posted November 26, 2014 12:19 AM            

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The black woman that I mentioned was respectable PROFESSOR. What was the excuse then? The sense of shame was only felt AFTER he realized she wasn't some "thug", as you say. Doesn't that imply some kind of preconceived bias and implicit racist views towards blacks? Or is jay-walking a crime worthy of beating a BLACK (ding, ding, ding!) woman down to the floor?

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I understood what you were saying. However an excuse wasn't needed in that situation. I watched the video and saw the reasoning behind all of it. Was the officer possibly overly aggressive? Maybe, so was she from the very start, he followed her lead. She was walking in the middle of the street and refused to follow the officer's directions. He even explained the law to her and she was still noncompliant. He was simply going to detain her, they do it here(in America) all of the time. Why not just follow the man's simple task? That whole thing could have been avoided but she had to refuse and had to kick him. Clearly she isn't a respectable person, as she failed to show the officer any respect. He didn't beat her to the floor. She was failing to cooperate which becomes extremely difficult for an officer to detain a possible suspect, so he did what they all do when the suspect resists detainment or arrest. Was race a factor here? Absolutely not, she was walking in the middle of the road in front of an officer, of course he's going to stop her it's normal policing behavior. She even admitted her guilt. To even make that instance about race proves my point.

posted November 26, 2014 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I understood what you were saying. However an excuse wasn't needed in that situation. I watched the video and saw the reasoning behind all of it. Was the officer possibly overly aggressive? Maybe, so was she from the very start, he followed her lead. She was walking in the middle of the street and refused to follow the officer's directions. He even explained the law to her and she was still noncompliant. He was simply going to detain her, they do it here(in America) all of the time. Why not just follow the man's simple task? That whole thing could have been avoided but she had to refuse and had to kick him. Clearly she isn't a respectable person, as she failed to show the officer any respect. He didn't beat her to the floor. She was failing to cooperate which becomes extremely difficult for an officer to detain a possible suspect, so he did what they all do when the suspect resists detainment or arrest. Was race a factor here? Absolutely not, she was walking in the middle of the road in front of an officer, of course he's going to stop her it's normal policing behavior. She even admitted her guilt. To even make that instance about race proves my point.

Anyhoo I'm done, hope you have an awesome night.

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Wow. Your "respectability politics" actually astound me. You actually sound a lot like those who taunt rape victims of how "they shouldn't have worn revealing clothing, therefore they asked for it".

posted November 26, 2014 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Chiemi:
Wow. Your "respectability politics" actually astound me. You actually sound a lot like those who taunt rape victims of how "they shouldn't have worn revealing clothing, therefore they asked for it".

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Girl, the juxtaposition between your thread and her comments was such a sad thing to see today. You are fighting for more rights, and your peer is promoting a systemic racist culture that truly degrades black women.

That to me, is the biggest devastation of all.

posted November 26, 2014 01:11 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Girl, the juxtaposition between your thread and her comments was such a sad thing to see today. You are fighting for more rights, and your peer is promoting a systemic racist culture that truly degrades black women.

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I agree. I've followed this post and have seen the comments and it is definitely sad (yet further highlights how even the women in my own "community" could care less about and ignore other Black Womens lives AND will toot their horns about how a Black Woman deserved xyz because she didn't fit a certain standard).

In Barbies case, I wonder if her feelings on these issues are also influenced by another issue in the Black community (i.e. colorism).

posted November 26, 2014 08:19 AM            

There is absolutely so superficial fix.

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posted November 26, 2014 08:24 AM            

To me, it was the rare Psych discipline that was really true and not a bunch of nonsense lol

It talked about how human nature is such that it wants to exclude others if they are perceived as "different"

It talked about how people will follow authority blindly--The Milgrim Experiments

It shows how people, if not truly changed by God, will make things a terrible mess.

I think that is the nature of racism, the heart of man

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posted November 26, 2014 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Chiemi:
Wow. Your "respectability politics" actually astound me. You actually sound a lot like those who taunt rape victims of how "they shouldn't have worn revealing clothing, therefore they asked for it".

I also wonder that if she were of a lighter hue/another race would you have been so quick to attribute aggressiveness to her behavior? Although I already know the answer to that.

