posted June 18, 2015 12:43 PM            

We can think of ourselves as so tolerant that we miss the intolerance.

posted June 18, 2015 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Let me try this all over again.

What you are usually alluding to is a conspiracy theory that says we, the sheeple, are in for a hostile takeover by certain elites.

What I never understand is, how the people who say such things tend to subscribe to the reigning neoconservative foreign policy of the US government, whose debts are monetized by the Federal Reserve, whose currency is backed by military coercion and war crimes (see, it's a circle.) This neoconservative system has superinflated the military-industrial complex, making it materially feasible for a prison planet to exist.

So my question is, who's side are you on? Do you really even know? You've never demonstrated any specific awareness of these covert power structures that you constantly allude to, or bothered explaining how supporting gay rights actually functions in one way or another, to either stave off or accelerate world dominion by the elites, whoever you think they are.

Sorry for derailing (!) that's the only comment I will make.

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Reading the response to this literally made me laugh out loud.

posted June 18, 2015 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
But America is supposedly the "land of the free" and look at how it's affected the Middle East. I mean, American values at home appear to be all for freedom, but that same set of values, when transported abroad, can be even more violent than simple barbarism.

We can think of ourselves as so tolerant that we miss the intolerance.

Am I being annoying? I am...k, time to clean the house.

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Well, I think the "official position" that it's about ethics and human rights is a ruse. I think in reality the presence there is about fuel and money. So I think they are two separate issues, as one is essentially capitalism in its most ruthless form, and the other is about personal ethics and how they are policed on a societal level. Highlighting the lack thereof in the Middle East is just a diversion by the state-sponsored media to justify occupation.

posted June 18, 2015 01:39 PM            

I will give you credit on one thing. You seem to see medicine clearly. That is good!

I used to try to tell doctors how they were blind, but they didn't want to know and just hated me for trying to tell them.

It is wisdom to know when people want their blindness and I think I did find that wisdom lol

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posted June 18, 2015 02:01 PM            

Enthusiastic, informed, mutual consent = good.

Inadequate, misinformed, partial consent, or the complete lack of consent = bad.

Going from this, 2 consenting adults can do whatever they like with each other, and I genuinely do not care, nor do I comprehend why would anyone else care.

posted June 18, 2015 02:13 PM            

Too bad you have your head in the sand so much because peadophilia is coming next.

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posted June 18, 2015 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Too bad you have your head in the sand so much because peadophilia is coming next.

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I don't live in the US, so you are better placed to comment than I am, on how things are going over there. But I can't see how this can happen, and I'm very well educated in political and social studies so at least theoretically I know what I'm talking about.

How do you think this will happen Ami?

Will the legal age limit for sexual intercourse drop?
Would they start moving it gradually to 16, 14, 12 and so on?
Or would they remove age requirements for sexual intercourse out of the US legislation altogether?

posted June 18, 2015 02:30 PM            

I have seen articles in which professors ask the question, "What is wrong with people who are attracted to children? Isn't it just an expression OF THEIR SEXUALITY?"

I will see if I can find some of the news stories I saw.

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posted June 18, 2015 02:37 PM            

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

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posted June 18, 2015 02:44 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:

Going from this, 2 consenting adults can do whatever they like with each other, and I genuinely do not care, nor do I comprehend why would anyone else care.

I don't see a correlation between accepting gay marriage (=2 consenting adults) and accepting bestiality or paedophelia (no adequate consent). We're more sophisticated as a society, to not be able to differentiate between consensual and nonconsensual sexual interactions.

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This times about a thousand.

posted June 18, 2015 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
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Going from this, 2 consenting adults can do whatever they like with each other, and I genuinely do not care, nor do I comprehend why would anyone else care.

