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MetalAphrodite
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posted September 17, 2013 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MetalAphrodite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Define "pigs"? Like what is behavior that "pigs" are often guilty of?

I think anyone, male or female, has the capability of being/emulating what they want.

Is male chauvinism kind of the male equivalent to over the top feminism?

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aquaguy91
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posted September 17, 2013 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lmao. I'm a guy and I have seen it time and time again, guys are never serious when they say that stuff. The way it usually happens is a girl will make a snarky comment about men being pigs or sexist and the guys in the room will play along by saying something a stereotypical pig /sexist would in a joking manner and the women usually take it seriously and get all offended.

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posted September 18, 2013 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
A Taurus man said that to me once. It left me wondering


- was he referring to himself or all men?
- is that more of a taurean trait than other zodiacs?
- how much of what he said is true and what exactly did he mean

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No I think he wanted a reaction from you

Guys don't usually say things like that about them, if they do they are either mentally depressed or just a ruse babe

If a guy tells me ''men are pigs'' I would just smile and say ' if you say so'

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posted September 18, 2013 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are sometimes serious and very pre-planned. It's one of the classic player things to do... to either call himself a jerk (to sound tough and to evade responsibility for his own actions) -- or -- to pretend he is the only nice guy in the world and all the other men are jerks & worse than he is (so you should put up with his sh*t because this is as good as it's gonna get.

It's very typical..
And it is not said in the context you just mentioned where the girl points it out first.
It is usually said in an intimate one-on-one context and the guy is the one to initiate a convo on the topic... since its part of his manipulative BS.

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posted September 18, 2013 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
They are sometimes serious and very pre-planned. It's one of the classic player things to do... to either call himself a jerk (to sound tough and to evade responsibility for his own actions) -- or -- to pretend he is the only nice guy in the world and all the other men are jerks & worse than he is (so you should put up with his sh*t because this is as good as it's gonna get.

It's very typical..
And it is not said in the context you just mentioned where the girl points it out first.
It is usually said in an intimate one-on-one context and the guy is the one to initiate a convo on the topic... since its part of his manipulative BS.



Well that doesn't make much sense lol. If that is true it makes it even more pathetic that women get burned
by douche bags so often. If some men are seriously admitting to their women that they are pigs and have no plans to change the women should dump them. Of course we all know how that goes....

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posted September 18, 2013 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course guys can do that, they often date rape women..
So why wouldn't they be able to play mind games?

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posted September 18, 2013 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Of course guys can do that, they often date rape women..
So why wouldn't they be able to play mind games?


Well if what odette is saying is true, these guys are seriously letting women know that they are douchebags and have no plans to change. Shouldnt that make the solution very simple? Also I have asked this question before and nobody has come close to giving me a satisfactory answer. My question is this, If women are "intuitive" like everyone says they are why are they soo d*mn vulnerable to players and liars? Still waiting for an answer to this.

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posted September 18, 2013 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I don't even know why I asked that question, I already know what ya'lls excuse is going to be. Ya'll are going to say "well, women are ignoring their intuition". I'm sorry but I just don't buy that at all.

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posted September 18, 2013 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kerosene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Idk, who has claimed women are super intuitive?
They can be gullible too, plus there are some really charming guys..

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posted September 18, 2013 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Women are intuitive but they don't trust their intuition ONE reason could be because they are scared of ending up alone.

Not whole female population though.

Once I told a friend of mine ( a guy) about something that was going on in the office involving another guy because I couldn't understand the behaviour of the latter. My friend( who already told me he is a player btw) gave me some good advice about the other guy. Long story short, he told me '' all guys are dogs'' well that was supposed to have sexual connotations, which in my mother tongue is quite funny and of course insulting to guys. BUT am sure he didn't mean HIM, he meant the OTHER guy haha! He is cool,according to him of course!!

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posted September 18, 2013 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If women are "intuitive" like everyone says they are why are they soo d*mn vulnerable to players and liars?

Some are. Some aren't. Exactly like some men are vulnerable to women who treat them badly.

