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Topic: Gender reversals
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Aquacheeka
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posted May 28, 2015 09:19 AM
  
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
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Can I be frank? Who cares? Let the men who don't like women be MGTOW. The probably with these men is that they're NOT going their own way. If they WERE, they'd be focussed on male-oriented things and activities. They'd fo us on themselves and their cfriends like a normal single person does. The problem wkth MGTOWs is that they never shut up about women! They'd be a lot more convincing if their every single thought didn't revolve around women!!!
Can I be frank? You are like the epitome of everything I've ever talked about on here. That's why you get so angry and snarky when I say these things. Sometimes the truth hurts. But don't worry I have nothing against you even though you act hateful towards me. [/B][/QUOTE]
Aquaguy, I don't hate you. I wouldn't be friends with you on Facebook if that were the case. What is hateful, pointing out that you're pulling factually inaccurate $hit out of your a**? I think you're extremely whiny, self-pitying, and inconsiderate. It's like you really don't care that the people who come here may not want to see Sweet Peas have every thread turn into the aquaguy show and his various problems with women. How can you expect to have a relationship when you are so self-involved and oblivious to the feelings of others? Relationships are about TWO people and you think the universe revolves around you. And frankly, I think you should leave Lindaland. I don't know what you are doing here if you think all women are the same and incompatibility or differing needs has nothing to do with why a relationship might fail. Why not just stick to your "men going their own way" sites if all you want to do is whine about women all day long?
Also, that's really funny. I wasn't aware I was a single mom. That's news to me.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well that's the beauty of these forums isn't it? If you don't like what I have to say you can ignore me. But people argue with me and keep it going so they are just as responsible for the arguments. It's kind of like all the women that would call in and argue with Tom Leykis when he was on the air. They would tell him he was horrible and hateful and he upset them and he would remind them that they could always change the channel. [/B][/QUOTE] So your answer to 'you're extremely self-centred' is 'so what?' Imagine a woman had a response like that to that accusation. We already know what you would say about her. Hardly the sentiment of an actual nice person, as opposed to a self-declared one. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted May 28, 2015 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
So your answer to 'you're extremely self-centred' is 'so what?' Imagine a woman had a response like that to that accusation. We already know what you would say about her. Hardly the sentiment of an actual nice person, as opposed to a self-declared one.
So saying what I want to say like anyone else on this forum means I'm selfish and not a nice person? I disagree... I'm always nice and friendly to anyone who reaches out to me or needs someone to talk to off the forum regardless of how they may have responded to me here.
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MoonWitch
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posted May 28, 2015 09:34 AM
As for the OP, sometimes I imagine what it would be like to be a man. I can't really say what I'd be like because all my life experiences would have been different, especially my childhood. I know that ideally I'd hope the same core person would be inside.IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
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posted May 28, 2015 09:36 AM
This made me laugh the other day. Elliot Morgan talking about guys that call themselves nice guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQBmNJSC3MQ IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 28, 2015 09:43 AM
So... Ive been thinking about why these debates bother me and why I generally don't pick sides and don't get overly involved.I think I've found my answer...
I am angered and maybe also a little disappointed, that so many people in the world place the "responsibility" for their happiness *onto* someone else, or *onto* a group of people, or a state of affairs, or the government, or a deity... or whatever/whoever else. The reality (as I see it) is that YOU are primarily responsible for your personal happiness, for your life, for your health, for your choices and the outcomes of those choices. No one (and no statistic) can either make or break you.
Nor can these things give you an excuse to hate life and feel like a victim of "misfortunate" circumstance. Even if the latest statistics from *insert popular world-acclaimed University study* stated that: 99% of women (or men... or both) - are likely to end up below the poverty line within the next two years - and you *did* in fact become one of these individuals - it would STILL be (at least in part) as a result of your own actions, or lack thereof. I don't like the idea of taking away accountability from the individual - in favour of the group.
It is basically like saying that the group's power overrides that of the individual.
This rhetoric ignores the fact that each individual is endowed with personal power and hence they are both: ABLE to overcome any challenges life throws their way, and secondly - have no excuse for failing to do so. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted May 28, 2015 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
This made me laugh the other day. Elliot Morgan talking about guys that call themselves nice guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQBmNJSC3MQ
typical bs...
I read the comments and they are infuriating. So if women constantly complain about a lack of decent guys and nice guys chime in and bring attention to the fact that they are nice guys and are largely ignored by women they aren't really nice guys by default? Because that seems to be the consensus!! nice guys wouldn't have to bring attention to the fact that they were nice if women weren't constantly playing the victim and saying "where are all the good men?" Let me tell ya.... As a decent guy it is infuriating to hear women say that sh*t when I'm ignored by women and I'm a decent guy. Its like a slap in the face.That's why I purged the majority of women from my Facebook friends list. I was constantly seeing women post statuses about how some douchebag broke their heart or cheated on them and how everyone supported them. But if a guy dares to criticize women and tell them they are part of the problem he is a P.O.S and isn't a nice guy. But its completely different when women blame their relationship failures on the men THEY CHOSE. I couldn't handle seeing that nonsense anymore so I deleted 99% of the women from my Facebook.
