posted May 27, 2015 05:58 PM            

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No,
I was going to say that men today spend their 20s hooking up with easy women thinking that they will have the option to get married and settle down in their 30s. Unfortunately alot of these men enter their 30s with illegitimate children from said loose women,tons of money owed in child support,and yes... Declining looks. So alot of these men simply aren't attractive marriage prospects anymore.
At this same time the decent women that they ignored in their 20s and want to marry now are hitting their stride and have settled into their families and careers. And this makes 30,40,and 50 something men angry and bitter. They can't handle seeing women actually having options and power. I know you'll deny it but I see it on a daily basis. These old single men are constantly trashing women their age and calling them ugly and sexually obsolete.

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Yeah but that's only if you keep your focus on people who aren't up to your standards.

Other people are much more easygoing and friendly, on both sides of the gender divide.

So they don't automatically drag you through the mud for having had an "illegitimate child" (as if a person can be illegitimate) in your teens or twenties, whether you were the father or the mother, whether it was a mistake or part of a relationship that didn't work out.

posted May 27, 2015 06:07 PM            

I know almost all current Sweet Peas threads get diverted into: a) misogynist rants, and/or b) talk about the New World Order and the sheeple who mindlessly talk about a full range of topics instead of zooming in relentlessly on the NWO/Illuminati (as if that obsession would prevent anything )

So here I am risking a haughty scolding by the mod, for staying on topic.

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What do you think you'd be like if you were the opposite gender?

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I used to think I knew...or had some idea.

Then, last year, I had a vivid dream in which I was a man. I have no idea how to describe this sensation, but I imagine it was the feel of testosterone and adrenaline and maybe some whiskey on top of that. I felt completely different, like I might as well have been a wolverine. And it really freaked me out.

I woke up wondering how much truth was in the dream. I occasionally have psychic dreams, and this one felt accurate.

So I started reading some books/articles about transgendered people making the switch, assuming they could translate the differences, but I'm not satisfied that I've gotten enough answers. More research to do yet.

Just to be the Aquarius Mercury pain-in-the-neck devil's advocate that I am....

Sometimes I honestly wonder how thorough those transitions are, and how they might skew the conversation about gender...as when a male is transitioning into female and has a full-blown case of PMS/hysteria (oh of course...gotta have a psycho meltdown and blame that on estrogen, even though you're still mostly male)...or when a female to male talks up their new clarity of mind, increase in mental strength (as if being a female really hindered that strength, when women tend to outperform men in schools and have proven that we have actual brains.)

Sure there are differences but maybe a M2F is actually looking to experience femininity according to a preconceived idea and will yield to any hormonal impulse that, in their minds, would justify "acting like a real girl," (getting super emotional, crying, feeling needy) just like a F2M is SEEKING mental validation as part of their process and will be delighted to lay claim to new mental patterns that, being different, are regarded as superior, possibly on the grounds of novelty.

Anyway... the dream inspired me to respect the gender gap more and realize that the tomboy phases of my youth were probably nowhere near as similar to actually being a boy than I naively believed at the time.

So I have no idea what I'd be like as a guy.

I just know my name would have been Stephen.

posted May 27, 2015 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Sorry for going off topic.

I know almost all current Sweet Peas threads get diverted into: a) misogynist rants, and/or b) talk about the New World Order and the sheeple who mindlessly talk about a full range of topics instead of zooming in relentlessly on the NWO/Illuminati (as if that obsession would prevent anything )

So here I am risking a haughty scolding by the mod, for staying on topic.

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Nah, I just snatched the edges off of someone, so we both are getting scolded. We can go to jail together then, like always

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I used to think I knew...or had some idea.

Then, last year, I had a vivid dream in which I was a man. I have no idea how to describe this sensation, but I imagine it was the feel of testosterone and adrenaline and maybe some whiskey on top of that. I felt completely different, like I might as well have been a wolverine. And it really freaked me out.

I woke up wondering how much truth was in the dream. I occasionally have psychic dreams, and this one felt accurate.

So I started reading some books/articles about transgendered people making the switch, assuming they could translate the differences, but I'm not satisfied that I've gotten enough answers. More research to do yet.

Just to be the Aquarius Mercury pain-in-the-neck devil's advocate that I am....

