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Topic: The Slippery Slope
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Faith
Knowflake Posts: 11454
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 29, 2015 09:16 AM
  
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is my point. If a free society stops the freedoms of anyone, everyone is in danger.
The US stopped the freedom of gays to marry, but it fixed the problem, and now you are complaining. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Moderator Posts: 6573
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 29, 2015 09:17 AM
Btw, an irony I'd like to see explored more...speaking generally (there will ALWAYS be exceptions, pointing a couple out doesn't discredit the generalization) media for women tend to have a take charge men who rescues a woman (sometimes over and over again, I recall when I read Twilight that the Fates really had it in for Bella even when she wasn't being an utter moron who did it to herself  ). Of course he doesn't know what he wants and almost loses the woman before he realizes he can't live without her, blah, blah, and in extreme cases she can even be a Bella Swan or Anna Steele which becomes a best seller or blockbuster (primarily to women, plenty of guys dreaded when the next Twilight movie came out). Heck, I could make a case that Scarlett in Gone With the Wind wasn't much better (okay, she was a little better, but one has to work really hard to be as bad as Bella and Anna) even though she had a very tough, enduring side able to persevere. And interesting enough women tend to be the villains (usually who is an obstacle to her getting her man, though evil or insane mothers are another theme I've come across enough). Yet what are women like in flicks aimed at guys (again generally speaking)? Very different, instead of whiny things in need of saving and loving who sacrifice themselves until their man sees how special she is and he can't live without her they're kicking ass right along with (and sometimes better than) the men (interesting enough, the villain females can also be more compelling to the men than the heroines) and can even save the men (it's not he can't live without her, he'd be dead without her! ). Like so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifavh3ejhDE Forget Bella and Anna, that's the kind of women they typically pay to see on screen, and quite often she can be aggressive in both the romantic and sexual ways (though ice queens are common enough as well). Don't worry if you can't be like those women that the men pay to see, men can't be like the men in those movies either.  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 29, 2015 09:19 AM
The US stopped the freedom of gays to marry, but it fixed the problem, and now you are complaining.I can't believe you said that after all this ------------------
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Faith
Knowflake Posts: 11454
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 29, 2015 09:23 AM
Look at yourself, Ami.There are real people with a need to marry, a need to have the rights and privileges conferred on married people alone. And you want to forbid that. But you preach about freedom? Freedom that is reserved ONLY for people just like you is not freedom. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
Knowflake Posts: 1569
From: Rainbows
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 29, 2015 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
No, Faith. The US is the beacon of hope and freedom. If it goes, there is no place. For me, there is Israel and I will move there if it gets too bad here. But that option is just for Jews.So, basically speaking, if the US becomes oppressed, the greatest country in the whole world will be brought to the level of countries with fewer freedoms( many of which are severely restricted such as Iran etc with no rights for woman, gays etc) Reagan said that we are the last hope and we are. If stupid people( and I don't mean you, Faith) want to throw away their freedoms, they will regret it with all their hearts and souls, one day. I promise you that!
Your beacon of hope and freedom country is built on the slavery and blood of indigenous peoples, who took much better care of the earth than "America" does. But hey, so are most countries. Humanity has enslaved, raped and pillaged its way through time. The only true freedom in this world Ami, is that of the MIND. Anything else is an illusion or a platitude. Switch off the TV. Close the "news source". Cleanse your mind. Get out there and walk through the suffering of others, and remember what it is to be HUMAN. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Moderator Posts: 6573
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 29, 2015 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Which chick flicks feature dominant men? Can you give examples?
About all of them, though in some she can be a spitfire (but he's a take charge kind anyway). Let's see, off the top of my head (I haven't had breakfast yet) there's Twilight, Shades of Grey, Gone with the Wind, Dirty Dancing, heck even Ever After followed that formula despite trying to be feminist (though the prince didn't become take charge until the end and then it just falls back to the standard ending of man coming for her as the prince suddenly develops a spine, has to have her, and the evil women like her mother are punished, and all the liberal, feminist notions of the heroine seem to have evaporated). I don't watch that many (read more than I've watched), I just don't like them and think that such fare is why many women come to like men of that nature.
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 54585
From: Saturn next to Charmaine
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 29, 2015 09:35 AM
Not because you're a Capricorn, Faith. Because you're a woman. No woman wants that type of guy. A woman can't respect a guy with no spine. It's not about being bossy, though a lot of women like being told what to do (in the bedroom only). It's about accepting responsibility, doing things that need to be done no matter how unpleasant, and being confident in himself. If a man leads, a woman will usually naturally follow. That doesn't imply subservience. It's just what a lot of women prefer. It makes them feel attraction, desire, and happiness. If the man isn't a leader, the woman tends to take charge, and there's nothing wrong with that, but after a while, the woman will grow to resent the man for being so weak. IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 11454
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted June 29, 2015 09:41 AM
I've never seen Twilight, 50 Shades, Gone with the Wind.Yeah, Dirty Dancing was like that.... Pardon me while I just sit here salivating over Patrick Swayze for a second... .