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Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted May 28, 2015 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MoonWitch:
[b]This made me laugh the other day. Elliot Morgan talking about guys that call themselves nice guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQBmNJSC3MQ
typical bs...
I read the comments and they are infuriating. So if women constantly complain about a lack of decent guys and nice guys chime in and bring attention to the fact that they are nice guys and are largely ignored by women they aren't really nice guys by default? Because that seems to be the consensus!! nice guys wouldn't have to bring attention to the fact that they were nice if women weren't constantly playing the victim and saying "where are all the good men?" Let me tell ya.... As a decent guy it is infuriating to hear women say that sh*t when I'm ignored by women and I'm a decent guy. Its like a slap in the face.That's why I purged the majority of women from my Facebook friends list. I was constantly seeing women post statuses about how some douchebag broke their heart or cheated on them and how everyone supported them. But if a guy dares to criticize women and tell them they are part of the problem he is a P.O.S and isn't a nice guy. But its completely different when women blame their relationship failures on the men THEY CHOSE. I couldn't handle seeing that nonsense anymore so I deleted 99% of the women from my Facebook.[/B][/QUOTE]You really don't seem like a decent person to me. I mean, you are literally saying that anytime a woman is mistreated by a man, it is always her fault for having been with him in the first place. She is responsible for his actions. You literally are not capable of compassion for another human being if that human being has a different set of genitalia than you.
You know what my ex did to me while intoxicated. Despite this, I still don't think he was a bad person. He was a human being who happened to struggle with extreme social anxiety (which in part caused him to drink). When drunk he could be angry and mean. I hope he addresses these things and is able to lead a happy life. I think we all struggle with our issues. I don't designate someone as a bad person lightly. So it says a lot that I'm not sure that I would deem you to be a good one fundamentally. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 28, 2015 10:19 AM
^ He has Asperger's.IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 28, 2015 10:22 AM
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A lack of demonstrated empathy has a significant impact on aspects of communal living for persons with Asperger syndrome.[2] Individuals with AS experience difficulties in basic elements of social interaction, which may include a failure to develop friendships or to seek shared enjoyments or achievements with others (for example, showing others objects of interest), a lack of social or emotional reciprocity (social "games" give-and-take mechanic), and impaired nonverbal behaviors in areas such as eye contact, facial expression, posture, and gesture.[1]
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Odette
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posted May 28, 2015 10:25 AM
AG - I'm mentioning this because I have never seen you as "bad" or negative when you go down this path - time and time again.
I actually think you have problems in being able to empathise with the women you mention. I don't feel like you can put yourself in their shoes, and I think this might be related to your Asperger's symptoms.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted May 28, 2015 10:44 AM
AC,
Oh that makes a lot of sense! You rationalize and defend the guy who hit you but I'm the scum bag? Well listen here... I'm the type of guy that is nice to everyone unless they give me good reason not to be,man or woman. I am generous to a fault and try to help anyone I can. I have always been and continue to be nice to women even though I may not agree with everything they do and get irritated with them more often than not. Just the other day I gave a young woman $20 because she was out of gas. I did that without a second thought. And yes, because I'm that type of guy, It ****** me off when I hear that women are dating scum bags. I can't help it, I'm human. But most of the time I can put that aside and be a good guy without prejudice. But I can't do that for you after what you just said. I'm done with you and have nothing more to say. I rarely get to this point with people but you just crossed that line. CongratulationsIP: Logged |
MoonWitch
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From: The Beach
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 28, 2015 10:53 AM
I don't complain about lack of nice guys or good men and I am a woman.  . Granted, I don't count to some people because I am not a young beautiful virgin but that's alright. People in general are flawed. There are jerks of all genders. If you find a person you like and that likes you then that's amazing - whether friend or something else. I've found whenever been happiest with myself I don't have to worry about other people. People of like mind come around - or I'm just happy being me and that's enough. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted May 28, 2015 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
AG - I'm mentioning this because I have never seen you as "bad" or negative when you go down this path - time and time again.
I actually think you have problems in being able to empathise with the women you mention. I don't feel like you can put yourself in their shoes, and I think this might be related to your Asperger's symptoms.