I did answer your question before. It's because they care. They want to heal the other person. Players have low self-esteem and they are basically f-ed (they can't have a normal, fulfilling relationship).
They are emotionally handicapped.. so this is a problem that requires healing.
Some people are just stuck on playing psychologist with others.

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Well if what odette is saying is true, these guys are seriously letting women know that they are douchebags and have no plans to change. Shouldnt that make the solution very simple?

It should... but it depends on the connection the two people involved have - their general physical chemistry and their synastry - their psychological compatibility etc...
If two people have strong chemistry - and one of those people has serious issues (has had a bad childhood or whatever else).. it can be difficult for the other person to simply leave them.

I mean just because someone is a mental head-case or is a player or has a personality disorder - that does not mean they can't have romantic or sexual *chemistry* with another person.
Of course it would be easy to dump some random jerk you are not attracted to. But it's more difficult to dump a jerk who has his Sun exactly conjunct your Mars and his Mars conjunct your Venus and his Pluto opposite your Moon and what not..

It just depends on the connection you have with the other person ^

When this kind of jerky behaviour props up - it should either be discussed (if it's possible...) or the victim of the jerky behaviour should dump the jerk.
I completely agree!

But AG ^ you are insinuating that this should be a very easy decision. It is not always easy...

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posted September 18, 2013 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the Libra girl you liked - lets say you guys were dating now - and she behaved in a way that was mean or jerky.. Do you think you would find it easy to simply dump her and walk away?

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posted September 18, 2013 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I eat like a pig. I like my pork chops, ribs and pulled pork. Does that count?

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posted September 18, 2013 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I eat like a pig. I like my pork chops, ribs and pulled pork. Does that count?

Pig is always welcomed at my house...right next to the spinach salad.

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posted September 18, 2013 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShyVirgo1979     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kerosene:
[b]Of course guys can do that, they often date rape women..
So why wouldn't they be able to play mind games?


Well if what odette is saying is true, these guys are seriously letting women know that they are douchebags and have no plans to change. Shouldnt that make the solution very simple? Also I have asked this question before and nobody has come close to giving me a satisfactory answer. My question is this, If women are "intuitive" like everyone says they are why are they soo d*mn vulnerable to players and liars? Still waiting for an answer to this.[/B][/QUOTE]

That's an easy answer. Simply bc their emotions get in the way and it sometimes overrides whatever their intuition is telling them. Not all women are like this but some.

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posted September 18, 2013 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kerosene:
[b]Of course guys can do that, they often date rape women..
So why wouldn't they be able to play mind games?


Well if what odette is saying is true, these guys are seriously letting women know that they are douchebags and have no plans to change. Shouldnt that make the solution very simple? Also I have asked this question before and nobody has come close to giving me a satisfactory answer. My question is this, If women are "intuitive" like everyone says they are why are they soo d*mn vulnerable to players and liars? Still waiting for an answer to this.[/B][/QUOTE]

Who is "everyone" that is saying this?

Generalization fallacy at work.

What I've seen is when a guy says some dumb stuff like that they either are nice guys or they think the woman is emotionally vulnerable and by generating empathy they can try to build rapport with her.

I've literally never seen it work, that does not keep the nice guys from trying.

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posted September 18, 2013 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Padre35:
Who is "everyone" that is saying this?

Generalization fallacy at work.

What I've seen is when a guy says some dumb stuff like that they either are nice guys or they think the woman is emotionally vulnerable and by generating empathy they can try to build rapport with her.

I've literally never seen it work, that does not keep the nice guys from trying.[/
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What planet have you been living on? The majority of this forum has used this against me, you being one of them! You and others have said " Women pick up
on your anger/frustration" or "women
pick up on vibes" and all types of other
nonsense. Also what exactly am I trying to do? I'm just asking the hard questions here.

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posted September 18, 2013 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diploda

I saw how badly you were treated in DD. I am sorry about that but you did the right thing by ignoring and leaving. You handled yourself with a lot of grace and dignity. Learning to ignore and walk away took me 3 long years and you are relatively new and did a GREAT job

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posted September 18, 2013 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I eat like a pig. I like my pork chops, ribs and pulled pork. Does that count?


