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Topic: Men R Pigs
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Diplopoda
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posted September 17, 2013 03:53 PM
  
A Taurus man said that to me once. It left me wondering
- was he referring to himself or all men?
- is that more of a taurean trait than other zodiacs?
- how much of what he said is true and what exactly did he mean
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aquaguy91
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posted September 17, 2013 04:56 PM
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aquaguy91
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posted September 17, 2013 05:09 PM
ask tim allen. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ExkLAqUBU6c IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 17, 2013 05:31 PM
When I see a person who thinks all men are pigs or all woman are game players, I look to the chart.
The answer will be in an afflicted Sun, in the former and an afflicted Moon in the latter.
Neither is true but we see from our own lens.------------------
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Odette
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posted September 17, 2013 05:56 PM
If a guy ever tells you that men are pigs - make sure you give him a long lecture to the contrary.. and explain that he is very worthy of love and affection and so are other men. If they are in the mindset that "men are pigs" they are likely to treat people badly.. because they have no standards for themselves or others. They have low self esteem.
You need to make sure you put your foot way down at that point - and explain in no uncertain terms that he is not a pig... that all men are not pigs - and that you expect a certain standard of behaviour from him. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted September 17, 2013 06:06 PM
Never EVER... Under ANY circumstances agree with a man who says something like "men are pigs". Do not nod or smile at them or laugh (treating it as a joke) or seem 'agreeable' in any way. However tempting it may be, (mainly if you just broke up with the ex from hell and you are still jaded) - direct your attention elsewhere and do not give any positive feedback, even if he said this as a joke. Also - I think it's better not to simply ignore it either. As I said - you should 'talk back' and explain that this is not true.
If you feel like you can't do this though - because you've had too many negative experiences with men... and you can't bear to defend them - then at least stay completely neutral and say nothing at all. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 17, 2013 06:31 PM
Wise words, Odette and unusual for someone of your generation imo------------------
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Kerosene
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posted September 17, 2013 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by Diplopoda:
A Taurus man said that to me once. It left me wondering
- was he referring to himself or all men?
- is that more of a taurean trait than other zodiacs?
- how much of what he said is true and what exactly did he mean
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Are you girl?
That's a common tactic for men to use on women.
All men are pigs except me of course!!! IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
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From: vodka fine, I'm so divine
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posted September 17, 2013 07:07 PM
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Kerosene: All men are pigs except me of course!!!
I'm forever a young beautiful boy so I count myself excluded from this men are pigs rule!  IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted September 17, 2013 07:22 PM
^ Oh youuuu 
hahaha I meant that sarcastically as a tactic that guys use on women they think are gullible.
"Look, I'm such a nice guy. Most guys are horrible blah blah blah."IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
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posted September 17, 2013 07:43 PM
Lol! I caught that! I was playing along. I guess I didn't along well enough.  OP: here, relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFTL3pBnR2Y IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted September 17, 2013 07:44 PM
Since when is it bad to be a pig? They are smarter than dogs, cleaner than most animals (Islamic assertions aside), and are very loyal and loving creatures. And who wouldn't want to lie around in cool mud on a hot summer day? Now calling men chickens would be an insult."That'll do, pig, that'll do." Charlotte wrote: SOME PIG. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 17, 2013 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Since when is it bad to be a pig? They are smarter than dogs, cleaner than most animals (Islamic assertions aside), and are very loyal and loving creatures. And who wouldn't want to lie around in cool mud on a hot summer day? Now calling men chickens would be an insult."That'll do, pig, that'll do." Charlotte wrote: SOME PIG.
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aquaguy91
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posted September 17, 2013 08:38 PM
I prefer to be called a jack@**. They are really smart and stubborn like me.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 17, 2013 08:59 PM
Books are so magical when you are a child------------------
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Odette
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posted September 17, 2013 09:07 PM
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"Look, I'm such a nice guy. Most guys are horrible blah blah blah."
Actually many of the ones who go around saying this --- say it about themselves also.
