posted June 18, 2015 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes. Very well said.

Only, the idea of consent can be played with. One can say that children are entitled to consent. One can say that since animals have no consent to being slaughtered for meat, neither do they have the right to protest rape.

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Yikes. Yes it's a grey area, but I'm going with that children are not fullycongitively developed so they don't have the ability to understand and truly consent. They can easily be manipulated.

posted June 18, 2015 04:19 PM            

This is part of some cultures and accepted. Did you know that?

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posted June 18, 2015 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Pedophilia will never be accepted.
That's absurd.

Pedophiles are not welcome at all in civilized society. There is no place, even in the corrections system where they can find acceptance.

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You're probably right, but I still wonder.

New York Times, October 2014:

Pedophilia: A Disorder, Not a Crime

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THINK back to your first childhood crush. Maybe it was a classmate or a friend next door. Most likely, through school and into adulthood, your affections continued to focus on others in your approximate age group. But imagine if they did not.

By some estimates, 1 percent of the male population continues, long after puberty, to find themselves attracted to prepubescent children. These people are living with pedophilia, a sexual attraction to prepubescents that often constitutes a mental illness. Unfortunately, our laws are failing them and, consequently, ignoring opportunities to prevent child abuse.

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Hmm~

The other dynamic that never gets discussed at all, are children who are sexually interested in adults.

Children may be interested in other children of the same gender, and they may be legitimately interested in switching genders, they can even have sex together at a young age without any legal repercussions, and become Teen Mom TV stars...but children may not be sexually interested in adults. But...what if they are?

Is it a disorder? Is it even worth talking about?

posted June 18, 2015 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I think so. I have been told that there are people trying to make pedophilia accepted but I don't know how legit that really is and how many people will go for hat. But if that is really actually happening right now.... Wow. That is just really really really sad to me. When I was in high school I dated a college aged guy and I wasn't ready for it and I feel like that really damaged me. And bestiality too. I have no words. In both situations, one part has all th power and control.

Interracial and gay marriage is totally different. In those situations, people that didn't have rights were given the same rights as other people. With pedophilia and bestiality... Right now the laws and our own social mores protect the helpless. If we wanted that to be "accepted" then we would be throwing the helpless under the bus to be preyed on by sickos.

There is really no concept of the modern family, but I think society's concept of sexuality is disintegrating and blurring. We try to rabidly accept anything for the name of being progressive that we are trampling over a lot of issues.

Porn is now ok, accepted and normal. But it is really damaging to both men and women... for every person that healthily watches porn, there is another person that is mentally skewed by it. We accept a lot of sexual openness and having no hang ups about sex, but it kinda pressures people into feeling like they have to do more and be more. I wonder would men be so concerned about the size of their own penis if porn wasn't so readily available? and women think they need to do everything a man wants. Even if she might not be comfortable with it because right now, normal sexuality is being open and up for anything. If you aren't then you're a boring prude. And the message right now pretty much is if the man isn't getting what he wants sexually, he is justified in cheating or leaving for someone more willing, so it's he woman's responsibility to keep up.

But if you're more concerned about getting your rocks off than a relationship, having a family, or raising children then it's a great time to live.

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Great comment.

posted June 18, 2015 04:50 PM            

Also, in those days when girls were dating or marrying men, they could also carry a gun, along with the men of the household, and if a rape took place, vigilantes would have taken care of revenge.

Yeah, times have really changed. Fast.

posted June 18, 2015 06:05 PM            

Here is the major flaw in this claim: animals have scientifically been proven to engage in m/m, f/f/, and m/f sexual relations. As much as it pains some people to open their minds to the fact sexuality is far more diverse than m/f, it actually fits nature. Therefore, homosexuality and bisexuality are natural and should be respected as such.

posted June 18, 2015 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I think so. I have been told that there are people trying to make pedophilia accepted but I don't know how legit that really is and how many people will go for hat. But if that is really actually happening right now.... Wow. That is just really really really sad to me. When I was in high school I dated a college aged guy and I wasn't ready for it and I feel like that really damaged me. And bestiality too. I have no words. In both situations, one part has all th power and control.

Interracial and gay marriage is totally different. In those situations, people that didn't have rights were given the same rights as other people. With pedophilia and bestiality... Right now the laws and our own social mores protect the helpless. If we wanted that to be "accepted" then we would be throwing the helpless under the bus to be preyed on by sickos.

There is really no concept of the modern family, but I think society's concept of sexuality is disintegrating and blurring. We try to rabidly accept anything for the name of being progressive that we are trampling over a lot of issues.

Porn is now ok, accepted and normal. But it is really damaging to both men and women... for every person that healthily watches porn, there is another person that is mentally skewed by it. We accept a lot of sexual openness and having no hang ups about sex, but it kinda pressures people into feeling like they have to do more and be more. I wonder would men be so concerned about the size of their own penis if porn wasn't so readily available? and women think they need to do everything a man wants. Even if she might not be comfortable with it because right now, normal sexuality is being open and up for anything. If you aren't then you're a boring prude. And the message right now pretty much is if the man isn't getting what he wants sexually, he is justified in cheating or leaving for someone more willing, so it's he woman's responsibility to keep up.

