posted January 28, 2014 06:14 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
IMO the church needs to rethink their attitude on sex because waiting for marriage just isn't practical anymore. Back in the old days people would get married in their teens (the age most people become sexually active today) and live with their families and stuff . But nowadays people are going to college, getting financially sound, and buying a house before they get married. So if people still waited until marriage they wouldn't be having sex until their mid to late 20s, that's just not realistic today . People are biologically wired to have sex from their teens onwards. Now I'm not promoting promiscuity , but I don't see anything wrong with two people having sex if they care about each other and are committed to each other.

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The Bible is the Bible. Faith is faith. Either you have it or not. If you have it, then shut up, stop whining and obey. If you don't have it, then you don't have it, and go sit in your corner and soul search.

You don't get to re-write the Bible just like you don't get to re-interpret the US Constitution. This isn't Bill Clinton land where oral sex isn't sex. Technically didn't copulate isn't sex. You know as well as I do that just lusting after the act is bad enough.

Live up to the moral standards you hold dear inside your heart. Because if you weren't a Christian and if you don't love her, you wouldn't be b1tching and moaning just about right now.

And if I didn't give two sh1ts about you, I would be soft and gentle with you right now and tell you to do whatever's best for you and all that goobly gook liberal feel good Scandinavian BS. Scandinavia can kiss my fat smelly ass.

posted January 28, 2014 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
The Bible is the Bible. Faith is faith. Either you have it or not. If you have it, then shut up, stop whining and obey. If you don't have it, then you don't have it, and go sit in your corner and soul search.

You don't get to re-write the Bible just like you don't get to re-interpret the US Constitution. This isn't Bill Clinton land where oral sex isn't sex. Technically didn't copulate isn't sex. You know as well as I do that just lusting after the act is bad enough.

Live up to the moral standards you hold dear inside your heart. Because if you weren't a Christian and if you don't love her, you wouldn't be b1tching and moaning just about right now.

And if I didn't give two sh1ts about you, I would be soft and gentle with you right now and tell you to do whatever's best for you and all that goobly gook liberal Scandinavian BS. Scandinavia can kiss my fat smelly ass.

The rest is just conversation. And whoever doesn't like what I have to say can just bite me.

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posted January 28, 2014 06:23 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Padre35:
[b] Exactly, how to put this, I'm not surprised, or even disappointed, it pretty much is a call to to do what I'm already doing.

I've seen enough train wrecks to know how they start, if "train wrecks are good" is the ideal, okay.

I hope this spreads, I'm a life long bachelor, hurray for me.

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Oh I know, we both kinda know what is going on. For me AG, I'm on the "winning" side of the ledger and know where this leads as I've seen where it leads.

posted January 28, 2014 06:30 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You know I have a lot of respect for you but if I recall you used to tell us how you had sex with an average of two women per month before you met your wife,how do you explain that? I'm not going to sugarcoat it I have a lot of issues with things in the bible. Do you stone your children when they disobey you? Well according to the bible this should be standard procedure.. A lot of people who say the bible is infallible seem to overlook a lot of the disturbing things that it says. This is why I don't actively participate in organized religion .. I have my beliefs and dont really concern myself with what others are doing.

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I told you I was in sinful ways from 22 years through 28 years old. I never said I am a saint. If I were, I wouldn't be sinful, and thus would not be a Christian. I was active on my bachelorhood and I was also popular for whatever reason. I didn't actively seek dates with Christians. I did marry a Christian though, and a virgin as well.

Regarding children, I'm not some diabolical ba$tard that follows the Old Testament to the very literal meaning. Yeah i sure like stoning children, right? Otherwise, I would be an Orthodox Jew that abides by the Torah. Name me a single passage in the New Testament and any passage from Jesus Christ that discusses stoning children.

posted January 28, 2014 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Scripture out of context, in any sense, how common.

Just wanted your opinion Xodian, as an aside, is having an affair when married a mark of sexual freedom, and is not having one a mark of sexual oppression?