Odette,
I don't have empathy for people that cross that line. I have always been nice to Anyone that has ever reached out to me from LL and wanted to talk to me about anything. I have even had a few women confide in me about their dysfunctional relationships and despite the fact that is a sore spot for me I lended an ear. I have also tried to be nice to AC despite the fact that she has repeatedly been rude and hateful towards me. And then she stoops so low as to say that I'm a bad person while defending the guy that hit her. Talk about a dagger though the heart. I can't have empathy for that.
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Ami Anne
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posted May 28, 2015 11:43 AM
AQYou are seeing AG through eyes of your own pain, not as he is imo I know you are a sweet person and have been through a lot, as we all have. However, he is an amazing person, too! ------------------
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Aquacheeka
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posted May 28, 2015 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
AC,
Oh that makes a lot of sense! You rationalize and defend the guy who hit you but I'm the scum bag? Well listen here... I'm the type of guy that is nice to everyone unless they give me good reason not to be,man or woman. I am generous to a fault and try to help anyone I can. I have always been and continue to be nice to women even though I may not agree with everything they do and get irritated with them more often than not. Just the other day I gave a young woman $20 because she was out of gas. I did that without a second thought. And yes, because I'm that type of guy, It ****** me off when I hear that women are dating scum bags. I can't help it, I'm human. But most of the time I can put that aside and be a good guy without prejudice. But I can't do that for you after what you just said. I'm done with you and have nothing more to say. I rarely get to this point with people but you just crossed that line. Congratulations
AG, when I posted here what had happened and why I had to abruptly end the relationship, do you remember what you said? You said I should have seen it coming because I had dated a "bad boy." You are so irrationally attached to your theory that you will defend it even when you are obviously wrong. Someone who struggles with social anxiety and who spends all their evenings inside reading philosophy books and watching movies, someone with very few friends and only family to support them, someone who is a college graduate with a history of depression in high school - is NOT a stereotypical "bad boy." When I pointed this out, you said I MUST have been drawn to his "bad boy" qualities like spontaneity in the beginning. I asked you what is spontaneous about being an introvert who likes to read books and listen to music. The only reason he'd had the guts to ask me out is because he'd been drinking at the time. I'm not rewarding him for his behaviour. I broke up with him immediately when it occurred and we are no longer in contact, so to say I wish him well in life and hope he stops drinking so that he can have a functional life and relationship is not the same thing as sticking with someone who is dysfunctional. But to say and imply as you did that I DESERVED what happened to me because I had deliberately sought out a "scumbag" is where you had crossed the line with me. And you just keep crossing it. You just admitted that you deleted all the women you knew from Facebook because some of them had written that they had been cheated on by their exes. OK, so now a woman gets cheated on by a man, that is her fault as well? You can't admit to hating all women for having bad things happen to them, or the "audacity" to have failed relationships and be sad about it for awhile, and then claim to be a good person.
I'm not sure that my ex is a good person, either. I would put him on your level in that sense, hence the comparison. Good people can do bad and regretful things. They can make mistakes. The difference is that they recognize it and want to correct it. They feel remorse. Even self-loathing. They feel empathy. You demonstrate none of these things and you never have. Only arrogance and self-obsession. When you say something sickening, you don't even recognize that this has happened. You think it's normal and that it's EVERYONE ELSE that is wrong to be mortified or offended by it. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted May 28, 2015 12:30 PM
So to be clear, according to aquaguy, if a woman gets into a years-long relationship in her 20's and ends it for a perfectly legitimate reason like abuse or infidelity, it's her fault for choosing a guy who would end up abusing or cheating on her. Even if she ends it after a single instance of either, it is still her fault because she should have been psychic and in control of his actions. God help her if she was weak and attached and stayed beyond a single instance - then she REALLY loves 'bad boys' and isn't just attached to the wrong person as well as having internalized cultural narratives about how relationship failures are synonymous with personal failure.If she ends said relationship at the age of 30 or above, it is her fault for being too old, and she doesn't deserve to find a mate anymore because she's no longer in her "prime." If she has several relationships in her 20's that end for various reasons on her part or the guy's or both, it is her fault for no longer being a "quality" woman because she is no longer a virgin. She should have found a guy like aquaguy who hates women at the age of 20 and married him immediately and never gotten a divorce. Oh, but we can't forget how women shouldn't work outside the home or be able to feed themselves or anything and would be much happier if only they relied on all of these so-called "nice guys" for their very livelihood. What could go wrong? IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted May 28, 2015 12:38 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how people twist other peoples words. Yeah, I'm not even going through this again. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted May 28, 2015 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
AQYou are seeing AG through eyes of your own pain, not as he is imo I know you are a sweet person and have been through a lot, as we all have. However, he is an amazing person, too!
I'm seeing him through his words and nothing else.
Yes, we've all been through something, as you said.