They say they are pigs or jerks or a-holes (and that all men are, hence absolving themselves of guilt.. because if all men are pigs, then "it is what it is".. They don't have to take responsibility for their crappy behaviour). They say this kind of thing at the start of a relationship. And later when they behave badly, instead of taking accountability for their own actions - they say something like:
"But I told you I was a jerk. Why would you date me in the first place? I was honest and told you all along exactly what I am like." Or.. "This is not actually my fault for being a jerk... I am just a man and we are all pigs. This is actually *your* fault for not having the wisdom not to date me". *facepalm* - Blame the victim... :\ It basically gives them an excuse to do whatever they like and never admit to any guilt-factor. Sometimes they don't call themselves jerks.. but they say things like "My longest relationship was 2 months".
And later - again - if the girl they are dating blows up at them.. they can say: "But you knew my relationships don't last long. I told you right when I met you."
No accountability.. ^ Others might say this kind of thing just to sound tough. Many guys are very very apprehensive about being labelled a "nice guy" or "friend material".. so saying they are pigs/jerks etc gives them an edge - so they think. ---- So as soon as you hear this kind of crap - CUT THEM RIGHT OFF - very early on.. Don't let things get out of hand!
You have to stomp on this right away and make it very clear to them that you have standards - that you expect certain things from them
If they think you are high-maintenance - then the highway awaits them! Congratulations.
But they need to know from the very beginning that you are not putting up with stuff like this... and that you are neither stupid nor brainwashed - and you are perfectly well aware that there are many men out there who match up to YOUR standards (and who are not pigs). This is actually what they need to hear most of all ^
Because their crap works best on women who genuinely believe that they deserve to be treated badly and that all the men of the world behave in this manner, so it never gets any better.
As a consequence, they put up with any amount of sh*t. So you have to explain to the guy in question - that actually you have had proper boyfriends in the past and proper male role models - and you *know* that there are much better men in this world.. and if "pig" is his personal standard of behaviour - then this is his prerogative.. but this is not *your* own standard. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted September 17, 2013 09:11 PM
Have you read Animal Farm? George Orwell anybody?The pig is the born leader. The pig, Snowball, is intelligent, diligent, devoted, passionate, eloquent, gracious and not devious, unlike his counterparts. The pig wins the support and loyalty of his camaraderie and emerges victorious as the leader of all animals. It is a big honor to be called a pig. George Orwell patterned the pig after Leon Trotsky. I rather be called a pig than any other animal. Better than a lion for sure. You guys ever listened in school? Lol. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted September 17, 2013 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Have you read Animal Farm? George Orwell anybody?The pig is the born leader. The pig, Snowball, is intelligent, diligent, devoted, passionate, eloquent, gracious and not devious, unlike his counterparts. The pig wins the support and loyalty of his camaraderie and emerges victorious as the leader of all animals. It is a big honor to be called a pig. George Orwell patterned the pig after Leon Trotsky. I rather be called a pig than any other animal. Better than a lion for sure. You guys ever listened in school? Lol.
great book.
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Ami Anne
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posted September 17, 2013 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Have you read Animal Farm? George Orwell anybody?The pig is the born leader. The pig, Snowball, is intelligent, diligent, devoted, passionate, eloquent, gracious and not devious, unlike his counterparts. The pig wins the support and loyalty of his camaraderie and emerges victorious as the leader of all animals. It is a big honor to be called a pig. George Orwell patterned the pig after Leon Trotsky. I rather be called a pig than any other animal. Better than a lion for sure. You guys ever listened in school? Lol.
My all time favorite Book. I wish people would read it and apply it to today but that is a whole other story
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libraschoice77
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posted September 17, 2013 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Actually many of the ones who go around saying this --- say it about themselves also.