Sometimes I honestly wonder how thorough those transitions are, and how they might skew the conversation about gender...as when a male is transitioning into female and has a full-blown case of PMS/hysteria (oh of course...gotta have a psycho meltdown and blame that on estrogen, even though you're still mostly male)...or when a female to male talks up their new clarity of mind, increase in mental strength (as if being a female really hindered that strength, when women tend to outperform men in schools and have proven that we have actual brains.)

Sure there are differences but maybe a M2F is actually looking to experience femininity according to a preconceived idea and will yield to any hormonal impulse that, in their minds, would justify "acting like a real girl," (getting super emotional, crying, feeling needy) just like a F2M is SEEKING mental validation as part of their process and will be delighted to lay claim to new mental patterns that, being different, are regarded as superior, possibly on the grounds of novelty.

Anyway... the dream inspired me to respect the gender gap more and realize that the tomboy phases of my youth were probably nowhere near as similar to actually being a boy than I naively believed at the time.

So I have no idea what I'd be like as a guy.

I just know my name would have been Stephen.

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posted May 27, 2015 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by mercuranian:

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No,
I was going to say that men today spend their 20s hooking up with easy women thinking that they will have the option to get married and settle down in their 30s. Unfortunately alot of these men enter their 30s with illegitimate children from said loose women,tons of money owed in child support,and yes... Declining looks. So alot of these men simply aren't attractive marriage prospects anymore.
At this same time the decent women that they ignored in their 20s and want to marry now are hitting their stride and have settled into their families and careers. And this makes 30,40,and 50 something men angry and bitter. They can't handle seeing women actually having options and power. I know you'll deny it but I see it on a daily basis. These old single men are constantly trashing women their age and calling them ugly and sexually obsolete.

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LOL, I see what you did there, Faith. It works both ways AG, it is not just a woman's fault as usual. I find it somewhat sexist that you have chosen to focus on a woman's appearance as her ultimate deciding factor on being worthy of marriage. It is also sexist to imply because a woman god forbid hits 30, is all of sudden worthless because her appearance "declines."

I think it is extremely shallow to say someone isn't an attractive marriage prospect because they OH NO get a wrinkle or two.

I actually know plenty of women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s who are aging beautifully in appearance and character. But I also know plenty of these women who are dating men their own ages without a problem, which is supported by the research.

The problem with your discourse is also that you are ignoring the fact some men in their 50s, 60s see young woman as a 'reward.' They deserve to have someone young and sexy, and act like borderline ebophiles towards 18-year-olds. Again, both genders engage in negative and positive dating rituals.

posted May 27, 2015 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

I was actually referring to studies such as this one which looks at elderly women who would have been in their 20's back in the 1950's: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080729133605.htm, and this study that verifies what I said about old women being substantially more likely to live in poverty than old men: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/women/report/2008/10/08/5103/the-straight-facts-on-women-in-poverty/. So, you know, actual data as opposed to bitter anecdote. But OK then. You can be wrong if you want to

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posted May 27, 2015 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Fun to rewrite this from another perspective.

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Yeah but that's only if you keep your focus on people who aren't up to your standards.

Other people are much more easygoing and friendly, on both sides of the gender divide.

So they don't automatically drag you through the mud for having had an "illegitimate child" (as if a person can be illegitimate) in your teens or twenties, whether you were the father or the mother, whether it was a mistake or part of a relationship that didn't work out.

They have compassion, in other words.

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posted May 27, 2015 07:48 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
LOL, I see what you did there, Faith. It works both ways AG, it is not just a woman's fault as usual. I find it somewhat sexist that you have chosen to focus on a woman's appearance as her ultimate deciding factor on being worthy of marriage. It is also sexist to imply because a woman god forbid hits 30, is all of sudden worthless because her appearance "declines."

I think it is extremely shallow to say someone isn't an attractive marriage prospect because they OH NO get a wrinkle or two.

I actually know plenty of women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s who are aging beautifully in appearance and character. But I also know plenty of these women who are dating men their own ages without a problem, which is supported by the research.

The problem with your discourse is also that you are ignoring the fact some men in their 50s, 60s see young woman as a 'reward.' They deserve to have someone young and sexy, and act like borderline ebophiles towards 18-year-olds. Again, both genders engage in negative and positive dating rituals.

