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Topic: The Slippery Slope
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 28, 2015 09:51 AM
  
What is gonna happen with the churches, first of all, is that they will lose their tax exempt status as method of handicapping them. Watch and see what happens to the Christians and you will see. ------------------
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Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 3425
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 28, 2015 09:53 AM
People who collect money having to pay taxes.Just what is the world coming to? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 63258
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted June 28, 2015 09:55 AM
Trust me on this one, my Friends. This is NOT about who loves whom. ------------------
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Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto
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posted June 28, 2015 09:55 AM
Canadian churches maintain tax exempt status over 10 years after the legalization of all marriage.They shouldn't. It's a loss in potential tax revenue to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Furthermore, in Ontario (where I live) Catholic schools are funded by the government. They shouldn't be, either. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto
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posted June 28, 2015 09:57 AM
I'm not opposed to churches having to register as non-profits. That would force them to publish where the money is going and how much of it is being spent in the community.Tax exempt, there is no accountability. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted June 28, 2015 10:02 AM
I'll just leave this here. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 11454
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 28, 2015 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What is gonna happen with the churches, first of all, is that they will lose their tax exempt status as method of handicapping them. Watch and see what happens to the Christians and you will see.
Tax exempt status is not Biblical. It constrains the churches to preach according to the government's rules. Losing tax exemption would be a real blessing for God's people, enabling truth to prevail over censorship. After all, what does it profit a man to gain rices* but lose his soul? You know? *riches Though rices...they are also good. Red rice, brown rice, basmati rice...yum. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 28, 2015 10:04 AM
Jews and conservative Christians have the highest divorce rate in America.
Ami Anne, aren't you both?
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 63258
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 28, 2015 10:06 AM
enabling truth to prevail over censorshipTruth, to Bible believers is not homosexual marriage. That is our truth and we will be punished for having it. That is the point of what I am saying. This issue of gay marriage is a social issue and people will suffer for their beliefs, such as Bible believers like me and many other such people.
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Knowflake Posts: 1569
From: Rainbows
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 28, 2015 10:10 AM
Still waiting for an actual argument to discuss....*pin drop* *tumbleweed* ?? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 63258
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 28, 2015 10:11 AM
The upshot of this is that Christians will lose their businesses for their stands, which has already happened and many other similar things such as legal actions against the stands of Bible believing Christians. That doesn't seem to bother people, which is fine, but this is NOT about who loves whom.------------------
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Knowflake Posts: 1569
From: Rainbows
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 28, 2015 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]enabling truth to prevail over censorshipTruth, to Bible believers is not homosexual marriage. That is our truth and we will be punished for having it. That is the point of what I am saying. This issue of gay marriage is a social issue and people will suffer for their beliefs, such as Bible believers like me and many other such people.
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Ami, this whole thread is kinda pointless for anyone who does not believe the bible. There's no evidence to support the bible is *truth*, so why would there be any evidence to support legal gay marriage = legalisation of paedophilia? This would be better "discussed" on a specialist site for bible believers. You always go on about how people should think for themselves. Swallowing the bible, and ignoring the blatant breaches of human rights that it promotes is thinking for oneself? Yep. This is un-discussable.
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Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 3425
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 28, 2015 10:17 AM
Sooo let's recap, shall we?OP claims pedophiles will get rights to molest children if gays can marry; posts two-year-old article to validate point. Can produce no examples of other countries with legalized same-sex marriage that have legalized paedophilia. OP claims same-sex marriage will lead to private pastors having to marry same-sex couples or face legal repercussions. Can produce no examples of this in US states or other countries, even when blatantly asked. OP claims that American churches will lose their tax exempt status if same-sex couples can marry. I point out that churches maintain their tax exempt status (despite serious loss in tax revenue) 11 years after legalization in the country right next door. OP's response "This is about a war on the church." OP, I mean this in the nicest way possible, but... were you dropped on your head as a child? You seem to have some defective neurology. In all honesty though, we know you love to hear yourself speak, but this isn't about you or the average age 62-year-old bible thumper. Please get over yourself.