They say they are pigs or jerks or a-holes (and that all men are, hence absolving themselves of guilt.. because if all men are pigs, then "it is what it is".. They don't have to take responsibility for their crappy behaviour). They say this kind of thing at the start of a relationship. And later when they behave badly, instead of taking accountability for their own actions - they say something like:
"But I told you I was a jerk. Why would you date me in the first place? I was honest and told you all along exactly what I am like." Or.. "This is not actually my fault for being a jerk... I am just a man and we are all pigs. This is actually *your* fault for not having the wisdom not to date me". *facepalm* - Blame the victim... :\ It basically gives them an excuse to do whatever they like and never admit to any guilt-factor. Sometimes they don't call themselves jerks.. but they say things like "My longest relationship was 2 months".
And later - again - if the girl they are dating blows up at them.. they can say: "But you knew my relationships don't last long. I told you right when I met you."
No accountability.. ^ Others might say this kind of thing just to sound tough. Many guys are very very apprehensive about being labelled a "nice guy" or "friend material".. so saying they are pigs/jerks etc gives them an edge - so they think. ---- So as soon as you hear this kind of crap - CUT THEM RIGHT OFF - very early on.. Don't let things get out of hand!
You have to stomp on this right away and make it very clear to them that you have standards - that you expect certain things from them
If they think you are high-maintenance - then the highway awaits them! Congratulations.
But they need to know from the very beginning that you are not putting up with stuff like this... and that you are neither stupid nor brainwashed - and you are perfectly well aware that there are many men out there who match up to YOUR standards (and who are not pigs). This is actually what they need to hear most of all ^
Because their crap works best on women who genuinely believe that they deserve to be treated badly and that all the men of the world behave in this manner, so it never gets any better.
As a consequence, they put up with any amount of sh*t. So you have to explain to the guy in question - that actually you have had proper boyfriends in the past and proper male role models - and you *know* that there are much better men in this world.. and if "pig" is his personal standard of behaviour - then this is his prerogative.. but this is not *your* own standard.
You just hit the nail on the head with that theory, its almost like they are telling you upfront what kind of man they will be in a relationship...like a warning label of sorts. Once dated a guy who said something along the same lines, and he turned out to be the very jerk he said ”most” other men are. If it looks like a jerk, acts like a jerk, and walks like a jerk...then it must be a jerk. Of course not all come from the land of Jerkdom, kudos to you good men out there left  IP: Logged |
Padre35
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From: Asheville, NC, US
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posted September 17, 2013 09:57 PM
Agree w/Odette, that is Pander Bear behavior that is designed to be sympathetic but really is not.Wild boars are fine animals, smart, non native and very destructive, ferocious and they breed at a stunning rate. Worthy of hunting. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted September 17, 2013 10:12 PM
I think most of you are blowing this stuff way out of proportion. I have never heard a guy seriously say " I'm a pig!" or call other men pigs to justify their bad behavior. I have only heard men say those things in a joking manner to tease women. IP: Logged |
libraschoice77
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posted September 17, 2013 10:20 PM
^^It wasnt so much that the guy I use to date called himself a jerk, but was making himself out to be this saint of a man who could do no wrong while putting down other men saying they were bad and mostly jerks. He was trying to make himself look good with words ”Im better than them”, but gave himself away with actions. Thing is he turned out to be one of them as well!As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words...people always eventually show you what kind of person they are. IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted September 17, 2013 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I think most of you are blowing this stuff way out of proportion. I have never heard a guy seriously say " I'm a pig!" or call other men pigs to justify their bad behavior. I have only heard men say those things in a joking manner to tease women.
Ah youth. I've heard guys describe themselves as that, and much worse things, also heard women self identify as ******* as well. Difference is, when guys say that to women they are pandering and not being themselves, it is the worst form of "nice guy" behavior. I have commiserated with a female friend b/c a guy she was into told her he loved her, then of course dumped her, which I found sort of HS of him, did not go the nice guy route though. Just asked what happened and if she would be okay. IP: Logged |
somethingexcellent
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From: vodka fine, I'm so divine
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posted September 17, 2013 11:20 PM
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Padre35: Ah youth.
Isn't that what we all say to our dear aquaguy? Even I say it and he's a few years my senior...
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