posted April 10, 2013 09:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have not read the whole thread but to support Aquaguy. It is very hard to be a Christian in today's climate. We can be dissed, talked trash to and about and no one thinks anything about it. Other groups kill you when you talk trash about them.

People who are new age think they are so cool and hip when they come out with socially ACCEPTED things. What personal risk is in that? Nothing.

The truly strong and courageous person is someone like Aquaguy who goes against the flow of what is accepted by the norm and the norm sucks right now

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Also the topic has no connection to christians only to women.

posted April 10, 2013 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
Excuse me, but I'd rather wear something closer to the boys dress code (except for the buzz cut). Why do you think that girls have to wear skirts or dresses anyway? They are a pain in the ass and uncomfortable and and restrictive. Especially for a young active girl. I can't remember the last time I wore one.

That's very outdated thinking to say the least.

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I went to school wearing an academic gown. My school is over 570 years old, and is one of the best in the world. Sometimes, what is antiquated is time tested and works well.

posted April 10, 2013 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Oh wait, i lived in such times - known as "the communist period". In terms of dressing conduct - you would have fit perfectly in those times YTA. ^^

Here's a parody commercial, a bit exaggerated but not far from the reality of those times: -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BsN9BKoFI

Communism ended when i was 6.5 years old - but i did caught some of that period and the "obligatory" dressing codes.

This was uniform was required for kindergarten:

Those uniforms were part of a lesson in terms of "discipline" but also "oppression".

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I grew up attending school under the educational system of a G7 Western market democracy, and one of the richest countries in the world. The country also has some of the world's best universities.

My shoes were shined perfectly every day. My shirts were starched and press. I addressed all males as "Sir" and all females as "Lady."

Order and discipline works.

posted April 10, 2013 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I grew up attending school under the educational system of a G7 Western market democracy, and one of the richest countries in the world. The country also has some of the world's best universities.

My shoes were shined perfectly every day. My shirts were starched and press. I addressed all males as "Sir" and all females as "Lady."

Order and discipline works.

That "oppression" were the foundation of what got me to where I am in life.

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posted April 10, 2013 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I grew up attending school under the educational system of a G7 Western market democracy, and one of the richest countries in the world. The country also has some of the world's best universities.

My shoes were shined perfectly every day. My shirts were starched and press. I addressed all males as "Sir" and all females as "Lady."

Order and discipline works.

That "oppression" were the foundation of what got me to where I am in life.

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Sounds a lot like a military code of conduct (don't think, don't speak unless you're asked a question - always do as you're told, as demanded by your superiors - obey obey obey):

posted April 10, 2013 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I grew up attending school under the educational system of a G7 Western market democracy, and one of the richest countries in the world. The country also has some of the world's best universities.

My shoes were shined perfectly every day. My shirts were starched and press. I addressed all males as "Sir" and all females as "Lady."

Order and discipline works.

That "oppression" were the foundation of what got me to where I am in life.

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Discipline is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

In such a scenario, there is nothing that differentiates, it more or less becomes who can be the best drone in the hive.

To me, that would then lead to being stuck at whatever level the hive assigns and that is the end of it.

Creativity on the other hand, offers far more possibilities.

I do agree about basic skills, when they aren't there then one will be at a very low level in life, however they are merely stepping stones not final destinations.

posted April 10, 2013 02:26 PM            

The school I attended graduated over five dozen kings and princes that I know of, including the crown prince and the two princes of the UK. If discipline and order is good enough for those who otherwise were born with a gold potty to pi$$ in, without any special treatment, it's good enough for everyone else.

You can rebel all you want. That's your choice.

posted April 10, 2013 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I don't expact any of you to agree with me, and in fact I expect disagreement. It is still my perrogative to express my opinion.

The school I attended graduated over five dozen kings and princes that I know of, including the crown prince and the two princes of the UK. If discipline and order is good enough for those who otherwise were born with a gold potty to pi$$ in, without any special treatment, it's good enough for everyone else.

You can rebel all you want. That's your choice.

I thought we were discussing school attire.

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A general statement doesent really mean that its true.

And one shouldnt look at a school by how many members of royalty were in it becuse its an empty criteria....its better to look for the school you believe is best for you.

And well...you started an interesting subject you cant blame others for posting about it

posted April 10, 2013 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:

And well...you started an interesting subject you cant blame others for posting about it

And you are free to speak your mind im sure none here want to shut you up you have some interesting perspectives.

