posted May 24, 2015 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
E, these people are an example of why our current society is hopeless to ever get better.

They can't think in an independent fashion. They repeat what they are fed like lemmings lol

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posted May 24, 2015 07:44 PM            

Rape culture refers to the cultural practices that excuse or otherwise tolerate both sexual assault and rape. Again, it is inhumane to reject the pain and suffering of people because they do not fit narrow minded criteria that you have to meet a certain pain threshold.

In fact, even the trivialization, jokes, ignoring, and normalization of rape jokes is a contributor to rape culture. The US is a blatant example of rape culture due to the way the media portrays these issues and what societal norms expect. It is reflected in the justice system's apathy towards rape, victim blaming often seen in high profile cases, objectification of women in media, and desensitization of violence.

Examples of subtle actions promoting rape culture:

Pop music- blurred lines song:listen to the lyrics

Jail time- limited time given in jail for rape. but way longer sentences for drugs

Memes- many social media memes portray women as '***** who deserved it,' begging men for attention, mocking the way they dress, etc.

Athletes- when an athlete is accused of rape and/or assault, the victim is dragged through the mud and assumed to be a liar and a golddigger. Does Jameis Winston ring a bell?

Victims in college not being taken seriously when reporting their rapes. Why are the statistics so high in the college demographics and yet hardly anyone feels they can speak up?

Only 3% of rapists will ever serve time in jail

And people who deflect rape and sexual assault by claiming other countries have it worse so lets continue to ignore those who have suffered because obviously all rape and sexual assault is not the same

Here is a good link to educate yourself:

posted May 24, 2015 07:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
E, these people are an example of why our current society is hopeless to ever get better.

They can't think in an independent fashion. They repeat what they are fed like lemmings lol

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posted May 24, 2015 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
E, these people are an example of why our current society is hopeless to ever get better.

They can't think in an independent fashion. They repeat what they are fed like lemmings lol

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What you would like to focus my time on instead? If rape and sexual assault isn't a problem, then what is "it" I am missing? You take issue with every social justice thread, it seems as those you would rather live in a highly bigoted environment where only the privileged have rights.

You keep making this bizarre statement as your only argument yet you provide no explanation or proof as to what the 'secret' is.

Just because we don't gobble up every conspiracy theory doesn't mean none of us are independent thinkers. You actually are quite ignorant and seem to easily buy into outlandish theories that have no evidence or proof.

posted May 24, 2015 08:22 PM            

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posted May 24, 2015 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
instead of focusing on the fact that a man should have controlled his urges, but didn't.

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posted May 24, 2015 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Victim shaming = What did you do to make him/allow him to rape you? What did you wear? Were you alone with him? That sort of thing, instead of focusing on the fact that a man should have controlled his urges, but didn't.

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Not at all, this is a bit like "I drive a nice car so I got into an accident" mentality.

Assuming statistical data bares this out:

Revealing dress=public intoxication=higher probability of being raped is statistical fact, not subjective judgment.

Now "they asked for it" is utter ******** , if some factors lead to a higher incidence of rape then they should be examined objectively, not subjectively.

posted May 24, 2015 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Victim shaming = What did you do to make him/allow him to rape you? What did you wear? Were you alone with him? That sort of thing, instead of focusing on the fact that a man should have controlled his urges, but didn't.

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+1

Padre, I agree with you that most people who are close with the victim commit the rape, but that doesn't change the way victims can be stigmatized.

AG, would you rather have victims feel afraid to go to police because no one believes them. Only 3% of rapists actually go to jail, so the reality of a man being falsely accused and going to jail is very slim. Sure, it can happen, but the statistics are extremely low, as sufficient evidence is required to charge with rape. That goes for all rape though, regardless of the gender that commits it. You cannot charge someone with rape without evidence, that will never happen.

posted May 24, 2015 09:31 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
+1

Padre, I agree with you that most people who are close with the victim commit the rape, but that doesn't change the way victims can be stigmatized.

AG, would you rather have victims feel afraid to go to police because no one believes them. Only 3% of rapists actually go to jail, so the reality of a man being falsely accused and going to jail is very slim. Sure, it can happen, but the statistics are extremely low, as sufficient evidence is required to charge with rape. That goes for all rape though, regardless of the gender that commits it. You cannot charge someone with rape without evidence, that will never happen.

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posted May 24, 2015 09:31 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Eirlys, respond to me in normal paragraphs, it makes reading your responses way better. The Return key does not have to be your best friend.

Rape culture refers to the cultural practices that excuse or otherwise tolerate both sexual assault and rape. Again, it is inhumane to reject the pain and suffering of people because they do not fit narrow minded criteria that you have to meet a certain pain threshold.

