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Violets
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posted January 05, 2014 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I started pondering this (as I have in the past, and occasionally consider but then dismiss) when I came across this short (20 minute) documentary on Japan's "Suicide Forest".

The documentary is not for people who have trigger issues with losing loved ones, so please be aware before watching. It's sad and disturbing, but not TOO graphic. If this hits too close to home for you, please do not watch it.

I think the worker who was searching through the forest had some wise words to say about people being disconnected from face-to-face interaction with other human beings in the world we live in, and how much we really need that in our lives.

I am fortunate, because I have always enjoyed the people I've worked with, had significant others and friends or acquaintances to talk to, and I now have my family very close.

But I think there are times when we all feel a little bit disconnected, especially after spending too much time online.

It's easy to poke fun at figures like "Comic Book Guy" from the Simpsons, but...there are so many people out there who are probably very depressed. Do you think spending too much time online increases depression? I have generally dismissed this as something I don't care to address, but I'm starting to wonder if it affects us in ways that we don't even imagine.

I just actually said to my husband this morning "I think we're both addicted to the internet."
I've read articles about people actually experiencing "withdrawal symptoms" when forced to go without their smart phones for even a week--anxiety, etc.

What do you guys think?
We don't really limit our time online in our household, and although my son is only allowed to watch mostly PBS shows with a few "good moral" cartoons from overseas, there is usually background noise in our home from the television or the computer.

(Here is the link) http://youtu.be/4FDSdg09df8

Thoughts?
(Please try not to be hostile while expressing your thoughts.)

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 05, 2014 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get my fill of Internet depression from LL. I come to LL to prevent myself from being too happy all the time.

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posted January 05, 2014 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not addicted to the internet.

I buy submarine sandwiches when I have to.

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Ellynlvx
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posted January 05, 2014 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Philly Cheesesteak

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Padre35
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posted January 05, 2014 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Tech can never replace human interaction, face to face human interactions.

Suspect it's b/c a pixelated image, no matter how "hi-def" it is, does not convey emotional reactions accurately or even in a comforting manner.

A neck up video image while chatting with someone does not show feet shuffling a bit, or a hand raise, or how quickly someone smiles or frowns at what was just said.

I also think "modern" mankind is in an odd place now, w/o a sort of self image of what "WE" want out of life, that same life is then filled with either what others tells us it should be filled with, or a sort of bland boring existence with the internet or technology becoming a grand pacifier subverting honest emotions.

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posted January 05, 2014 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think too much of the wrong kind of internet can be depressing, yes. It kind of leaves people feeling empty and void. Unfulfilled and like this is a **** poor substitute for a rewarding life.

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Ellynlvx
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posted January 05, 2014 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a little late to pick-up cause I have to have my "Talk to Violet" minute

Er,um hour

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Okay, maybe a little bit, but only on LindaLand!

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posted January 05, 2014 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CatMote     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ill be honest. i think im addicted to the internet. i hate it. im always online, facebook is always open in my tabs. i always have my phone on me. actually, i feel like going to the store and leaving my phone here. just to see what its like.

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posted January 05, 2014 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CatMote:
ill be honest. i think im addicted to the internet. i hate it. im always online, facebook is always open in my tabs. i always have my phone on me. actually, i feel like going to the store and leaving my phone here. just to see what its like.


This is one of the reasons why I don't have a smart phone, it takes you out of the moment and sort of hijacks your life with either other people's content, or some media content.

We live moment by moment, not online data or media product by media product

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posted January 05, 2014 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I get my fill of Internet depression from LL. I come to LL to prevent myself from being too happy all the time.

Hahahaha...!

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posted January 05, 2014 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Just a little late to pick-up cause I have to have my "Talk to Violet" minute

Er,um hour

Day

Okay, maybe a little bit, but only on LindaLand!


Aaahhh! I was beginning to wonder where you'd gone, Ellyn! *big hugs*

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posted January 05, 2014 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CatMote:
ill be honest. i think im addicted to the internet. i hate it. im always online, facebook is always open in my tabs. i always have my phone on me. actually, i feel like going to the store and leaving my phone here. just to see what its like.


Seriously, yes! I take time out to play with my son, but while I'm doing the dishes or whatever, my laptop is usually sitting on the counter across from me, and I glance at whatever's going on as I pass by it.

Whenever I'm doing something fun with him, I end up trying to take a picture of him with my phone (to post on Facebook), and it just...absolutely ruins the moment. It's like a huge wet blanket on whatever fun we're having. The absolute opposite of spontaneous.

I've actually noticed this when our family goes to the beach, or hiking somewhere beautiful, etc. Not so much with the phone thing, but with cameras as well. We really enjoy photography, but it just feels like...we are not enjoying the beauty in the truest way possible. We are enjoying it but are distracting ourselves at the same time, which detracts from the joy of a beautiful place.

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posted January 05, 2014 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel pretty smart for totally forgetting to add the link to the video in my OP. *facepalm*

Anyway, here it is. If you watch it, just know that it is pretty sad and somewhat disturbing. But I think that the worker in the documentary is a wise man.
http://youtu.be/4FDSdg09df8

Anyway, my husband and I have been talking about this for a while, but not really as much as we did this morning.

I feel as though so much distraction is like something very insidious. It extends itself out to areas of our lives (perhaps) that we're not even aware of, I think.

Like the chatter that Buddhists talk about (not that I know much about that, as Buddhism isn't really my area of expertise). Our minds are NEVER quiet when we use these devices excessively (and I think that it requires very little to be excessive with the internet and television).
So when we're trying to set goals for ourselves or do other beneficial things, it seems as though that "chatter" works against us. We forget about small but important goals--eating healthier, being more healthy in general, doing more quality things with our lives.

