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Dumuzi
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posted March 17, 2021 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's all the ones you've mentioned, nessus stands out the most

i saw someone here (on ll, i think?) talking about nessus conjunct kaali in a woman's chart being an abuse indicator (no idea how accurate that statement is but i am a woman and do have them exactly conjunct on my sun)

dejanira only seems to trine my chiron which seems like a weird place for it 🤔🤷‍♀️

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posted March 17, 2021 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
also in response to your nessus statement:

my father was very abusive but i'm not sure if i'd say he was worse than my mother, that's a hard call

more straightforward i guess is it, my mother gaslights to the point where a good chunk of my life i was constantly questioning my hold on reality and would have to ask other people for confirmation of things (she still does it and admittedly i still do that, i'll find a trusted person if i've had an argument or something and ask them if i was wrong or what happened etc, especially if they were around for it... like i need that confirmation from another person to some degree that i wasn't wrong to speak up or set a boundary etc)

my father it was lots of physical abuse and screaming and **** but no tactics or anything, he'd explode and then it'd be over, but his explosions would be towards nearly everyone

i say nearly because he's never been like that with my younger brother, he openly favors him, and i mean outright will say "he's my favorite" or "i did this for him because he isn't you" etc

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posted March 17, 2021 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kaali is the chi or ki, the deepest energy of a person. So, in your case, this Nessus energy is deep in you and what happened to you with your dad went into your very cells.

Where is Madhatter asteroid. I have seen this in gaslighting. So far, I can't see your childhood in your chart but it is just because we have not found the right asteroids or fixed stars.

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posted March 17, 2021 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
makes sense i know our neurology/physiology can be affected by our childhood and i've read stuff about chronic physical illness and its link to childhood abuse while i was studying shadow work and shamanism etc (it's been something i've repeatedly had come up over the last 8? years or so, maybe 9 by now through various signs and such) which is something i do deal with outside of like cptsd (that's moreso from my ex though, but that was a nightmare, especially towards the end) and so on

madhatter is 16 degrees cancer

i've had vedic astrologers pick it up easier for some reason

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posted March 17, 2021 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ami i just wanted to thank you btw for the lack of quotes i was just thinking i'm unsure if i'm going to delete this later or not

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posted March 17, 2021 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see your childhood in your chart BUT if you look at your dad's synastry with you, you may see it.

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posted March 17, 2021 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't see your childhood in your chart BUT if you look at your dad's synastry with you, you may see it.


well both my parents have their pluto on my sun i know that for sureo

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posted March 17, 2021 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Put up your synastry with your dad with the asteroids we talked about and also Algol.

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posted March 17, 2021 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't have his birth time, no one knows it, but yeah in a few

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posted March 17, 2021 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You could do 12 midnight and we can ignore houses, if you want. Everything stays basically the same except the Moon and houses

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posted March 17, 2021 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
removed because synastry charts

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posted March 17, 2021 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see it now. Is the first one your mom? Is your dad on here?

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posted March 17, 2021 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
first one dad, 2nd mom, 3rd older brother, 4th younger brother

i just had to edit it because i posted my mother's twice

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posted March 17, 2021 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With your dad, how close is his Aphophis, Uranus, NN to your Sun. If close, this is a huge answer--close is withing 3 degrees

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posted March 17, 2021 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm curious why these things reflect in synastry rather than natal 🤔 thank you for your time btw

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posted March 17, 2021 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:
Originally posted by Randall :-

From the outset ...[b]THAT was all you ever needed to write, in order to demonstrate both impartiality with regard to the incident and your (understandable + acceptable) empathy for AG.

Instead though, you have consistently chosen to play the role of defence lawyer for AG. ... And, THAT is an abuse of your position of power on the forum - as its owner (Pluto), manager (Saturn) and "guiding light" (Sun). ... Hence, you wielded the natal forum's poleaxe unjustly - but hey, you are the one who is studying law (and the importance of justice).

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And rather than defend women at all, heís just told that he needs to find a good woman. As though the rest of us arenít good in any way.

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posted March 17, 2021 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iíll have to edit out the huge quote, when Iím on my computer, and Iím sorry that happened to you.

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posted March 17, 2021 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i'm curious why these things reflect in synastry rather than natal 🤔 thank you for your time btw

You are welcome, Dumuzi, it is my pleasure. This would show up in the natal if we had all the asteroids. There are hundreds and so the chart does lose out because I can't use them all or know them all.

The synastry shows us more due to the lack of stated above. Also, the relationship can be see in a clear light and we can see our childhood in it.

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posted March 17, 2021 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what is going on with the top chart. I think the NN/Apophis/Uranus is conj your Sun/Nessus. YOU are bringing abuse to your dad, through no fault of your own. You don't like him and you don't like to be controlled by him and he feels this. He is the adult and this makes him angry and react badly to you, even though you can't help it( and he can't either because it is the chart energies)

He is a person who is out of control and chaotic. He is erratic even more so with the Uranus there and this is a theme of his life.

ALL of this mess, so to speak, is brought to you, your Sun.

You are assaulted by him and he feels assaulted by you. Since, he is in the power position, he is the one who hurts you more than you do him but these energies are what you describe in your childhood.

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posted March 17, 2021 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the second chart, YOU bring Aphophis to her. So, she feels as if there is chaos brought to her and also a sense of doom, through no fault of your own.

This is your Apophis conj her NN.

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posted March 17, 2021 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Mom really loves you (Moon conj Moon and Moon conj NN) but your Jupiter makes her more sadistic with you due to Jupiter enlarging what it touches, for better or worse. You had a very hard childhood through no fault of your own! I hope this has helped to fill in some blanks and gaps!

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posted March 17, 2021 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just looked at the last one. He has Sado conj the Sun( tends to be sadistic) and YOUR Uranus shakes all of that up for him so it forces this side of him to come out and it comes out erratically.

Also, your Venus conj his Nessus. You love him and he takes advantage of this love. You feel this and feel vulnerable.

Man, families are really mine fields, as they say lol

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posted March 17, 2021 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is what is going on with the top chart. I think the NN/Apophis/Uranus is conj your Sun/Nessus. YOU are bringing abuse to your dad, through no fault of your own. You don't like him and you don't like to be controlled by him and he feels this. He is the adult and this makes him angry and react badly to you, even though you can't help it( and he can't either because it is the chart energies)

He is a person who is out of control and chaotic. He is erratic even more so with the Uranus there and this is a theme of his life.

ALL of this mess, so to speak, is brought to you, your Sun.

You are assaulted by him and he feels assaulted by you. Since, he is in the power position, he is the one who hurts you more than you do him but these energies are what you describe in your childhood.


I don't understand this post Ami. How can a child "bring abuse TO" their father?

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posted March 17, 2021 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I'm curious, are we now allowed to look at synastry with abusive parents? I tried to do this once in Sweet Peas and the consensus was that it was inappropriate.

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@ Voix, Dumuzi and teasel ... Thank you for the comments on my last reply on this thread to Randall.

My abuse by the dentist happened almost 65 years ago, and did not cause my life to go in a direction that I regret. ... So, I'm ok with that.

And now, it is time to accept that what can be learned from this debacle has been expressed ... although I remain curious about Randall's view upon whether or not my mother was right to not raise the issue with the dentist because "he had not asked her to do so". ... And if the solution was indeed just to ensure that he and I no longer had any contact with each other.

Best wishes to all on the forum.

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