posted June 19, 2015 09:30 AM            

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posted June 19, 2015 09:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What does it take to be a sheeple? What does it take to swarm like a herd of sheeple bees, all congratulating yourself on how "open minded" you are. It takes nothing. No courage. No strength and no bravery.

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Sheeple bees!

posted June 19, 2015 09:43 AM            

If it's a matter of child exploitation, child services are supposed to do something.

posted June 19, 2015 09:44 AM            

Stand up for the girls who have their genitals mutilated. Go on a Forum and say you don't believe in this.

Be public about it.

Then, I would respect you.

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posted June 19, 2015 09:47 AM            

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posted June 19, 2015 09:55 AM            

Who said anything about courage, Ami? I'm having coffee and watching my 5 year-old paint me a picture, and talking about social issues.

I don't need courage to go to LL.

posted June 19, 2015 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
*yawn*

Who said anything about courage, Ami? I'm having coffee and watching my 5 year-old paint me a picture, and talking about social issues.

I don't need courage to go to LL.

It's a leisure activity.

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I respect that. That is honest but the others think they are "great crusaders" What a friggin joke!

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posted June 19, 2015 09:58 AM            

I personally do volunteer work for an organisation in Africa, focused specifically on women with disabilities and mutilations. My job is to raise awareness and promote their cause both through offline and online media.

Do I need to submit my CV on this forum every time I share an opinion?

posted June 19, 2015 10:01 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
A menstruating girl is not a woman, sorry. For me, it started when I was age 9. There is a combination of physical, psychological and social factors establishing when a female is fit for child bearing.
And there are modern standards for that, in tune with global development, and these standards lead to fighting against child and teenage pregnancy/motherhood (still present in some traditional societies keeping a custom that was necessary for the survival of a minority/demographics, such as Romani and part of Indian and African cultures, customs which are no longer necessary nowadays and antagonistic to present days laws, mores, ideals etc.)

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Couldn't agree more.

I don't know much about paedophilia, but here we go...

The notion that supposedly growing acceptance of paedophilia is connected to "dying of traditional values" is ridiculous, to put it mildly. What about child brides???? Plenty of that in your beloved traditional societies, with firm beliefs, religion, where there's only one form of love, sexuality possible, allowed - heterosexual monogamy.

Paedophilia has probably never been as judged as today in western world. Just few decades ago it was completely normal and also celebrated to publish a love story between a girl and a grown ass man, written of course by a grown ass man. Lolita anyone? I wonder how the story would go if the real Lolita wrote it.

Oh and please, don't you dare write that a rape of (because that's what that is, no matter if the girl has agreed to marry after being brainwashed all her childhood) say 13 year old, is not a big deal, when she's been sold of by her father to a man of her father's age.
That apologizing some of you make, that a girl is sexually ripe at that age etc., that men can't help their "instincts" because they smell the ripeness of menstrual blood, is really making me angry.
I don't care if some of you have been sexually active at 13, that's not a normal age one should be having sex. If I think of me at 13, well, I just can't imagine it, it would harm me too much.

Jo B, I think it was you who wrote, that it's instinctual for men to be attracted to menstruating girls. Are you apologizing men for their perverted manipulating of girls that are in no way emotionally mature enough (as mature as those grown up men), gullible, easily manipulated? the power dynamics are so twisted, that can in no way be justified, not at least by saying it's in their "nature". I mean, not to mention the brain of child brides is not yet fully cognitively developed at that age...

How come we women are not instinctively attracted to boys who have just sexually developed? If it's natural, normal with men?

About the connections between paedophilia and all sorts of other sexualities, I mean that is just not worth of debating. Those of you who claim that remind me of aggressive religious freaks who lead campaigns in our country to prohibit homosexual marriages and other HUMAN RIGHTS. I am a supporter of homosexuality, their marriages, homosexual families, whole LGBT community, including all individual sexualities on the spectrum from asexual, demisexual, sexual, androgynous, nonbinary people etc. AND YET I AM IN NO WAY A SUPPORTER OF PEDOPHILIA. Is that clear enough?
(For those of you who are seeing ghosts and connections where there are none)

About consent... Comparing sex between two teenagers to sex between an adolescent and a 30 year old is bonkers. Haven't you heard of power dynamics, inequality, manipulation etc.?

Why I see eleven year old girls giving BJ's in school's toilets as problematic, even if the "receiver" is also 11 years old, is another topic, don't wanna go there.

Wow, this thread really pi*sed me off.

posted June 19, 2015 10:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I respect that. That is honest but the others think they are "great crusaders" What a friggin joke!

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We can't all be great crusaders like you.

I mean the way we type is cowardly but the way you type is bold.

posted June 19, 2015 10:08 AM            

If men ARE attracted to girls/young women when they hit puberty, if that is a true fact, there is no logical deduction to be made from that, that therefore they are entitled to act on their impulses.

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How come we women are not instinctively attracted to boys who have just sexually developed? If it's natural, normal with men?

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I don't know but there were some mothers at the early Bieber concerts who looked a little too excited if you ask me.

posted June 19, 2015 10:09 AM            

I don't have what they have.

I try to be bold and courageous in my small sphere of life.

I ask God to give me more faith, so I can be bolder.

I am a work in progress, as we all are.

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posted June 19, 2015 10:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Belba, I think you misread Jo B.

If men ARE attracted to women when they hit puberty, if that is a true fact, there is no logical deduction to be made from that, that therefore they are entitled to act on their impulses.

I don't know but there were some mothers at the early Bieber concerts who looked a little too excited if you ask me.