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posted May 27, 2015 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Faith,
It's not about compassion or a lack of compassion. It's just a fact that most men would rather have their own children than raise some other man's kids. This is also true for women sometimess but doubly so for men.

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You could use more compassion towards women, that is my point.

You have an unhealthy, sick obsession with everything women do wrong.

I cannot imagine spending my days going on man-hating forums and wasting my mental energy fomenting hatred towards men. It's a totally bizarre, counterproductive activity.

I see absolutely no reason for it.

posted May 27, 2015 08:12 PM            

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You could use more compassion towards women, that is my point.

You have an unhealthy, sick obsession with everything women do wrong.

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posted May 27, 2015 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Nah, I just snatched the edges off of someone, so we both are getting scolded. We can go to jail together then, like always

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Hope you don't get tired of me playing Jailhouse Rock....

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Transitions certainly would involve a very intense emotional journey. I know some people who transitioned always felt like a woman/man, and caused considerable emotional turmoil being in the 'wrong' body so to say. It also depends on how they define their gender. Some people for example, Laverne Cox, identify as female with male parts (didn't have surgery). Whereas others do have the full blown surgery. For transgender situations, I think the spectrum is a lot broader in gender reversals, simply because the degree to which they choose to transition will vary and it isn't right to say someone isn't 'male' or 'female' because of their anatomy.

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I agree there is a spectrum and my point is, I hope the language remains spectrum-sensitive and complex. I don't think a born male is the same as an F2M, and I like to see distinctions drawn and explored along those lines. The experience of one does not invalidate the experience of the other, but sometimes I think people are afraid to ask, afraid to give offense...so fear becomes an ingredient in the cultural discussion, manifesting as a silent and questioning spot usually (at least, it seems so to me), as the transgender population begins to soar.

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posted May 27, 2015 10:05 PM            

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I never said looks are the primary factor, I just said they are a factor.I also mentioned children and emotional baggage. Studies have shown that age and the amount of sexual partners a woman has been with directly correlate to how long her marriages last. A woman who gets married young and is a virgin has a much better chance of having a lasting and happy marriage than the woman getting married on the wrong side of 30 that has been with a dozen or more guys.

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You realized you just proved my point by **** shaming? I'm going need you to source this fact above, because research doesn't really support that. If anything, it is the opposite.

posted May 27, 2015 10:07 PM            

This is true!

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posted May 27, 2015 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You could use more compassion towards women, that is my point.

You have an unhealthy, sick obsession with everything women do wrong.

I cannot imagine spending my days going on man-hating forums and wasting my mental energy fomenting hatred towards men. It's a totally bizarre, counterproductive activity.

I see absolutely no reason for it.

It's stupid.

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posted May 27, 2015 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I agree there is a spectrum and my point is, I hope the language remains spectrum-sensitive and complex. I don't think a born male is the same as an F2M, and I like to see distinctions drawn and explored along those lines. The experience of one does not invalidate the experience of the other, but sometimes I think people are afraid to ask, afraid to give offense...so fear becomes an ingredient in the cultural discussion, manifesting as a silent and questioning spot usually (at least, it seems so to me), as the transgender population begins to soar.

It goes without saying, I hope, that I believe there should be room for everybody to live as they feel they should, within moral/legal limits, and to be loved for who they are.

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posted May 27, 2015 10:39 PM            

Sensitivity and listening to people tell their stories. The discourse will hopefully evolve to the better understanding of all.

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Originally posted by mercuranian:
hahahaha - that sounds terrible! no thanks!

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I think some girls do want this, some guys, too....but it hardly ever works out. I know plenty of girls who lost their virginity to guys who claimed to want to marry them, and then the guys dumped them.

Oh but hey, always the girls' fault.

Also, I think men who adulate virgins are never even content with their virgin brides after they are no longer virgins.

posted May 27, 2015 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The only difference with him and some of you on here( not everyone) is that HE is brave enough to talk about it while you hide and judge him

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I don't HIDE and judge him. I'm right here talking to him. Notice?

And I'm friends with him. I've told him many times and in many ways that he's a misogynist, but I like him anyway. He KNOWS.

posted May 27, 2015 10:56 PM            

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posted May 27, 2015 10:57 PM            

Words mean things!

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