Those were our perceptions, anyway.
We're now putting out the blueprints for how to define our internet/television time and try to have a less "chattering" household.
We don't watch a lot of television, but there are usually family friendly cartoons going on in the background. I like it much better when our house is quiet, but filled with the sounds of us playing or talking to each other.

I think they need a detox center for people who use the internet too much.

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Ellynlvx
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posted January 05, 2014 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With Wifi?

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Ellynlvx
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posted January 05, 2014 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, seriously; Violets,

if you let this talk spoil our friendship with your constant guilty pleasure vibes, I am going to have to cut you off the in-real-life distractions that keep you from visiting with me.

So.

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posted January 05, 2014 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me, I am going to get a tablet so I can have the computer with me at all times

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posted January 05, 2014 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He said he never could figure out why people kill themselves in a beautiful forest and yet right away it made sense to me (whether or not I'm right or wrong): the forest not only provides some comfort and privacy and moment of quiet reflection but also prevents the family from having to clean up a mess or ruining a home by forever scarring it with the memory of your suicide in that room.

In my case I like the idea of my body feeding nature just as nature has long sustained me, it's all part of a cycle.

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posted January 05, 2014 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And though I get his points on how face to face is much better for communicating I don't think that's why people commit suicide. Suicide has been a serious problem in Japan since at least the 70s. And suicide has been common for a long time everywhere, no internet required and all the face to face a person could handle...perhaps too much of it.

And I don't think people would get too into the internet without enough human contact unless they were prone to that anyway. The new generation is completely plugged in, I think they interact more online (including phones) than off but they're not deprived zombies. The real problem is actually that the net has facilitated socialization to the point that rumor campaigns are much more devastating now because it alerts everyone instantly how to treat a person and how to barrage a bullied victim when the victim normally would be able to escape (if only for a little while). And seeing the human face of a bullied victim isn't going to stop that cyberbullying it only opens the door to more abuse and even violence (which might be recorded on cam to show off to others).

That said, the current generation is no worse than the generations before it, the narcissism of the older generations that always says otherwise notwithstanding.

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posted January 05, 2014 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not really. I think the Internet is so much a part of our lives for people now in their teens and 20s that we feel very comfortable and happy being on it.
I don't believe it increases depression at all. I like talking to ppl online or offline or on the phone. Interacting with people in any context decreases depression for me. It doesn't do the opposite.
But it also depends on whether you are an introvert or extrovert.

Also - we're addicted to everything to some extent - but that's normal. If someone took my iPhone or my tv or whatever else I would also suffer anxiety.
It is about wanting to be able to communicate and interact and also access entertainment.
What else is there to do? Lol
Life is work and entertainment and interaction with others and more work and so on

An addiction only becomes a problem if it takes over your life and causes damage.

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posted January 05, 2014 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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nd I don't think people would get too into the internet without enough human contact unless they were prone to that anyway. The new generation is completely plugged in, I think they interact more online (including phones) than off but they're not deprived zombies.

Exactly. Like I can go for a run and check FB on my phone or chat to someone while I'm on my way elsewhere. I'm on my phone as we speak in the city waiting for someone. If I wasn't posting this Id just be bored twiddling my thumbs waiting lol and staring at ppl.

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posted January 05, 2014 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Violets:
Seriously, yes! I take time out to play with my son, but while I'm doing the dishes or whatever, my laptop is usually sitting on the counter across from me, and I glance at whatever's going on as I pass by it.

Whenever I'm doing something fun with him, I end up trying to take a picture of him with my phone (to post on Facebook), and it just...absolutely ruins the moment. It's like a huge wet blanket on whatever fun we're having. The absolute opposite of spontaneous.

I've actually noticed this when our family goes to the beach, or hiking somewhere beautiful, etc. Not so much with the phone thing, but with cameras as well. We really enjoy photography, but it just feels like...we are not enjoying the beauty in the truest way possible. We are enjoying it but are distracting ourselves at the same time, which detracts from the joy of a beautiful place.


Exactly, there is a balance b/t being Thoreauvian, and being a total tech zombie.

I'd go further and suggest that such instant access to other people can be harmful as people, being verbs, do tend to get caught in moments and say and do things they regret later on, but once communicated it is always communicated so to speak.

There is very little time for introspection and courtesy etc in this situation.

I'm somewhat surprised there is not a field of psychic ability and endeavor that centers on electronic communication "reading"

Any mod can tell you the forum name may change, the content and style rarely does, that is an aspect of self being exposed to public view and private emotion and very readable.

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posted January 05, 2014 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
Exactly. Like I can go for a run and check FB on my phone or chat to someone while I'm on my way elsewhere. I'm on my phone as we speak in the city waiting for someone. If I wasn't posting this Id just be bored twiddling my thumbs waiting lol and staring at ppl.

Or..thinking, perhaps recalling lectures or poems or songs, who needs that when there is a pacifier of such internal thought?

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posted January 05, 2014 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good idea! I'll go and daydream about this one time when I met this guy at a club. He tried so hard to get my attention.. but I was distracted by something else, so he just kept trying and trying. Eventually he asked for my number but I didn't give it to him because even though he was drop dead gorgeous and he wanted me so badly ... I don't do flakey. He had a convertible Lamborghini as well - but I mean.. I'm not a superficial person. I'm all about what's on the inside. As long as they are a real - true blue - bad boy on the inside - then I really like them.
This one wasn't bad enough for me.

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posted January 05, 2014 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

About what I'd expect, why not ask Siri?

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Odette
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posted January 05, 2014 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'd go further and suggest that such instant access to other people can be harmful

But that's only if the E-Boogie Monster doesn't get you first.

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