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. But in my defense I am astrologically rigged to appreciate Leos, and they just tend to be like that.  ROTFL I can see where you are coming from, but I also see glimmers of reality in those movies, where the men show their weakness and vulnerability and it's the women who take charge, take a stand. It usually goes back and forth in real life and fiction. Because there's nothing interesting about a person who's just a drag or parasite (so they don't make movies about them) and there's nothing to sustain a relationship if one person is just a drag. K, gotta venture out to real life, have a good day, people.  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 63258
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 29, 2015 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Look at yourself, Ami.There are real people with a need to marry, a need to have the rights and privileges conferred on married people alone. And you want to forbid that. But you preach about freedom? Freedom that is reserved ONLY for people just like you is not freedom.
Anyway, Faith, we had a nice talk and were civil and kind to each other. That is a good thing! ------------------
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Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 3425
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 29, 2015 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Pixie
LMAO!! I know, right?! Pure comedy.
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aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 11479
From: Wankety Wankerson
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 29, 2015 09:58 AM
Voix,
You are correct when you say boys will pick what they are really interested in if they are left to their own devices. And guess what they will be interested in most of the time? Cars, tonka trucks, building blocks, toy guns etc. IP: Logged |
DopGang
Knowflake Posts: 172
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Registered: Jun 2015
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posted June 29, 2015 09:58 AM
^^^ @Faith I agree. I'm a man. Actually, it's such a relief when a woman is equally as capable as me and I her.
Trust
Support
Respect With those, it's a recipe for a long, loving relationship. Not just trust for reasons of faithfulness but trust that if something happens to me, she can, and will take charge and take care of me and I in return if something happens to her. Things of that nature. Respect for each other's decisions. To have consideration for what each thinks is important. To let yourself go and trust that your partner can and does make smart decisions and that even if it doesn't make sense to you, take the "risk". Let each other lead from time to time. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 3425
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 29, 2015 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
It is not in dispute that they are real.What I am pointing out is that they are created and promoted over millions of years. And, actually, boys of parents who don't push a gender ideal on the child, and monitor exposure to the gender-defining media, will play with anything he finds interesting, including dolls and prams. Source: My mother's 30 years as a nanny/nursery manager. The child is led by what is encouraged by the parents, and what he is exposed to via media. I will overlook your implication that I am feminist, as I'm not interested in a discussion that doesn't apply to me.
Actually, I never really liked playing with baby dolls. My mom is the one who told me that. I liked Barbies, though. Because they were adults.
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Bluejay
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posted June 29, 2015 10:03 AM
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 Thanks fenia! (Haha, your name was auto corrected to Dennis) I noticed quite a few Aquarius and Libra influenced people commenting here. Fitting for a debate about human rights and relationships. I'm an Aquarius AC too, with Scorpio Sun and Mercury, and Libra Moon.
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Knowflake Posts: 1569
From: Rainbows
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 29, 2015 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by DopGang:
^^^ @Faith I agree. I'm a man. Actually, it's such a relief when a woman is equally as capable as me and I her.
Trust
Support
Respect With those, it's a recipe for a long, loving relationship. Not just trust for reasons of faithfulness but trust that if something happens to me, she can, and will take charge and take care of me and I in return if something happens to her. Things of that nature. Respect for each other's decisions. To have consideration for what each thinks is important. To let yourself go and trust that your partner can and does make smart decisions and that even if it doesn't make sense to you, take the "risk". Let each other lead from time to time.
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Voix_de_la_Mer
Knowflake Posts: 1569
From: Rainbows
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted June 29, 2015 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Actually, I never really liked playing with baby dolls. My mom is the one who told me that. I liked Barbies, though. Because they were adults.
I liked barbies because they had cuttable hair. But most of the time I was up a tree, looking for alien lands. IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Saturn next to Charmaine
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posted June 29, 2015 10:09 AM
I've always been a sucker for people who need rescuing. Not in relationships, but just in life in general. That's why after years of resisting my calling, I have finally given in and gone to law school. So I will have access to the courts and be able to help those who can't help themselves. Not necessarily because they are weak. Because they are bullied. Although, some are weak. Without financial resources to fight back. Without knowledge. I don't have a hero complex. I'm no hero. I have an injustice complex.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 11479
From: Wankety Wankerson
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted June 29, 2015 10:11 AM
Randall,
I agree with you on most of that. But it begs the question, why is saying what you are saying so controversial? Why is America different than a country like Russia where men are openly aggressive with women and the women will shamelessly ask a man to buy them gifts? It seems like we (Western People) are more confused about what we want when people from other parts of the world just embrace the natural order of things. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 29, 2015 10:15 AM
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Women are prone to become overwhelmed with complexities that "exist", or may exist, and may have difficulty separating their personal experience from problems.
This is a stereotype that simply won't die. If this is a fact, why does multiple data show that men exhibit more confirmation bias than women?