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Knowflake Posts: 1569
From: Rainbows
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 28, 2015 10:19 AM
And why is this even in here?If this is about a "war on the church", it belongs in Divine Diversities. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 3425
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 28, 2015 10:29 AM
I made a point that hardly anyone would marry if it weren't for government incentives.Actually, the lack of government incentives (including no tax breaks) for marriage is exactly why the marriage rate is substantially lower in Canada and Scandinavia than it is in the US. Gay couples want access to the same rights and incentives that straight people enjoy. Unlike some people around here, I generally only make assertions when they have been proven to be historically and factually valid. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 63258
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 28, 2015 10:35 AM
The other thing is this. You may think Christians are ignorant morons. You may laugh at them and mock them BUT if they lose freedoms, everyone does. In time, YOU may be on the wrong side of what is socially acceptable and YOU may lose your freedoms. That is the larger issue which is lost to most of you in your zeal to embrace what is "in the social mainstream"------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted June 28, 2015 10:37 AM
If I am a baker and don't want to bake a cake for a gay couple and I lose my business( which has happened) YOU should worry because one day YOU may want to stand up for your beliefs and the same will happen to you. You can't see it now, but MY loss of freedom is YOUR loss of freedom.------------------
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Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 3425
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 28, 2015 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The other thing is this. You may think Christians are ignorant morons. You may laugh at them and mock them BUT if they lose freedoms, everyone does. In time, YOU may be on the wrong side of what is socially acceptable and YOU may lose your freedoms. That is the larger issue which is lost to most of you in your zeal to embrace what is "in the social mainstream"
What freedoms did you lose yesterday, Ami? Care to elaborate? You still have your freedom of speech and religious worship. What you're asking for is social validation and to not have the general consensus be that you're a complete and total retard. Sorry, you're not guaranteed social acceptance under the Constitution. IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 11454
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 28, 2015 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Truth, to Bible believers is not homosexual marriage. That is our truth and we will be punished for having it. That is the point of what I am saying. This issue of gay marriage is a social issue and people will suffer for their beliefs, such as Bible believers like me and many other such people.
You miss my point. If the 501(c)3 church ministers were allowed to warn their congregations not to vote for politicians advancing a "gay agenda" then maybe you wouldn't have this problem. You don't see how the churches have compromised their values and allowed themselves to be co-opted, and therefore, they can't complain that they've been co-opted. IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 11454
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 28, 2015 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If I am a baker and don't want to bake a cake for a gay couple and I lose my business( which has happened) YOU should worry because one day YOU may want to stand up for your beliefs and the same will happen to you. You can't see it now, but MY loss of freedom is YOUR loss of freedom.
You're right about this, but the problem is not gay marriage, the problem is tyranny. You can fight tyranny without fighting gay marriage. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 63258
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 28, 2015 10:51 AM
Here is the thing. Freedoms are SACROSANCT. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to carry a gun etc etc etcLook behind all these "social movements" and there is loss of freedom, but it is COUCHED in something else like "who loves whom" ------------------
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 63258
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted June 28, 2015 10:52 AM
Here is the thing, Faith. You have children. Because of the slippery slope, your girls can have abortions without your knowing. The schools can send them. YOU don't want this. I know that. You need to listen to what I am saying because this gay marriage thing is the same slippery slope.------------------
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Faith
Knowflake Posts: 11454
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 28, 2015 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Here is the thing. Freedoms are SACROSANCT. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to carry a gun etc etc etcLook behind all these "social movements" and there is loss of freedom, but it is COUCHED in something else like "who loves whom"
"etc etc etc" Like freedom to marry whoever you choose.  IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 11454
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 28, 2015 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Here is the thing, Faith. You have children. Because of the slippery slope, your girls can have abortions without your knowing. The schools can send them. YOU don't want this. I know that. You need to listen to what I am saying because this gay marriage thing is the same slippery slope.
The gay-marriage bone is connected to the abortion-bone, sure, but what if I told you the preemptive war-bone is connected to the abortion-bone? What then? It's a messed up society, I don't think anyone is denying that, but we can still take measures to protect ourselves and our children as we see fit, and hope for the best.
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Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 3425
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 28, 2015 10:57 AM
Well, I don't have children, but I DID have a psychotic mother who would given me another set of lashings with the phone cord and leather belt and sent me to school with two black eyes covered by makeup if the school called to notify her I was pregnant.I will be in favour of parental consent before abortions just as soon as parents are required to be in the room when the girl is having sex. IP: Logged |
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