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posted September 18, 2013 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
With the Libra girl you liked - lets say you guys were dating now - and she behaved in a way that was mean or jerky.. Do you think you would find it easy to simply dump her and walk away?



Beyond a shadow of a doubt. I don't put up with any kind of bs, my patience has grown thin. Just a few days ago I told off a girl I have been talking to because she started playing mind games with me. Was/am I attracted to her? very much so. Did I enjoy talking with her? Yes, until the mindgames and insecurity came out to play.

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posted September 18, 2013 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG

After my son found his soul mate, I am convinced God has to bring people to people. My son is like you--sweet, kind and not a game player.

He can be himself with this girl.

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posted September 18, 2013 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Padre35:
[b] Who is "everyone" that is saying this?

Generalization fallacy at work.

What I've seen is when a guy says some dumb stuff like that they either are nice guys or they think the woman is emotionally vulnerable and by generating empathy they can try to build rapport with her.

I've literally never seen it work, that does not keep the nice guys from trying.[/
QUOTE]
What planet have you been living on? The majority of this forum has used this against me, you being one of them! You and others have said " Women pick up
on your anger/frustration" or "women
pick up on vibes" and all types of other
nonsense. Also what exactly am I trying to do? I'm just asking the hard questions here. [/B]


Not the same as being intuitive AG.

Intuitive means there is no real basis for guessing/knowing it relies more on a sort of fuzzy logic.

Picking up vibes is very different, for example if ones shoulders are slightly stiff, it is obvious one is nervous or even angry. That is based on physical ques.

Intuitive would not be based on physical tells at all, it seems like a wild guess that there is no way they could know.

And that's your idea of a "hard" question?

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posted September 18, 2013 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zander916     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow... .


I think it's all being taken waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
Thus, why I'm single for now. I would hate for everything that I ever said to be stuck under a microscope to be psychoanalyzed.
It's one of the things that I watch for. Been there, no thanks.

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posted September 18, 2013 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Odette:
It should... but it depends on the connection the two people involved have - their general physical chemistry and their synastry - their psychological compatibility etc...
If two people have strong chemistry - and one of those people has serious issues (has had a bad childhood or whatever else).. it can be difficult for the other person to simply leave them.

I mean just because someone is a mental head-case or is a player or has a personality disorder - that does not mean they can't have romantic or sexual *chemistry* with another person.
Of course it would be easy to dump some random jerk you are not attracted to. But it's more difficult to dump a jerk who has his Sun exactly conjunct your Mars and his Mars conjunct your Venus and his Pluto opposite your Moon and what not..


It just depends on the


connection you have with the other person


When this kind of jerky behaviour props up - it should either be discussed (if it's possible...) or the victim of the
jerky behaviour should dump
the jerk.
I completely agree!


But AG ^ you are insinuating


that this should be a very easy

decision. It is not always


easy...
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I don't believe in "connections"
the way most people do. I have
had great synastry with girls
including sun/moon double
whammies, mars/venus double
whammies,active 5th 7th and
8th houses etc and none of
those girls considered us to
have a connection. But let them
have those aspects with some
random Good looking guy and
suddenly they mean something.
Imo, most women try to dress up lust and attraction by calling it "a connection"when in reality there is no connection.

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posted September 18, 2013 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zander916:
Wow... .


I think it's all being taken waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
Thus, why I'm single for now. I would hate for everything that I ever said to be stuck under a microscope to be psychoanalyzed.
It's one of the things that I watch for. Been there, no thanks.



Welcome to the world of relationships.

You don't have the right to remain silent.

You don't have the right to consultation or advisement by your buddies upon inquisition.

Anything you say or do will be used against you in an entirely one-sided fashion in the court of the singular female judge and jury, and in the court of female public opinion.

In fact, you don't have any rights

You are now a subject for microscopic examination and interrogation.

This only gets exponentially worse after marriage

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