"Confirmation bias is defined as the tendency, when examining the validity of a hypothesis, to prefer corroborative rather than refuting evidence. Study 1 focuses on the tendency to avoid examining rival hypotheses. A t-test showed that men’s confirmation bias (M = 1.43 SD = 1.09) was significantly higher than women’s (M = 1.09 SD = 0.96), which supported the study hypothesis that women tended to use cognitive structuring less than men." "Among the few studies that have examined this question is Martin’s study (B. A. Martin, “The influence of gender on mood effects in advertising,” 2003), which showed that men and women are affected differently by promotional messages. Women were found to process promotional information more comprehensively than men, while men focused on more peripheral information. This implies that men use schema based heuristic strategies to process information. Hayes, Allinson and Armstrong found, similarly, that women use more analytical (less intuitive) information processing than men (J. Hayes, C. W. Allinson and S. J. Armstrong, “Intuition, Women Managers and Gendered Stereotypes,” 2004)." "The second study examined the effect of subliminal priming messages while asking men and women to guess which photos represented people who were in relationships, and in a second set of photos, which people made the most money. Women’s judgments were not affected by the priming, while men showed a significant shift." "The third study aimed to discern whether gender plays a role in the extent to which personality traits influence decision making. Specifically, the personality trait anxiety was studied in relation to decision making during a health crisis. The correlation between trait anxiety and the measures of state anxiety, distress, and well-being was significantly higher for men than women. Thus, this study validates the hypothesis that men use schematic thinking more than women do. "The data and findings of the three studies clearly support the idea that men tend to use more CS (and therefore use more cognitive biases) than women do." IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 3425
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted June 29, 2015 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
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This is a stereotype that simply won't die. If this is a fact, why does multiple data show that men exhibit more confirmation bias than women?"Confirmation bias is defined as the tendency, when examining the validity of a hypothesis, to prefer corroborative rather than refuting evidence. Study 1 focuses on the tendency to avoid examining rival hypotheses. A t-test showed that men’s confirmation bias (M = 1.43 SD = 1.09) was significantly higher than women’s (M = 1.09 SD = 0.96), which supported the study hypothesis that women tended to use cognitive structuring less than men." "Among the few studies that have examined this question is Martin’s study (B. A. Martin, “The influence of gender on mood effects in advertising,” 2003), which showed that men and women are affected differently by promotional messages. Women were found to process promotional information more comprehensively than men, while men focused on more peripheral information. This implies that men use schema based heuristic strategies to process information. Hayes, Allinson and Armstrong found, similarly, that women use more analytical (less intuitive) information processing than men (J. Hayes, C. W. Allinson and S. J. Armstrong, “Intuition, Women Managers and Gendered Stereotypes,” 2004)." "The second study examined the effect of subliminal priming messages while asking men and women to guess which photos represented people who were in relationships, and in a second set of photos, which people made the most money. Women’s judgments were not affected by the priming, while men showed a significant shift." "The third study aimed to discern whether gender plays a role in the extent to which personality traits influence decision making. Specifically, the personality trait anxiety was studied in relation to decision making during a health crisis. The correlation between trait anxiety and the measures of state anxiety, distress, and well-being was significantly higher for men than women. Thus, this study validates the hypothesis that men use schematic thinking more than women do. "The data and findings of the three studies clearly support the idea that men tend to use more CS (and therefore use more cognitive biases) than women do."
So to be clear, it's actually men who are the more intuitive thinkers.
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted June 29, 2015 10:21 AM
I loved Barbies. It was so magical!------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted June 29, 2015 10:24 AM
Society can TELL us we should like girly men, but we don't. Look at movie heroes. None are girly men!------------------
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Randall
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posted June 29, 2015 10:25 AM
The US is unique in many ways, but human nature is consistent. In the US, men are taught by their mothers to be nice guys, and somehow that ends up manifesting into spinelessness when put into peactice. And women crave leadership so much that they sometimes end up with abusive men, because the nice ones don't create attraction for them. This doesn't mean women choose these types of guys. They often are fooled by them. Attraction isn't a choice. A man can be nice and sweet and respectful and still have a backbone. Also, due to all these deadbeat men, women are forced to be strong with only themselves to lean on. They have to support their children. And while American society is watering down masculinity for men, at the same time it is telling women that femininity is weakness. There is nothing wrong with men being masculine or women being feminine. Men and women are of equal worth, but they are different, and that's okay. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
Knowflake Posts: 1569
From: Rainbows
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posted June 29, 2015 10:28 AM
Ya know, I'm still not clear on how legal homosexual marriage cannot co-exist with Christianity.If Christians can respect and accept non-christians (and all the heathenry that goes along with it!), what is the big deal with homosexual marriage?? Marriage does not belong to the church.
If I remember correctly, it was stolen from the pagans many moons ago.
Along with most other christian rituals.
After, of course, they had murdered, raped and pillaged the pagans. How many priests have been convicted of molesting boys now? CLEARLY, the church has as many problems as the rest of humanity. At least the people who support this move are not stuck in the dark ages though. The church is outta time. It can squeal all it likes, humanity will evolve anyway. It's in our BLOOD. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 11479
From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted June 29, 2015 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Society can TELL us we should like girly men, but we don't. Look at movie heroes. None are girly men!
What I don't understand is why so many women idolize effeminate gay men. The feminist agenda and the gay agenda are practically joined at the hip. It seems like feminists are obsessed with turning men into girly men that they can control. Why is that? IP: Logged | |
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