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Whaaaaat?
Please take a breather and calm down, Chiemi. What did any of what I said have to do with her color? I would say the exact same had she of been white, yellow or orange. Are you really mad because I didn't go, "Oh this poor black sistah was thrown to the grown because she's black, NOT because she failed to cooperate and follow a simple task." I watch Cops a lot and the Officer did what they all do when suspects fail to cooperate.

I was going and still may go to school for law so I think that in its self explains why I say what I say. I think logically and in correspondence with the law when I see it fit. The whole situation could have been avoided had she done one simple task, it was never about race.

posted November 26, 2014 11:45 AM            

Ha, my issues? I don't have any issues with race or color. I treat all people the same, not any different if they're black or a black women. I'm supposed to now because I am black? I follow your lead? Are you kidding me? I think the real problem is you. You may want to reevaluate yourself first before checking other people.

PURE BRILLIANCE. Thank you

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posted November 26, 2014 11:59 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Girl, the juxtaposition between your thread and her comments was such a sad thing to see today. You are fighting for more rights, and your peer is promoting a systemic racist culture that truly degrades black women.

That to me, is the biggest devastation of all.

And for record, I actually the know the professor you are talking about, and the fact you had the nerve to say that about her speaks volume. But hey, keep preaching that Golden Rule of yours.

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I've been ignoring you but due to typical "BellaFenice egg-on-tactics" I no longer can.

The biggest devastation is that people like you are even allowed on this forum. You are the one person I pray the most for, you really need the deepest help of anyone here, Bella. What happened to you leaving LL? You're that addicted you can't stay away for even a few days? What happened to you not wanting to fight or argue with people? Is that thrown out whenever you see my posts? You've been addressing me, but respond to other people so it looks as if your not but I'm completely catching your drift.

If you have an issue and need to talk to me, please talk to me. I'm not a mind reader. I can't help fix the issue if you won't tell me. Have someone give you my email if you need to blow some steam, I'm perfectly fine with that.

posted November 26, 2014 12:06 PM            

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@ariestaurus So the scientific, proven evidence, doesn't corroborate his story? All of the truthful eye witnesses are now liars? All of the witnesses, who were proven to have been liars and even got on the stand and lied, are now truthful?

Read the evidence, not heavily opinionated articles.

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/ferguson-shooting/

http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html

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Some of the evidence corroborates with WILSON'S version of the story, yes. No witness saw everything that happened, so the complete picture of what happened came from Wilson's own mouth. The only other person who knows what happens is dead.

I also do not believe the evidence is complete. For instance, Wilson claims Brown grabbed his gun and tried to take control of it, but was the gun fingerprinted after the shooting occurred? No. Nor did he immediately turn his gun over for analysis.

Wilson claimed that Brown ran 35 feet away from him before he turned around and started 'charging' towards him (which would indicate that Brown was close enough to him to feel threatened by him), but it turns out the actual distance was 150 feet. That's a huge difference.

Both pieces of evidence are key in determining how threatened Wilson felt at the time, and both were fudged.

Furthermore, even the forensic examiner of Brown's body believed that the amount of bullets used was excessive:

His friend and eyewitness reported that Michael said: "I don't have a gun. Stop shooting." Minutes later, he was on the ground, bleeding. Dr. Michael M. Baden, the man who did Michael's autopsy, told the New York Times, "In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times.'"
http://www.upworthy.com/here-are-10-images-by-the-time-i-reached-the-third-one-i-was-crying-by-the-10th-i-was-furious?c=huf1

Lastly, and most importantly, it is VERY RARE that a police officer is indicted. If he/she is indicted, the charges are minimal.

Like when a schizophrenic homeless man was beaten to death by 3 cops. They were indicted, but 2 were found not guilty, and the other's trial is still pending.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas#Aftermath

Or the cops who beat a man who was in the middle of having a seizure. The man ended up in a coma. The officers were not charged.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=36461

This article is full of examples of cops killing and assaulting civilians. Some of these cops covered up their crimes by burning the bodies. I won't go through ever single one, but the majority of these cops were not indicted, and if they were, their charges were mostly quite small.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/g-flint-taylor/darren-wilson-wasnt-the-f_b_6216342.html

I'm certainly not saying all cops are bad. However, cops are people, too; some are rotten and some are good. And the rotten ones must be punished for wrongdoing. I don't live in a world where I see cops as these angels who can do no wrong. Cops are PROTECTED. As you've seen, the bad ones can get away with murder. To say otherwise would be naive.

posted November 26, 2014 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Please watch some Cops, they do it to old, young, black, white.