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I'm not here to impose anything.

Of course, if I were Vlad Lenin or Addie Hitler or Kim Jong Mentally Ill, then things would be different.

I said a long time ago that I am different and incompatible with the mindset here. But I continue to venture here out of curiousity and interest.

posted April 10, 2013 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
And one shouldnt look at a school by how many members of royalty were in it becuse its an empty criteria....its better to look for the school you believe is best for you.

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posted April 10, 2013 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I don't expact any of you to agree with me, and in fact I expect disagreement. It is still my perrogative to express my opinion.

The school I attended graduated over five dozen kings and princes that I know of, including the crown prince and the two princes of the UK. If discipline and order is good enough for those who otherwise were born with a gold potty to pi$$ in, without any special treatment, it's good enough for everyone else.

You can rebel all you want. That's your choice.

I thought we were discussing school attire.

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Not really, they are going into set piece situations, they knew what they would do so to speak.

For most else, a chaotic situation or industry is far more desirable as it allows for a chance to advance IF one has both discipline and the creativity to see possibilities and trends before they happen.

posted April 10, 2013 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
Is it good for every person? Does it effect everyone the same way?
Oppression doesent suit all, thats why dictators are hated XD

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posted April 10, 2013 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I'm not here to impose anything.

Of course, if I were Vlad Lenin or Addie Hitler or Kim Jong Mentally Ill, then things would be different.

I said a long time ago that I am different and incompatible with the mindset here. But I continue to venture here out of curiousity and interest.

You don't want to hear many of my views.

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posted April 10, 2013 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:

Who said anything about myself making school choices? Or that it was based on the attendance of royalty? I could give two f- s about who went where. I was sent to the best school my parents saw fit for myself to attend, and I was expected to pull the best possible grades, which I didn't exactly pull all As, but which landed me in one of the best universities. A tradition of success promotes new success, and nothing breeds success like excess.

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posted April 10, 2013 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Sounds a lot like a military code of conduct (don't think, don't speak unless you're asked a question - always do as you're told, as demanded by your superiors - obey obey obey):

That oppression might work for a typical Capricorn (maybe even for a Virgo) - and don't take this the wrong way, but from this community - you seem to be the closest to the general description of a Capricorn. So, maybe that's what you needed - if you see that as a path to happiness - and I'll have to take your word for it on that one (that it made you happy) - cause i can't relate... but (and that's a big BUT), for others... that type of oppression can be damaging, even fatal - if not on the surface, they'll die inside... some would even turn in to real life monsters. At best, they'd chose anarchy... and rebel against oppressors, as it happened in communist countries - like the one i live in. At worst... well, army lifestyle isn't for everyone - and North Korea - seems like a sad place to live in.

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posted April 10, 2013 03:55 PM            

Continuing with my train of thought, with regard to the "quick grope," I also maintain that the root of the problem lies with punishments that are not harsh enough.

I'm not saying that I agree with the degree of punishment, but I certainly believe that American punishments are a joke.

Where I grew up, a "quick grope" would get a person a long prison sentence and strokes of the cane. Punishment is a deterrent to crime. Do I care if someone is going to get whipped. Honestly, I don't. Deal with the rift raft and put them away. I don't grope and I don't rape, and so I shed no tears for those who do.

Where I grew up, they would remove errant boys out of school (I went to only boys' schools my entire childhood) and place them in juvenile detention facilities, akin to juvenile incarceration. If a boy wants to f up his whole academic career, then be my guest. And his parents would also be fully legally liable and subject to civil action and possible criminal action.

The bottom line is hold people accountable for their actions.

posted April 10, 2013 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
So now all of a sudden men who ogle are creeps? because I'm fairly certain every straight man I have ever known ogles. Its amazing how much man bashing goes on on this forum yet sexism against men doesnt exist. But oh wait! I know this game... any hot man ogling is ok and any man caught ogling who the individual woman doesnt find attractive is automatically a creep.

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posted April 10, 2013 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Men can't win

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They can...if they're hot.

posted April 10, 2013 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
They can...if they're hot.

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posted April 10, 2013 10:11 PM            

Without saying men and women are "the same" surely we csn admit both are attracted by others especially in pubescence? So why do the girls hsve to look frumpy but not the boys?