In fact, even the trivialization, jokes, ignoring, and normalization of rape jokes is a contributor to rape culture. The US is a blatant example of rape culture due to the way the media portrays these issues and what societal norms expect. It is reflected in the justice system's apathy towards rape, victim blaming often seen in high profile cases, objectification of women in media, and desensitization of violence.

Examples of subtle actions promoting rape culture:

Pop music- blurred lines song:listen to the lyrics

Jail time- limited time given in jail for rape. but way longer sentences for drugs

Memes- many social media memes portray women as '***** who deserved it,' begging men for attention, mocking the way they dress, etc.

Athletes- when an athlete is accused of rape and/or assault, the victim is dragged through the mud and assumed to be a liar and a golddigger. Does Jameis Winston ring a bell?

Victims in college not being taken seriously when reporting their rapes. Why are the statistics so high in the college demographics and yet hardly anyone feels they can speak up?

Only 3% of rapists will ever serve time in jail

[b]And people who deflect rape and sexual assault by claiming other countries have it worse so lets continue to ignore those who have suffered because obviously all rape and sexual assault is not the same

Here is a good link to educate yourself:

http://www.marshall.edu/wcenter/sexual-assault/rape-culture/ [/B]

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I couldn't say it better myself Bella.

This crap is everywhere, and people are so loathe to admit their engagement and support of the media that it is given free reign to twist perceptions of what a "man" and a "woman" IS.

This has been burgeoning since the first "sex symbols" in the 50's.

posted May 24, 2015 09:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
To do that Aquaguy, people must disengage from ALL media. Including the so-called "independents" or "alternative".

And THINK for themselves.

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posted May 24, 2015 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Just in the past couple of years there have been lots of high status men accused of rape or sexual assault and all of them have been trashed by the media and the general public. Just in the past year 3 UT football players have been accused of sexual assault and two have been charged and are awaiting trial. All 3 were quickly kicked off the football team as soon as the allegations came out. They were punished long before they were ever charged. Don't tell me that there's a rape culture... It's just BS.... These cases have been close to home and I have seen how things have been handled. All 3 were starters and were treated as guilty from the start. Men like Jameis Winston **** you off because they were found not guilty. You want a 100% conviction rate for all men that are accused.

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False rape accusations/regret rape is a very very murky topic AG.

Is the System oriented to treat the accused as Guilty, with no trial date, no verdict etc?

Yessir

As an ensample, the accused rapist has their name publicized, the plaintiff..only afterwards unless the pop up in the media.

There are no simple answers to this all AG, really do know you adore reductionist theory, this is not a simple soap box issue.

To the point, suppose the accused is acquitted, the accuser still has emotional/mental/emotional issues for yrs afterwards

posted May 24, 2015 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Feminism has never tried to end due processing of claims. where on earth did you hear that? You need to provide evidence to prove this, because no way would anyone who vouches for equality for men and women do that. I hate to break it to you, but feminism doesn't have as much power as you think. Otherwise, women and men would actually be on equal footing right now.

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AG, you missed an important paragraph. I never said I wanted due processes removed (which is an absurd claim), recheck my posts.

posted May 25, 2015 03:32 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
No...
All it takes is people questioning what they are being told and seeing if it lines up with reality.

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True.

So let's look around.

I don't see many people truly living in reality. I see many people living out a false reality as shown to them by the media. Imitating roles they see, hear.

Now, we have TV that overtly SHOWS "reality", with "reality TV".

It's great Aquaguy, if you are able to engage in the non-reality, and remain unaffected by it. Seriously, it is.

But this is not the case for many.

I removed as much media from my life as I could, in part because I refuse to support a machine that distorts reality, but also in part because I wasn't convinced I could engage in it and still remain untouched by its poison.

Subliminal, and semi-subliminal messages and manipulation, are rife on TV.

posted May 25, 2015 05:08 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
The police question every person that accuses someone of a crime. This is not unique to alleged victims of rape or sexual assault. That's the way it should be! If you are accusing someone of a serious crime you should have proof on your side. If we let those standards slip in this area they will slip across the board and we will lose all of our rights and freedom.
One of the biggest lies of feminism is women never lie about rape or sexual assault. They do! And if feminists get their way women will have even more incentive to make false allegations.

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my face was so swollen i looked like the elephant man, and the police still treated me with a dismissive and accusatory attitude. i don't know what kind of more proof did they need to know i was not lying.

posted May 25, 2015 05:09 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
People wake up!
You are brainwashed! Women aren't taken seriously when they accuse men of rape and sexual assault? BS!!!! Anyone who lives in reality can see that this just isn't true. Think for yourselves people.

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uhhhhm wrong!! i know from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE!