posted January 28, 2014 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
So I just had a heart to heart with her and we both agreed that we don't need to do anything that would tempt her into having sex before marriage. I'm not going to lie and say that this will be easy for me but I'm willing to do that because I care about her a lot.

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Which is honorable AG...IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!!!

Believe it or not, your wants matter too

posted January 28, 2014 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Which is honorable AG...IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!!!

Believe it or not, your wants matter too

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posted January 28, 2014 01:13 AM            

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It could be that she only said she was a virgin and waiting for marriage to impress me and has really been open to sex to all along. Or it could mean that she thinks sleeping in the same bed together and doing everything but actual intercourse is ok and wants to save that until marriage.

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Yes. Indeed.
She could be lying about being a virgin.

and..

Yes. It could mean that she would do things with you other than sex.

and..

If you get the impression that she wants to seem special with all this 'blah' and maybe play a little hard to get - I also wouldn't put that past her.

Go with the flow of whatever she does. My impression is - considering what she said:
"Her exact wording was I want you to kiss me "everywhere"."

- That it will happen sooner rather than later

posted January 28, 2014 01:15 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Yes I am ok with it. I was just unsure of where she stood on the whole thing.

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Cool, just so long as YOU are aligned with what that actually means, then wonderful

posted January 28, 2014 01:17 AM            

I'm confused.

What is cheap sex to you? What an odd thing to say.. O_O

Secondly... if "cheap sex" is your new chauvinistic word for what the rest of the world refers to as "casual sex"... then further:

- Why is casual sex (as opposed to cheap sex.. because I'm still confused on that) overrated?

and...

- How will either having or not having casual or cheap sex.. save him bitterness?
What would save him bitterness is using protection if he does have sex.. and taking up yoga to relax if he wants to go there & she doesn't.

*Multiple face palms*

posted January 28, 2014 01:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
What does cheap sex mean?
Is someone prostituting herself here?

I'm confused.

What is cheap sex to you?

What an odd thing to say O_O

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I am, whatever you say I am.

Cheap sex=bar bathroom BJ's and the wifey getting down when Hubby is not looking

VERY overrated, exciting at the time, far better to take the AG path (if she is being honest) then to muck about with all of that

posted January 28, 2014 01:28 AM            

And if he was - it would probably be his bathroom or hers.. not a bar bathroom.

posted January 28, 2014 01:29 AM            

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Cheap sex=bar bathroom BJ's and the wifey getting down when Hubby is not looking

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posted January 28, 2014 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Please grow up.

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Why Odette, are you trying to get a reaction?

To me, AG has probably found his ideal situation with a young lady, I wish him all the best and just worry that he may not realize what he is stepping into.

It's worth it, BUT very hard as there is a lot of trust involved w/no commitment as of yet.

posted January 28, 2014 01:34 AM            

I am not trying to get a reaction.

I am *having* a reaction to YOU.

posted January 28, 2014 01:39 AM            

good, it was not misplaced, it was honest if unpolitik

posted January 28, 2014 01:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Oh no.

I am not trying to get a reaction.

I am *having* a reaction to YOU.

-This- is the reaction that I am having to your entirely misplaced "cheap sex" comment.

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My sentiments exactly. Its pretty much how I feel when I see sexist, misogynistic, and blatently outworldly comments made by some of the male members on this forum. It makes me wonder as to which planet they have been living on all this time?!

Its funny because me and some of my work colleauges had a conversation on a topic similar to this just moments ago and this has given me an idea for a topic.

posted January 28, 2014 01:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
My sentiments exactly. Its pretty much how I feel when I see sexist, misogynistic, and blatently outworldly comments made by some of the male members on this forum. It makes me wonder as to which planet they have been living on all this time?!

Its funny because me and some of my work colleauges had a conversation on a topic similar to this just moments ago and this has given me an idea for a topic.

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Fascinating, Odette's beef w/my pov has -0- to do with AG's current romantic interest

It goes back to the **** shamming thread, at least as far as I can determine

Let us examine that, shall we?

It is sexist and misoygnistic to merely suggest that being a **** , is not in the female's interest..at all.

It plays into the "players" world view, and yet the basis of misogyny is a contempt, rather than a concern for women?

A simple question Xodian, do you even think before you post, or is your frame of reference merely "whatever she says, it's right!..for everyone!"?

Common sense would say, "it is the cads interest to have as many females as possible buying into cheap sex, then kick them out the door, there is always another one"

And yet to say, this is merely creating soft harems, is somehow misogynistic?

posted January 28, 2014 02:19 AM            

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Common sense would say, "it is the cads interest to have as many females as possible buying into cheap sex, then kick them out the door, there is always another one"

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Please go on a holiday to Finland or Denmark.
I'm sure you'll find multiple people there who disagree with your "common sense" (if we must refer to it as such).. and who can explain to you why your views are sexist.
I don't have anything else to add.

Xodian -

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My sentiments exactly. Its pretty much how I feel when I see sexist, misogynistic, and blatently outworldly comments made by some of the male members on this forum. It makes me wonder as to which planet they have been living on all this time?!

