posted May 23, 2015 02:35 AM            

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In the sense that they didn't really get to make decisions or live for themselves.

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Hmmm... That's still very general AG.

I am entirely disinterested in what you believe feminism has to say re: women in history, or your comebacks to what you believe feminism is saying, or the comebacks 'mgtow' has to offer.

What I want to know is what YOU personally have to say re: women in history.

I literally want to know.. If you pick up a history book and you read historical facts (not the feminist perception of historical facts, JUST the facts on their own) - What is your personal take on certain things that have happened?
Forget feminism!

But ok... leave the topic of 'womens' issues' aside for a second...

I have another question -

Can you tell me a couple of things that have happened either at present/recently (or historically) towards gay people - that enrage you? Things that you believe should have never happened towards homosexual people?

posted May 23, 2015 02:57 AM            

So here is the first one:

At English Common Law:

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Husband and wife were one person as far as the law was concerned, and that person was the husband. A married woman could not own property, sign legal documents or enter into a contract, obtain an education against her husband's wishes, or keep a salary for herself. If a wife was permitted to work, under the laws of coverture, she was required to relinquish her wages to her husband.

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^ Straight from wiki - Not a feminist perspective on things.

This is just historical fact.

posted May 23, 2015 03:00 AM            

Regarding Marital Rape:

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The 17th-century English jurist, Sir Matthew Hale, stated the position of the common law in The History of the Pleas of the Crown (1736) that a husband cannot be guilty of the rape of his wife because the wife "hath given up herself in this kind to her husband, which she cannot retract". The principle, no record of which is found earlier than Hale's view, would continue to be accepted as a statement of the law in England and Wales until it was overturned by the House of Lords in the case of R. v. R in 1991

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And...

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In the United States, prior to the mid-1970s marital rape was exempted from ordinary rape laws. The exemption is also found in the 1962 Model Penal Code, which stated that "A male who has sexual intercourse with a female, not his wife, is guilty of rape if [...]"

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posted May 23, 2015 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
When people can't think for themselves, societies issues drive them. So, if everyone is telling you woman are not treated right, that becomes YOUR issue. It is a sheeple mentality.

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the same thing could be said of AG's point of view, no?

posted May 23, 2015 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by mercuranian:

the same thing could be said of AG's point of view, no?

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posted May 23, 2015 06:41 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
No,No.

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posted May 23, 2015 07:12 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
No,
My point of view has not been a cultural meme for decades.

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You have joined a men's group that shares the same view point, thus perpetuating said view point. You're no exception, time makes no difference.

posted May 23, 2015 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
You have joined a men's group that shares the same view point, thus perpetuating said view point. You're no exception, time makes no difference.

We are all guilty of it at some point. Just some more than others.

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posted May 23, 2015 08:46 AM            

I can't help but think that your views/MGTOW is all spawned from irrational assumptions as a result of some complex developed from bad experiences with women. I hope that's not the case; the whole thing sounds unhealthy.

posted May 23, 2015 10:06 AM            

There are certain topics that are USED to distract sheeple from REAL things that are going on like the true and very real loss of our freedoms.

Sheeple get all up in arms about these topics because sheeple cannot think for themselves.

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posted May 23, 2015 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
No, M

There are certain topics that are USED to distract sheeple from REAL things that are going on like the true and very real loss of our freedoms.

Sheeple get all up in arms about these topics because sheeple cannot think for themselves.

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posted May 23, 2015 12:27 PM            

1. Freddy Grey ----so people will not SEE the real agenda, which is a police force that is made national a la Hitler.

Hope that one point is not to esoteric fer you

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posted May 23, 2015 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
No, M

There are certain topics that are USED to distract sheeple from REAL things that are going on like the true and very real loss of our freedoms.

Sheeple get all up in arms about these topics because sheeple cannot think for themselves.

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posted May 23, 2015 02:12 PM            

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posted May 24, 2015 04:09 AM            

Because... ?

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Are we simply to not discuss the fact we... live in a rape-friendly culture

This is a rape-friendly culture.

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posted May 24, 2015 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
Originally posted by BellaFenice:
[b]Emma Watson, however, is legitimate.

Because... ?

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Are we simply to not discuss the fact we... live in a rape-friendly culture

This is a rape-friendly culture.[/B]

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Marginalizing the experiences of those in the US is unnecessary and an insult to anyone who has ever been sexually assaulted or raped, The US is a rape-friendly culture by the way victims are shamed and treated in the US and the way the media portrays it. Again, pain has no "threshold" and all pain should be honored. You might as well have thrown in the "mutilated genitals" ignorant comment I keep hearing.

posted May 24, 2015 08:42 AM            

Also as far as Taylor Swift being a feminist... meh. I don't buy it. She may have good intentions but I feel she is only declaring herself as such because she hangs out with Lena Dunham now. When you listen to her talk about it there's no passion behind what she's saying. For her I do believe it's more about her image and staying current.

posted May 24, 2015 01:29 PM            

(also i was told that they couldn't prosecute him on these charges because "it was my word against his" and "there were no other witnesses" ) -- how's that for some bulls*#*t!
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You were badly beaten... and they didn't take you

to the hospital?

Ambulance?

Rape kit?

You didn't include this part, last night.

That's astounding, considering the shape you were in,

and lawsuit worthy, to boot.

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posted May 24, 2015 01:35 PM            

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posted May 24, 2015 02:10 PM            

Nonsense.

No one has been marginalized, here.

And I'm not sure what you mean by 'how the media portrays it.'

Such a gross generalization...

Women in the US have recourse unavailable to those in many

of these middle-eastern countries.

We are not bound by a culture that believes a woman who

has been raped is a curse on the family, and needs to be

obliterated-- in the most literal sense.

Attackers are not given the option to marry their victims

in order to 'make it right,' in a court of law.

Victims are recognized for what they are: victims.

The fact that some in authority are insensitive (terribly so)

does not make our culture, as a whole, rape-friendly.

It is not.

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posted May 24, 2015 02:22 PM            

They can't think in an independent fashion. They repeat what they are fed like lemmings lol

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