In answer to your question, a **** from my pov, is a woman who CANNOT control her sexuality, which leads her into a series of bad decisions with poor outcomes and screwed up self esteem.

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Affairs are a different story. Affair is an act of breech of trust after the couple in question have MUTUALLY agreed on where their relationship stands. If a couple agrees to be a monogomous couple and BOTH of them have agreed that they have no interest in looking for SEXUAL reltionships outside of their marriage then yes, going againt that mutual binding agreement is a breech of trust and warrents contempt.

Don't mix affairs with someone not wanting to have a long term relationship and are clear about it.

posted January 28, 2014 06:43 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I told you I was in sinful ways from 22 years through 28 years old. I never said I am a saint. If I were, I wouldn't be sinful, and thus would not be a Christian.

Regarding children, I'm not some diabolical ba$tard that follows the Old Testament to the very literal meaning. Yeah i sure like stoning children, right? Otherwise, I would be an Orthodox Jew that abides by the Torah. Name me a single passage in the New Testament and any passage from Jesus Christ that discusses stoning children.

Don't cut down the Bible to justify what you have on your mind. Either obey the Bible or don't. You don't like it, then don't obey and move on. If you have faith, be obedient.

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posted January 28, 2014 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
Affairs are a different story. Affair is an act of breech of trust after the couple in question have MUTUALLY agreed on where their relationship stands. If a couple agrees to be a monogomous couple and BOTH of them have agreed that they have no interest in looking for SEXUAL reltionships outside of their marriage then yes, going againt that mutual binding agreement is a breech of trust and warrents contempt.

Don't mix affairs with someone not wanting to have a long term relationship and are clear about it.

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Marriage is merely a construct foisted upon women by Patriarchy, designed to repress female sexuality.

Nah, such introspection will not register.

As for the larger point, YTA's and AG's, I do not base my opposition to sluttery purely on religious basis

I've had lots of conversations with young ladies, and not so young ladies, and have seen the damage being overly promiscuous over the years causes

It works like this:

Guys only like me for sex, but if they don't want instant sex, then they don't like me for me and who I am.

posted January 28, 2014 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Which is no different than your average devout Christian who overlook the verses in the New Testament condemning female preachers but take verses that condemn homosexuality to heart.

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Kindly enlighten me. Please tell me where in the Bible is the verse that says female preachers are condemned. It just so happens that several of the ministers I respect, truly love and cherish are women. But seriously, I want to know where those Biblical passages are so that I can point them out to my congregation.

posted January 28, 2014 09:53 AM            

Some Christians say women should not wear make up from a Scripture somewhere that a woman's adorning should just be her beautiful spirit. I think that is one of the Scriptures against make up but everyone I know wears it.

So, there are some things I don't follow like that.

I think the heart of the New Testament is love but it is not a sicky sweet love as many people see love.

It is a love with strength as Jesus had. A wimp is not a loving person, in Biblical terms.

One must be strong and from that vantage point can love.

I think that Christians feel they have to look perfect so skip to the love part without learning the actual lessons of not loving, hating, having revenge etc

I think you have to walk through these stages to TRULY leave them behind. You leave them behind through the choice of love not because you could not pay someone back or stand and fight.

I think all of the above makes you a real person. Many Christians are caracitures of a real person in being fake, sicky sweet.

Anyway, that was my answer to the question you didn't ask

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posted January 28, 2014 10:19 AM            

You've been respectful and thoughtful with her, and I hope that everything works out for both of you, if that's what you want.

posted January 28, 2014 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:

Kindly enlighten me. Please tell me where in the Bible is the verse that says female preachers are condemned.

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I'll butt in here and say that would probably be Paul. In the New Testament.

posted January 28, 2014 11:34 AM            

It says that women should not speak up in the church but wait to ask their husbands when they get home.

I have never heard of a church doing this, so this would be one of the antiquated things and I think 95% of the Christians would agree.

There a very few but some people who follow everything. I have heard of people who live in isolated communities in the hills etc who might but I have never heard of modern people.

