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Topic: To make a move or not make a move
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Padre35
Knowflake Posts: 3179
From: Asheville, NC, US
Registered: Jul 2012
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posted January 28, 2014 11:40 PM
  
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Page OneIt says that women should not speak up in the church but wait to ask their husbands when they get home. I have never heard of a church doing this, so this would be one of the antiquated things and I think 95% of the Christians would agree. There a very few but some people who follow everything. I have heard of people who live in isolated communities in the hills etc who might but I have never heard of modern people.
And then Acts said there were 3 prophetesses they did not blunder about, locked out of the building, doing their offices, what Paul was getting at is in THAT Church, at THAT time, there was a lack of order over what was being preached Keep in mind, Paul's Epistles, the ones that survived, are one sided answers to question asked of him in letters that no longer exist, they may only be reconstructed via reverse engineering, and that is where I've seen many many errors. IP: Logged |
Padre35
Knowflake Posts: 3179
From: Asheville, NC, US
Registered: Jul 2012
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posted January 28, 2014 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by page one:
Again, what direct guidance? If either of them existed historically, they lived in different times. Christ had been long crucified when Paul went through his conversion. So we are left with "Paul", or someone writing in his name, claiming those books received direct guidance from "Jesus Christ", who either never existed or was long dead. I could believe "Paul" or Joseph Smith equally, and there's no reason I should do so, unless I chose to believe them, and it's no moral point for or against me if I do. And I didn't misquote, I rephrased, seeing that your own quotation didn't strike you as damning. So now what?
Paul was a contemporary of Christ, this is why he was there when Stephan was stoned before James was mentioned as the leader of the Church in Jerusalem Why do I say this? B/c religion, the Christian religion (not Faith mind you) is being dragged into what should be common sense once again. This discussion is not so much a moral argument, though there are elements of self enlightened morality attached, the argument "to virgin or not to virgin" to "**** or not to **** " boils down to a practical argument Boiled down to practicality, what is the more likely outcome of a potential high value male marrying, a woman who is honest about a sorted sexual past, or a woman who is chaste or even is relatively chaste? To be even cruder, who is marrying the town bike? granted, marriage is not the be all end all of the human experience, practically speaking if that is on the menu for her, well, sort of speaks for itself. Can Desire be negotiated? Dislike saying all of that, it is my conclusion to all of this. IP: Logged |
ReachingForTheStars
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Registered: Dec 2013
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posted January 29, 2014 12:26 AM
I agree with the people who suggested talking to her about it. If her stance on the subject hasn't changed, set some clear boundaries and bring her to a realistic conclusion to the very likely outcome of the things she said she wants (to be kissed everywhere) and is comfortable with. In my younger years, I was in a similar situation. I said I wanted to wait until after I was married, and I sincerely did, but I was also curious. I thought I would be able to maintain my chastity, and it was always the intent in the back of my mind, but I encouraged situations that that didn't support my convictions. In the end, I regretted failing to uphold my purity. My church shunned me, called me "detestable," and I really felt like I was. No one was harder on me than I was on myself. I ended up marrying the man I lost my virginity to thinking it was the right thing to do to atone for my detestable deeds, and I regret that too. I'm not saying this will be the case for you and your friend, but do tread lightly. I don't have the same view on pre-marital sex I had then, but I still regret being so hasty about it. I will never stop regretting it. I must commend you for being so careful and considerate about it. Give it more time before either of you give in. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 37354
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 02, 2014 11:21 PM
How did it go?IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 8487
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted February 02, 2014 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
How did it go?
Good. We agreed that's it best to wait. But there's still the matter of the whole Facebook thing. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 37354
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2014 09:49 PM
Good. IP: Logged | |
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