But if you're more concerned about getting your rocks off than a relationship, having a family, or raising children then it's a great time to live.

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posted June 18, 2015 08:24 PM            

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Cute

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posted June 18, 2015 08:46 PM            

Twenty years ago, I'll bet no one could imagine an American future where transgender was normal.

Now, anyone who takes issue with it is the weird one.

Almost like in 1984:
We were always at war with Eurasia.
We were never at war with Eurasia.

posted June 18, 2015 08:53 PM            

The total breakdown of everything--just as we are seeing the seeds( or more) now. The people who are screaming for it are screaming for something of which they have no idea.

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posted June 18, 2015 08:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
There was a TV documentary on British TV a while ago about paedophiles and one known paedophile allowed himself to be interviewed, knowing full well he ran the risk of being lynched. He talked of how he hated having sexual feelings towards children, he was totally ashamed of himself and wished he was different, but he just couldn't help it.

I think the problem is the age of consent (in the UK anyway) is 16 years old, however girls will usually have started menstruating between 12-14. I really do think that onset of menstruation marks their move into adulthood physically, even though emotionally they will still feel immature. So men will feel drawn to a young female who biologically is now a woman. It's such a difficult area. I'm not saying the age of consent should be lowered by any means (although no doubt teenagers will still have sex early if they want to). I understand how men may have sexual feelings towards pubescent girls, I cannot for the life of me comprehend how they'd have sexual feelings towards a child. To me, that is sick. And the fact is, most of these men know it's sick.

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It's interesting...well perversion goes everywhere and makes people do really truly crazy $hit. Even legally.

posted June 18, 2015 08:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]So you do tend to think, where will it end?

The total breakdown of everything--just as we are seeing the seeds( or more) now. The people who are screaming for it are screaming for something of which they have no idea.

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Well, I don't necessarily think that a break-down is bad, it could be part of a cycle of rebirth.

Scratch that: it's bad to the extent that there are victims and pain and confusion, but this could be part of a cycle of learning, is what I mean.

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posted June 18, 2015 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, Faith, if you trust human nature, then you may have the hope that the breakdown will result in a good outcome. If you believe the Bible about human nature, as I do, it will not happen like this, at all. These are the Biblical End times and you guys can laugh all you want but, at some point, you will not be laughing anymore lol

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posted June 18, 2015 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I'd MUCH rather risk going to hell than spend my life deriving satisaction about other people being put there for stupid reasons like, "You didn't read your Bible."

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I'm confused- the Bible promoted polygamy, bisexuality, and homosexuality numerous times.

I'm also aware the Bible says follow the Golden Rule: treat others the way you want to be treated. So the 'breakdown' of society by increasing the rights of humanity is not correct.

So which one is it? Did I read the wrong Bible? Technically the Bible is historical fiction* because we don't have proof the majority of it is true. Barely anything in there is proven to be factual, let alone the rapture. The world is going to be around for at least a thousand more years, if not more.

Heck, even Costco considers it to be fiction.

posted June 18, 2015 09:36 PM            

As I've said before, the biochemical process of desire is something that fascinates me.

From the medical end of things: I know there are certain curable conditions that apparently can cause perverted thinking...like extreme cases of candidiasis, as documented by William Crook in his seminal book, The Yeast Connection. In that case, if you eliminate the health concern, you eliminate possible immoral thoughts and impulses.

And I just read a book about a woman whose husband went on a freak raping spree after consuming huge quanities of junk food and energy drinks. (There's more to the story, the book is called Through the Glass, if anyone's interested.) Another book, Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill, talks about how many prisoners get violent only under the influence of foods and drinks they are allergic to.

Anyway the examples are endless. The idea is, simplistically speaking, dirty blood may predispose a person to dirtier thoughts, not that the two must always coexist, but there is enough causality to make at least some doctors optimistic that sexual desire can be normalized with therapeutic measures (detoxification, supplementation.) And normalized sexuality would probably eliminate problems such as the inability to climax except in a sado-masochistic setting, which I think is on the rise, due to the prevalence of porn. And of course, "normalized sexuality" is a politically awkward term at the moment, but all I mean is, restoring function so that a person can operate within whatever setting they desire. So they don't need to go to extremes to get interested.

Nothing bad about that.

posted June 18, 2015 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
I'm confused- the Bible promoted polygamy, bisexuality, and homosexuality numerous times.

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Yeah! And whatever happened to concubines, anyway?

Perfectly good idea. Like, if you only have 700 wives and are looking for something to spice things up, you need a concubine.

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
I'm also aware the Bible says follow the Golden Rule: treat others the way you want to be treated. So the 'breakdown' of society by increasing the rights of humanity is not correct.

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Well the Bible is screwy, no offense to Bible lovers, but it is. "Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me." Meaning, if you beat me with a rod for making a mistake, I'll thank you for it.

posted June 18, 2015 09:43 PM            

It is something you ARE. Mother Teresa was a sinner.

The most "holy" person you can think of was/is a sinner. Ted Bundy is a sinner in the same way.

His ACTIONS were worse but the nature of all men is a sin nature. That is the point of the Bible in one sentence.

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