Its funny because me and some of my work colleauges had a conversation on a topic similar to this just moments ago and this has given me an idea for a topic.

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I'm not sure.. but it seems they are on a planet that is stuck in time somewhere in another century.

posted January 28, 2014 03:30 AM            

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It is sexist and misoygnistic to merely suggest that being a **** , is not in the female's interest..at all.

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That is like telling an African American slave in 17th/19th century America.. that rebelling against their 'slave' status is not at all in their interest because they will be whipped for it.

^^ I really hope that reading that you finally come to understand my absolute and utter outrage at your opinions.
I could actually *vomit*.

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"it is the cads interest to have as many females as possible buying into cheap sex, then kick them out the door, there is always another one"

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a) Do you understand the concept of people (male and female) desiring sex on a physical level, enjoying sex on a physical level - and then leaving it at that?
Do you understand the concept that this can be purely fun and enjoyable on a physical level.. or is that completely beyond your comprehension?

b) If there are men in this world who would see a 'casual sex' situation as being depreciative for the woman..
and if there are women in this world who would interpret 'casual sex' as being kicked out the door and "used" --- that is purely because of a flaw in their thinking.

If you do not want women to get hurt (as you say) then you should target the system that brainwashes them into thinking they need to be a good lil "wifey" to be appreciated - instead of simply enjoying life and enjoying their body.. as any other animal on the face of the planet.

If a woman does not leave of her own accord after casual sex.. and the guy needs to literally "kick her out the door" --- then clearly there is a miscommunication happening there.

posted January 28, 2014 03:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Cool, just so long as YOU are aligned with what that actually means, then wonderful

Cheap Sex is highly highly overrated, just be 100% that is what you want, it will save you a tonne of bitterness on down the road

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posted January 28, 2014 04:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Let us examine that, shall we?

It is sexist and misoygnistic to merely suggest that being a **** , is not in the female's interest..at all.

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And how do you define being a "**** " Padre? The impression I am getting from your posts is that you define any female as a **** for valuing her sexual freedom. While the venue might not be approapriate, the lady in question has every right to be with whoever she wants to be with and give a blowjob to anyone she wants to give a blowjob to.

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It plays into the "players" world view, and yet the basis of misogyny is a contempt, rather than a concern for women?

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Most male players are actually seen as a "norm" in society and are usually seen as those who are confident with their sexual prowess. So shouldn't a female player get the same acknowledgement as a male player? While I am not too particularly fond of players, I am not going to go about preaching the wholesome goodness of monogymous relationships to every person I deem a player just because it worked out so well for me.

You should try doing the same.

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A simple question Xodian, do you even think before you post, or is your frame of reference merely "whatever she says, it's right!..for everyone!"?

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Let me answer your question with another question:

Do YOU think that your ideal of a wholesome perfect relationship is appropriate for everyone?

Because as far as I can see, Odette has rarely gotten preachy with people on this forum and always puts up her posts as a reaction to your antagonistic views on female sexuality based on pathetic baseless generalizations that HAVE NO MERIT TO THEM WHATSOEVER!

I take her side because out of so many people on this forum, she usually takes the balanced viewpoint on things and have even defended men on this forum on what she saw as unfair accusations.

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Common sense would say...

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Seriously, you and AG have a very VERY warped "common sense." Common Sense would dictate that its none of your business as to who a woman sleeps with and how she chooses to live her life and you have no right to judge her for it.

"Judge not lest ye be judged."

posted January 28, 2014 06:02 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'm ok with it because I really really like this girl. We have a lot of fun just talking and being together. She melts my cold Aquarius heart because she is such a sweetheart. When we go out it's always an argument because she insists on paying because she says I'm a great guy and deserve for her to do nice things. Now I usually don't let her do it, but it kind of makes me smile inside because she wants to do it. But goodness knows she really tries, arguing with an Aries woman can be impossible, goodness, just no.

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posted January 28, 2014 06:08 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Facepalm*

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Exactly, how to put this, I'm not surprised, or even disappointed, it pretty much is a call to to do what I'm already doing.

I've seen enough train wrecks to know how they start, if "train wrecks are good" is the ideal, okay.

posted January 28, 2014 06:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Well cool AG, as long as you have your eyes open, she sounds like a great young lady and I'm happy for you

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posted January 28, 2014 06:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Exactly, how to put this, I'm not surprised, or even disappointed, it pretty much is a call to to do what I'm already doing.

I've seen enough train wrecks to know how they start, if "train wrecks are good" is the ideal, okay.

I hope this spreads, I'm a life long bachelor, hurray for me.

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posted January 28, 2014 06:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
Seriously, you and AG have a very VERY warped "common sense." Common Sense would dictate that its none of your business as to who a woman sleeps with and how she chooses to live her life and you have no right to judge her for it.

"Judge not lest ye be judged."

If whoever she sleeps with gets into a relationship with her knowing that she has no interest in settling down anytime soon, then its an informed decision between two adults who you don't get to judge.

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Scripture out of context, in any sense, how common.

Just wanted your opinion Xodian, as an aside, is having an affair when married a mark of sexual freedom, and is not having one a mark of sexual oppression?