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posted January 28, 2014 11:52 AM            

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I'll butt in here and say that would probably be Paul. In the New Testament.

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Do you think of the unmarried Paul as a self serving, sexist, bigoted woman hater and yet believe in Jesus Christ?

Paul wrote half of the New Testament under the direct guidance of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:11 "For I [Paul] would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."

The following passage has been perverted beyond belief and taken out of context. It applies to everybody.

1 Timothy 2:11-12: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

posted January 28, 2014 01:54 PM            

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Do you think of the unmarried Paul as a self serving, sexist, bigoted woman hater and yet believe in Jesus Christ?

Paul wrote half of the New Testament under the direct guidance of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:11 "For I [Paul] would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."

The following passage has been perverted beyond belief and taken out of context. It applies to [b]everybody.

1 Timothy 2:11-12: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

The message is for everyone to stfu and listen and learn in submission. No where does it say a man should have absolute dominion over all women.[/B]

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Do I have to reword what you just quoted? Fine: Paul doesn't PERMIT a woman to have rule over any man, so yes, I would say the Paul of the bible is a misogynist, and definitely not telling everyone to STFU equally. You may choose to believe he had direct guidance from Jesus Christ, but that's all you have.

posted January 28, 2014 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Do you think of the unmarried Paul as a self serving, sexist, bigoted woman hater and yet believe in Jesus Christ?

Paul wrote half of the New Testament under the direct guidance of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:11 "For I [Paul] would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."

The following passage has been perverted beyond belief and taken out of context. It applies to [b]everybody.

1 Timothy 2:11-12: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

The message is for everyone to stfu and listen and learn in submission. No where does it say a man should have absolute dominion over all women.[/B]

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posted January 28, 2014 04:51 PM            

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Do I have to reword what you just quoted? Fine: Paul doesn't PERMIT a woman to have rule over any man, so yes, I would say the Paul of the bible is a misogynist, and definitely not telling everyone to STFU equally. You may choose to believe he had direct guidance from Jesus Christ, but that's all you have.

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And that's all you have. One verse in isolation misquoted and taken completely out of context.

posted January 28, 2014 04:56 PM            

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Do I have to reword what you just quoted? Fine: Paul doesn't PERMIT a woman to have rule over any man, so yes, I would say the Paul of the bible is a misogynist, and definitely not telling everyone to STFU equally. You may choose to believe he had direct guidance from Jesus Christ, but that's all you have.

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posted January 28, 2014 05:28 PM            

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And that's all you have. One verse in isolation misquoted and taken completely out of context.

Direct guidance from Jesus Christ is enough in my books, and it is certain more than you have, unless you wish to extend those misogynist assertions to Christ as well.

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posted January 28, 2014 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Oh Boy.

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posted January 28, 2014 06:56 PM            

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And that's all you have. One verse in isolation misquoted and taken completely out of context.

Direct guidance from Jesus Christ is enough in my books, and it is certain more than you have, unless you wish to extend those misogynist assertions to Christ as well.

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Again, what direct guidance? If either of them existed historically, they lived in different times. Christ had been long crucified when Paul went through his conversion. So we are left with "Paul", or someone writing in his name, claiming those books received direct guidance from "Jesus Christ", who either never existed or was long dead. I could believe "Paul" or Joseph Smith equally, and there's no reason I should do so, unless I chose to believe them, and it's no moral point for or against me if I do. And I didn't misquote, I rephrased, seeing that your own quotation didn't strike you as damning. So now what?

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posted January 28, 2014 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

It's not just one verse , there's lots of them. Have you ever read Corinthians?

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posted January 28, 2014 11:35 PM            

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Do I have to reword what you just quoted? Fine: Paul doesn't PERMIT a woman to have rule over any man, so yes, I would say the Paul of the bible is a misogynist, and definitely not telling everyone to STFU equally. You may choose to believe he had direct guidance from Jesus Christ, but that's all you have.

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How can there be any such situation when it was also instructed to love your wife as Christ loved the Church?