We all know how frustrating dating can be. That's by necessity. How can it possibly be easy to find someone who can meet most of your needs for the next 40-60 years? For those who manage to do so with minimum effort, they're very fortunate and I suspect these people know this. We've all been through something, as you said, and I'm no exception. But you don't see me turning around and blaming the culture for "ruining all of the men." I knew even when what happened to me happened to me that there were good guys out there who would be compatible with me for the long-term and who would never even dream of assaulting me drunk or otherwise, and I'd just have to dust myself off again and make an effort to go find him. But to aquaguy, it's not enough that a woman would not blame all men for the actions of one man. As a woman, I shouldn't even be upset about the poor actions of ONE man or allowed to vocalize that because "I chose him." Meanwhile, we are all supposed to sit here and listen to him moan all the live long day about all women. AG says he is a proud misogynist. How can you say that a proud misogynist who clearly lacks empathy for half of the human race is a sweet person? Sorry, but it does not compute. I think it's possible that he was at some point, but it's obvious that he's allowed his bad experiences to sour him to the point where he isn't anymore, at least not right now. My hope is that he's young and he matures but I guess that would depend on whether you think that being a bigot or a fundamental lack of empathy can be overcome. If it's neurologically based as Odette said, then my feeling is that's a no.
I stand by what I said before. I think if you don't respect individuality then you probably have no place on an astrology forum. People are different. They have different needs and unique life challenges as indicated by their natal chart. How they choose to deal with those challenges will determine their character. Someone who doesn't recognize that doesn't really belong here.
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aquaguy91
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posted May 28, 2015 01:01 PM
You may be reading my words but they are being distorted as they pass through your irrational and hyper emotional lense. I have tried to reason with that type of emotional hysteria from other LL members in the past and it didn't do any good and was just a headache and a waste of time.So I'm not going to waste my time trying to do that here. So you are free to interpret what I have said anyway you want.IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted May 28, 2015 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You may be reading my words but they are being distorted as they pass through your irrational and hyper emotional lense. I have tried to reason with that type of emotional hysteria from other LL members in the past and it didn't do any good and was just a headache and a waste of time.So I'm not going to waste my time trying to do that here. So you are free to interpret what I have said anyway you want.
Just one question: Why are you on this forum? This is a female-dominated forum, and you hate women. Enough that you deleted 99% of them from your Facebook. Again, those are your words. I'm not distorting them, you said that you did that. You obviously have no desire to see anything that women have to say because you're filtering it through your hyperemotional and irrational hatred of the XX chromosome. It's pretty obvious that there is only one woman here who really wants to hear you insult and complain about women repeatedly. So why are you here? Serious question.
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Ami Anne
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posted May 28, 2015 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You may be reading my words but they are being distorted as they pass through your irrational and hyper emotional lense. I have tried to reason with that type of emotional hysteria from other LL members in the past and it didn't do any good and was just a headache and a waste of time.So I'm not going to waste my time trying to do that here. So you are free to interpret what I have said anyway you want.
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aquaguy91
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posted May 28, 2015 01:12 PM
Because I like lots of people here and it's a free country. I do not hate women but I do see lots of them and their dysfunctional lives as toxic and that's why I chose to distance myself from them and deleted the majority of them from Facebook. It was bringing me down IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted May 28, 2015 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
This made me laugh the other day. Elliot Morgan talking about guys that call themselves nice guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQBmNJSC3MQ
Very true. Every genuinely nice guy I've ever met has never referred to himself as a nice guy. Because nice guys are humble. So they'll occasionally - rarely - say things like, "Well, I just try to be a good person" when praised for being kind. If a guy goes on and on and on about what a nice guy he is... he's an arrogant prick 
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Ami Anne
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posted May 28, 2015 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Because I like lots of people here and it's a free country. I do not hate women but I do see lots of them and their dysfunctional lives as toxic and that's why I chose to distance myself from them and deleted the majority of them from Facebook. It was bringing me down
There are some people who are COMMITTED to misunderstanding you. I used to try to defend myself to these people. Now, I just ignore them because it is dumb to even answer them ------------------
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aquaguy91
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posted May 28, 2015 01:33 PM
And you seem to be stuck on the fact that I said that I wear the title of misogynist with pride. I clearly explained that I feel that way because I see words like that as simple shaming tactics and nothing more. Those words are used to silence people that rock the boat and I definitely don't mind rocking the boat. The word "misogynist" has no meaning to me, its just a word.I do not hate women. However,I do hate certain aspects of many women's behavior. But I think the culture brings out the worst in everyone these days. The most damaging belief people have today is you have to love everything about a person or you hate them. That is a lie.... You can disagree with people and be angry and still love them. You can criticize out of a place of love. When I say the things I say I am giving tough love. You can continue to label me as hateful while you continue to throw darts at me. I have said all there is to say.IP: Logged |
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