This is ridiculous, because I agree with the law based on what I heard and saw I'm a black on black hater? This is what's wrong with the world.

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posted November 26, 2014 12:18 PM            

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Please leave your death threats about yourself to yourself. I'm sick of it being thrown in my face.

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Excuse me? This is unacceptable. You say you "pray" for her like your prayers are some kind of divine miracle and then say this? How condescending!

No, I did not intend for this to turn into a fight but I will not sit back and see this be said not only about Bella, who is my friend, but ANYONE going through a rough patch. If you hate low blow jabs on people's personal issues, why are you throwing them?

She came after your remarks about the topic at hand, why did you have to come after her personally? This isn't the way to handle these situations, Barbie.

posted November 26, 2014 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Excuse me? This is unacceptable. You say you "pray" for her like your prayers are some kind of divine miracle and then say this? How condescending!

No, I did not intend for this to turn into a fight but I will not sit back and see this be said not only about Bella, who is my friend, but ANYONE going through a rough patch. If you hate low blow jabs on people's personal issues, why are you throwing them?

She came after your remarks about the topic at hand, why did you have to come after her personally? This isn't the way to handle these situations, Barbie.

Please take this into sincere consideration.

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I was not throwing it in her face, she's thrown in my face twice now how she was going to kill herself, that's why I said that. I would never throw that in anyone's face. That was my point.

posted November 26, 2014 12:30 PM            

Heck, I have one person who has been picking at me the entire time I have been here and when I react, she makes it like it did it out of the blue

I am sure Barbie did not mean that Bella should hurt herself.

There is a history here and so let's just move on.

You are BOTH great people in my book

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posted November 26, 2014 12:33 PM            

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I was not throwing it in her face, she's thrown in my face twice now how she was going to kill herself, that's why I said that. I would never throw that in anyone's face. That was my point.

I'm done can't take this anymore. Goodbye.

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Regardless, Barbie... There wasn't any need to say what you did. If it were you or anyone else who was on the receiving end of that kind of a comment, I would have done the same thing and protected you or anyone else. It isn't a "gang up on this person" kinda thing because I'm not like that but it's a matter of principle to me. It's not okay to say that, no matter what. Find it in your heart to revise yourself. I'm sure you can.

posted November 26, 2014 12:52 PM            

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Whaaaaat?
Please take a breather and calm down, Chiemi. What did any of what I said have to do with her color? I would say the exact same had she of been white, yellow or orange. Are you really mad because I didn't go, "Oh this poor black sistah was thrown to the grown because she's black, NOT because she failed to cooperate and follow a simple task." I watch Cops a lot and the Officer did what they all do when suspects fail to cooperate.

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Hmm, I find it interesting that in the beginning of your argument and later on you heavily focus and try to attribute "anger" to my post while in your responses to other posters here you don't mention such things. I wonder what exactly in my previous post made you assume that I am "angry"? If my posts seem "angry" to you, please enlighten me on how I "should" respond in a calmer manner.

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I was going and still may go to school for law so I think that in its self explains why I say what I say. I think logically and in correspondence with the law when I see it fit. The whole situation could have been avoided had she done one simple task, it was never about race.

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Good for you .
I still however, do not agree with you about how this "isn't about her race", but my thoughts might as well just fall on deaf ears since I might be responding "too harshly" or in an "angry" tone.

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Ha, my issues? I don't have any issues with race or color. I treat all people the same, not any different if they're black or a black women. I'm supposed to now because I am black? I follow your lead? Are you kidding me? I think the real problem is you. You may want to reevaluate yourself first before checking other people.

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Hmm, ok. I don't ever recall asking or implying that you "follow my lead" because we both so happen to be Black Women. We are not a monolith where we all share the same views on every single matter concerning the Black Community, I get that.

posted November 26, 2014 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Excuse me? This is unacceptable. You say you "pray" for her like your prayers are some kind of divine miracle and then say this? How condescending!

No, I did not intend for this to turn into a fight but I will not sit back and see this be said not only about Bella, who is my friend, but ANYONE going through a rough patch. If you hate low blow jabs on people's personal issues, why are you throwing them?

She came after your remarks about the topic at hand, why did you have to come after her personally? This isn't the way to handle these situations, Barbie.

Please take this into sincere consideration.