#Creepy

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I might have, if that is the case, I apologize, I really respect Jo B. But either way, there are many people out there making these kind of excuses, so I stand by my point.

posted June 19, 2015 10:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Belba:

The notion that supposedly growing acceptance of paedophilia is connected to "dying of traditional values" is ridiculous, to put it mildly. What about child brides???? Plenty of that in your beloved traditional societies, with firm beliefs, religion, where there's only one form of love, sexuality possible, allowed - heterosexual monogamy.

Paedophilia has probably never been as judged as today in western world. Just few decades ago it was completely normal and also celebrated to publish a love story between a girl and a grown ass man, written of course by a grown ass man. Lolita anyone? I wonder how the story would go if the real Lolita wrote it.

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posted June 19, 2015 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Great point!
And I love your entire post.
Don't get upset...although I did too In fact, I get partially mad partially laughing every time I see someone wearing tanga instead of a chastity belt babbling about the evil of progress and technology and the evil conspiracies on their latest generation smartphone/laptop, with one hand on their TiVo while sipping an ice-cold Coke they bought while driving their SUV from the beach where they enjoyed a topless tan

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posted June 19, 2015 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
I might have, if that is the case, I apologize, I really respect Jo B. But either way, there are many people out there making these kind of excuses, so I stand by my point.

Yeah, I know about those crazy mothers, but being a crazy fan is (normally) innocent enough besides, they were attracted to the whole hype, his fame, his music, his image and not necessarily primarily as a sexual object, which makes it not really a legitimate comparison :P

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It's ok Belba.
No I'm not apologizing for these kind of men at all, I think it's vile. Men should exercise control over their sexual feelings when they know it's either illegal (ie the other party is a minor), or the other party is non-consenting even they ARE over the age of consent. I think it's the abuse of power and control that they get off on. Some men might argue they have genuine "feelings" for children but I don't buy that. It was just interesting that the documentary highlighted paedophiles who felt genuinely ashamed of being attracted to young girls (or boys), and don't necessarily even act upon it, but that they couldn't help those feelings. It's still reprehensible in my book as I'm all about equality in sexual relationships - even bdsm and the "master/slave" thing with adults is something I could never relate to and actually despise personally.

It does make you wonder what has twisted these individuals at some point in their lives to make them like that. And then that brings in the "nature versus nurture" debate, which is probably another subject!

(Sorry I don't really have my thinking cap on atm so might not be making sense).

posted June 19, 2015 11:38 AM            

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posted June 19, 2015 11:58 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Ami, what makes you think that just because people post their views on an astrology forum, they don't act on them elsewhere?

I personally do volunteer work for an organisation in Africa, focused specifically on women with disabilities and mutilations. My job is to raise awareness and promote their cause both through offline and online media.

Do I need to submit my CV on this forum every time I share an opinion?

What kind of credentials do we need in order to voice opinions here? I don't seem to remember reading about any such requirements when I registered here.

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You don't need any, no one has to justify that they are socially active and volunteer to benefit the community. She's just deflecting as usual because as always her arguments hold no merit. I asked if her why she was a hypocrite when it comes to promoting conspiracy theories and instead she tries to shame everyone because we aren't brave or whatever.

USING THE CAPS EXCESSIVELY and bolding all of your apparent truths to exaggerate your point does not make your points valid and everyone else a sheeple.

And for all of the 'You should DO this while I call you names like a 12-year-old' I have yet to hear what Ami does for the community.

posted June 19, 2015 12:17 PM            

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You know who has courage? Pam Geller who had a free speech contest in Texas. Now, there are calls for her death. She stands bravely.You are laughable.

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posted June 19, 2015 06:56 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
You don't need any, no one has to justify that they are socially active and volunteer to benefit the community. She's just deflecting as usual because as always her arguments hold no merit. I asked if her why she was a hypocrite when it comes to promoting conspiracy theories and instead she tries to shame everyone because we aren't brave or whatever.

USING THE CAPS EXCESSIVELY [b]and bolding all of your apparent truths to exaggerate your point does not make your points valid and everyone else a sheeple.

And for all of the 'You should DO this while I call you names like a 12-year-old' I have yet to hear what Ami does for the community.

A homophobe telling me to volunteer and advocate for gay rights when I already do. Classic. [/B]

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posted June 19, 2015 07:43 PM            

It's inaccurate to generalize and say homosexuality is a gateway to paedophilia or bestiality, unless you can provide a strong argument (various academic research) for this. Heterosexual and religious people have been linked to paedophilia and bestiality. Do religious people touch on that? Yes, he just needs to be saved by Jesus. And then he does it again. Still needs Jesus. "Where is Jesus, pray tell?" "He's at East Jesus!" I just think it's obvious some people's solution won't work for everyone. We do oppress and condemn bestiality and paedophilia as a society and time will tell if we will continue to.

Unless there are strong arguments made without political or religious bias for why homosexuality would lead to paedophilia and bestiality, then the two should not be linked.

posted June 19, 2015 08:14 PM            

Thoughts?

posted June 19, 2015 08:17 PM            

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I don't think it's accurate to say this is a "debate"

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I wasn't sure what to call it.

posted June 19, 2015 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
To me, the subject of sexuality is crystal clear.

Enthusiastic, informed, mutual consent = good.

Inadequate, misinformed, partial consent, or the complete lack of consent = bad.

Going from this, 2 consenting adults can do whatever they like with each other, and I genuinely do not care, nor do I comprehend why would anyone else care.

I don't see a correlation between accepting gay marriage (=2 consenting adults) and accepting bestiality or paedophelia (no adequate consent). We're more sophisticated as a society, to not be able to differentiate between consensual and nonconsensual sexual interactions.

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Exactly. Consenting adults.
The rest is absolutely no one else's business, let alone that of religious institutions (most of which have a very shady background, including numerous documented cases of pedophilia).

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Going from this, 2 consenting adults can do whatever they like with each other, and I genuinely do not care, nor do I comprehend why would anyone else care.

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