I don't see a correlation between accepting gay marriage (=2 consenting adults) and accepting bestiality or paedophelia (no adequate consent). We're more sophisticated as a society, to not be able to differentiate between consensual and nonconsensual sexual interactions. [/B]

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posted June 18, 2015 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

Well, I think the "official position" that it's about ethics and human rights is a ruse. I think in reality the presence there is about fuel and money. So I think they are two separate issues, as one is essentially capitalism in its most ruthless form, and the other is about personal ethics and how they are policed on a societal level. Highlighting the lack thereof in the Middle East is just a diversion by the state-sponsored media to justify occupation.

America is a very opportunistic nation... always has been.

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Yes. I think Americans tend to think one rule should apply to us, and other rules apply to others. Freedom for us, decimation for others.

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posted June 18, 2015 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

Reading the response to this literally made me laugh out loud.

Faith, you have the patience of a saint . I know you're thinking what I'm thinking there lol.

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posted June 18, 2015 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
To me, the subject of sexuality is crystal clear.

Enthusiastic, informed, mutual consent = good.

Inadequate, misinformed, partial consent, or the complete lack of consent = bad.

Going from this, 2 consenting adults can do whatever they like with each other, and I genuinely do not care, nor do I comprehend why would anyone else care.

I don't see a correlation between accepting gay marriage (=2 consenting adults) and accepting bestiality or paedophelia (no adequate consent). We're more sophisticated as a society, to not be able to differentiate between consensual and nonconsensual sexual interactions.

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Yes. Very well said.

posted June 18, 2015 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You guys better get with the times

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posted June 18, 2015 03:31 PM            

I wish people would worship what they want on their own and leave the rest of us out of it in regards to how we should or shouldn't live as cognizant adults.

posted June 18, 2015 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Pedophilia will never be accepted.
That's absurd.

Pedophiles are not welcome at all in civilized society. There is no place, even in the corrections system where they can find acceptance.

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Yea, you think so??? Well, I have news for you!

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posted June 18, 2015 03:37 PM            

1. Do you permit a person to have sex with a child? yes or no?

2. Do you permit sex with animals? yes or no?

3. Do you EVER permit this under ANY circumstances?

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posted June 18, 2015 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
To me, the subject of sexuality is crystal clear.

Enthusiastic, informed, mutual consent = good.

Inadequate, misinformed, partial consent, or the complete lack of consent = bad.

Going from this, 2 consenting adults can do whatever they like with each other, and I genuinely do not care, nor do I comprehend why would anyone else care.

I don't see a correlation between accepting gay marriage (=2 consenting adults) and accepting bestiality or paedophelia (no adequate consent). We're more sophisticated as a society, to not be able to differentiate between consensual and nonconsensual sexual interactions.

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posted June 18, 2015 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I agree with Swan. All the people who jump on whatever is fed them by the news/culture, as we see on here over and over and over, like chirping lemmings are the REAL problem but, it is hopeless. These people will never see. They are arrogant on top of it

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I agree completely. Chirping lemmings ARE the real problem here.

posted June 18, 2015 04:06 PM            

Interracial and gay marriage is totally different. In those situations, people that didn't have rights were given the same rights as other people. With pedophilia and bestiality... Right now the laws and our own social mores protect the helpless. If we wanted that to be "accepted" then we would be throwing the helpless under the bus to be preyed on by sickos.

There is really no concept of the modern family, but I think society's concept of sexuality is disintegrating and blurring. We try to rabidly accept anything for the name of being progressive that we are trampling over a lot of issues.

Porn is now ok, accepted and normal. But it is really damaging to both men and women... for every person that healthily watches porn, there is another person that is mentally skewed by it. We accept a lot of sexual openness and having no hang ups about sex, but it kinda pressures people into feeling like they have to do more and be more. I wonder would men be so concerned about the size of their own penis if porn wasn't so readily available? and women think they need to do everything a man wants. Even if she might not be comfortable with it because right now, normal sexuality is being open and up for anything. If you aren't then you're a boring prude. And the message right now pretty much is if the man isn't getting what he wants sexually, he is justified in cheating or leaving for someone more willing, so it's he woman's responsibility to keep up.

posted June 18, 2015 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Yea, you think so??? Well, I have news for you!

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Where?

You just said that the news is lies? So I should believe yours instead?