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posted November 26, 2014 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Regardless, Barbie... There wasn't any need to say what you did. If it were you or anyone else who was on the receiving end of that kind of a comment, I would have done the same thing and protected you or anyone else. It isn't a "gang up on this person" kinda thing because I'm not like that but it's a matter of principle to me. It's not okay to say that, no matter what. Find it in your heart to revise yourself. I'm sure you can.

Take care...

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posted November 26, 2014 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I've been ignoring you but due to typical "BellaFenice egg-on-tactics" I no longer can.

The biggest devastation is that people like you are even allowed on this forum. You are the one person I pray the most for, you really need the deepest help of anyone here, Bella. What happened to you leaving LL? You're that addicted you can't stay away for even a few days? What happened to you not wanting to fight or argue with people? Is that thrown out whenever you see my posts? You've been addressing me, but respond to other people so it looks as if your not but I'm completely catching your drift.

If you have an issue and need to talk to me, please talk to me. I'm not a mind reader. I can't help fix the issue if you won't tell me. Have someone give you my email if you need to blow some steam, I'm perfectly fine with that.

Please leave your death threats about yourself to yourself. I'm sick of it being thrown in my face.

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I made a death threat because I was in a very low place, and quite frankly is none of your business. You are deeply sick person to throw someone's struggles in their face. In fact, I only mentioned it to you twice: once in the venting thread and once in my own thread because your inconsiderate and self-centered arse felt the need to "clear the air" or whatever at an inappropriate time. I actually have not been on this site too much, and wanted to respond to this issue because it is a very important one to me. Are you really tracking my posts and following my every move? How is it your business to begin with?

And what does my personal life have to do with this thread?

I have not argued with anyone in this thread, I have debated like everyone else. If you haven't noticed, there is a reason I do not respond to you directly because the values you promote are absolutely disgusting.

Between the openly homophobic comments, classist remarks, saying I would rather be an "alcoholic than a liar," promoting a rape friendly culture, having dismissive and abrasive responses to counterarguments, saying a child who gets raped should have to carry their rapists baby, and self-hate comments, you sure are showing yourself to be an absolutely vile person.

According to you Capricorns have "dead eyes LOL," but I would much be a Cap ASC with dead eyes than spread vile hatred across the board. I've taken your crap for months, and let you mock me at my lowest. But now I have reached my limits and IGDAF to be quiet.

You constantly point fingers at everyone else at the site with your so called "emotional truths" that have no factual basis at all. And to attack people at their lowest says volumes about who you really are. You're only defense in debates is to use passive aggressive statements and name calling at people. You have yet to actually make a cohesive and articulate point.

The fact you don't care about systemic racism as a Black woman is so sad. Chiemi is upset because society doesn't care about Black women, but here you are bashing your own kind. How can you not care about the fact your race is treated so horribly at society? The comments you make at times literally makes my skin crawl.

Calling Black women thugs and stupid who deserve their jail time or stupidity? I have never seen such nasty things said about one's race.

And other thing I have been meaning to say? Fuc.k you.

Your selfishness and narcissism is just a front- the fact you go after opinionated and strong women on this site says it all. The problems with your beliefs aren't due to where you stand on the political or religious lines, but rather your refusal to emphasize with the human condition and only show sympathy when it fits your narrow "viewpoints."

Especially what happened to Rie, if I had known earlier what really went down, I would had a much different response in my thread. She is not jealous of you, that is for sure. It sucks she won't post anymore now because of the crap and lies you spewed at her. Keep living in that glass house of yours, the stones have almost finished it off.

So you don't need to pray for me, because the people on here know who I really am. You have been gunning for me for months, so now you have me. I don't accept false prayers and concerns either.

Do me a favor: don't EVER communicate with me on this site. EVER. I do not have any respect or time for people who are racist, homophobic, sexist, classist, and most importantly, hateful.

This is also why people do not feel comfortable posting about their private lives. And a classless and cowardly move to drop a comment like that and leave.

posted November 26, 2014 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I was not throwing it in her face, she's thrown in my face twice now how she was going to kill herself, that's why I said that. I would never throw that in anyone's face. That was my point.

I'm done can't take this petty, ******** anymore. Goodbye.

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LOLOLOLOL

I have never seen anyone on this forum lose their **** quite like you, Barbie. I haven't been on the forum in a few months, and nothing has changed. You are easily the most entertaining person here because I can always count on you for a good ol' fashioned freak out. It's always a good laugh

posted November 26, 2014 01:40 PM            

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