 2012 12:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
I'll end up on a tangent here... but first of all... sleeping with a woman is NOT harming her.
This one of those traditional/religious views - that shadowbox female sexuality. Women desire sex. They get horn*y and so on... just like men do.
And women enjoy sex - for the physicality of it.
Not everyone out there feels like they need to be in a relationship to have sex - for example (whether they are male or female). On the other hand ------ Being dishonest and playing games with people's minds can waste their time and it can harm them. The act of sex itself - if consensual - does not harm anyone.
It should -hopefully- be an enjoyable physical experience for both people. You really should not need to coerce someone to sleep with you, whether you are a man or a woman.
Either the person is sexually attracted to you - OR - they are not. This is their choice and their prerogative.
And if they are attracted - and you are also attracted - there is nothing wrong with JUST having sex. The books you are talking about are BS.
You saying "everyone knows this" is BS. What everyone *knows* - what most mature people know is that thoe books go NOWHERE. I just saw a guy say on FB the other day that the authors of these kinds of books and articles pray on young people for
their money...
It's TRUE.
Only YOUNG and INEXPERIENCED people like yourself - would buy such a book or read such an article and believe it.
oh good grief? how did this get changed to womens sexuality... i never said
women dont like sex or sex hurts them...
you were demonizing me for my little experiment and i explained to you that i didnt use it to manipulate her into having sex, which i could have!! but now you are accusing me of saying women dont like sex or it hurts them... thats not what i said... not even remotely close.... i was saying im against manipulating women into sex, but im the bad guy... and btw that stuff is real ..all the bad boy players are naturals at this stuff and some have passed it onto the rest of us.... lots of men are playing women like fiddles using this stuff....heck even i was!!! but i stopped before i took things too far. believe it or not, lots of guys are either.naturals at this stuff or they learn it from books/workshops. i dabbled in it but never took it too far. i'm with you , it shouldnt be this way but men are doing it and women are falling for it.
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aquaguy91
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posted December 06, 2012 01:13 AM
i'll agree that the advertisements for the pua /game programs are misleading..they are misleading because they tell you that you can obtain a good relationship using this stuff, you can't..
how on earth could you possibly have a healthy relationship by playing games? however you can get casual hookups in gobs with this stuff..just look at society ... lots of people playing games and hooking up but few people find healthy lasting relationships.
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somethingexcellent
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posted December 06, 2012 01:15 AM
lordy loo more to come...IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted December 06, 2012 01:17 AM
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You are SO full of shi*t
LMAO! I  U quote:
I don't really think he understands that either. It seems to be the root of the problem.
I've tried talking to him about it myself! I've given response after response and it all just leads in circles! I got nowhere, you're getting nowhere... IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted December 06, 2012 01:24 AM
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i explained to you that i didnt use it to manipulate her into having sex,
You say this… and ALL I read is: “I did not use it to manipulate her into both of us having a nice large chocolate cake together…… I simply used it to manipulate her for research” And apparently THIS is makes it all –better-…. *shrug* I’m lost… As if having sex at the end of the tunnel - is the negative thing here. Manipulating people in the first place FOR ANY reason – sex or otherwise… is what is negative.
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i never said
women dont like sex or sex hurts them...
But what you did say....... "i did not use it to manipulate her into having sex" - IMPLIES that sex is negative for women.
Because as I just said above... you wouldn't say "I didn't not use this to manipulate person X - to have a LARGE chocolate-tiramisu cake with me @the best cake shop in town!" IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted December 06, 2012 01:24 AM
*waves* @ Scorpy!IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted December 06, 2012 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
You say this… and ALL I read is:“I did not use it to manipulate her into both of us having a nice large chocolate cake…… I simply used it to manipulate her for research” And apparently THIS is makes it all –better-…. *shrug* I’m lost… As if having sex at the end of the tunnel - is the negative thing here. Manipulating people in the first place FOR ANY reason – sex or otherwise… is what is negative.
odette honey... you are missing the point ... i did dabble in that stuff yes and i found out it worked....however i did not like using it so i dont use it any more.. you are trying to paint me as the ******* when there are tons of guys using those tactics to bed women(they are called players),i never took it that far. what is soo hard to understand about this?
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Odette
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posted December 06, 2012 01:34 AM
WHO cares that they bed women?
I sure as hell don't.If they were manipulating people in order to get these people to stand on their heads singing a crappy Britney Spears song - it would still bother me on principle. This is what you don't seem to understand. Screw*ing with people's heads is a negative thing in principle.
It doesn't matter if you sleep with her afterwards or not. Not having slept with her does not make it better. If anything it makes it worse... because at least the sex could've been enjoyable for her - as opposed to the rest of your sh*itty behaviour. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted December 06, 2012 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
But what you did say....... "i did not use it to manipulate her into having sex" - IMPLIES that sex is negative for women.Because as I just said above... you wouldn't say "I didn't not use this to manipulate p erson X - to have a LARGE chocolate-tiramisu cake with me @the best cake shop in town!"
uggh i realize that its wrong ok lol...and i'm not saying sex is a bad thing... manipulating someone into sex is.... can we,agree on that.... players manipulate and push womens buttons to generate attraction....attraction that wouldnt be there otherwise....do you understand what i'm saying now? again sex is good, but sex gotten through deceit game playing isnt right...
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Odette
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posted December 06, 2012 01:43 AM
Manipulating anyone into doing anything they do not want to do - is wrong.
Manipulating anyone in general... by simply playing a mind-game and wasting their time getting their attention for non-existent situations, as you did... is also wrong. quote:
again sex is good, but sex gotten through deceit game playing isnt right...
I agree with that - BUT... what I do not agree with is that you are trying to say that because you did not have sex... this is somehow a badge of honour. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted December 06, 2012 01:44 AM
aquaguy; I don't know what to tell you honestly. You've deflected everyone's attempts to educate you.I'm going to be real honest: I think your combination of cynicism/bitterness as well as lack of charisma just...your personality leaves you as unattractive. Like, is there anything special about you? Anything noteworthy? You're "marriage material"...okay, that's good, but as a person, is that as far as you go? As far as I've seen on this board, you just seem...vanilla, with a tendency to whine about your issues. I'm really not trying to be mean this time, and you know I could try! IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
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posted December 06, 2012 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
WHO cares that they bed women?
I sure as hell don't.If they were manipulating people in order to get these people to stand on their heads singing a crappy Britney Spears song - it would still bother me on principle. This is what you don't seem to understand. Screw*ing with people's heads is a negative thing in principle.
It doesn't matter if you sleep with her afterwards or not. Not having slept with her does not make it better. If anything it makes it worse... because at least the sex could've been enjoyable for her - as opposed to the rest of your sh*itty behaviour.
omfg! yea i get that **** !!!!!!!! for the last time i get it!!!! it was wrong.. i've admitted it several times and clearly stated i stopped!!! whats sooo hard to understand it about that????? my only point was that i stopped before i took it too far, again i'm not saying what i did wasnt wrong to begin with but i could have taken it farther, but i stopped...do ya get it now? again.... just in case i havent made myself abundantly clear... i realize that what i did was wrong and i stopped, but it could have been worse ... understand now?
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RedScorp
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posted December 06, 2012 01:48 AM
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i realize that what i did was wrong and i stopped, but it could have been worse
This is exactly what I'm talking about deflecting everyone's attempts to help you out. IP: Logged |
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