posted September 13, 2012 10:22 PM            

When i looked up Lie and Swindle in my own chart, i found they fall next to my venus.
So of course i'm thinking well im not a liar or going to swindle someone in love? I was kind of sad to see that!

What i'm wondering though, could this represent the fact that in my life, the things i learned that were lies swindled me out of being loved and learning to love myself which lead me to not feel worthy of being loved?

posted September 13, 2012 10:39 PM            

My Venus is at 28.13 Gemini
My Chiron is at 3.56 Cancer
His lie is at 3.13 cancer
His moon is at 3.22 cancer

How weird is that?

My swindle is conjunct his IC too

My first boyfriend ever and I have DW lie conjunct IC aspects. I hurt this guy.

Oof another guy I hurt I have lie conjunct his IC and Chiron.

posted September 13, 2012 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Ok mine is nowhere significant in my own chart BUT I did synastry with these with my cheating exbf who lied and lied and lied and my gosh! His Lie is conjunct his moon WHICH are both conjunct my Chiron which is also conjunct my Venus.

My Venus is at 28.13 Gemini
My Chiron is at 3.56 Cancer
His lie is at 3.13 cancer
His moon is at 3.22 cancer

How weird is that?

My swindle is conjunct his IC too

My first boyfriend ever and I have DW lie conjunct IC aspects. I hurt this guy.

Oof another guy I hurt I have lie conjunct his IC and Chiron.

Aaaand another ex who most likely cheated on me and definitely lied with Lie on my IC! There is something to this lie asteroid

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posted September 13, 2012 11:16 PM            

Maybe you could just look at conjunctions. That's all I looked at. It seemed like an IC/Lie theme to me.

posted September 13, 2012 11:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hmmm, his lie conjuncts his sun, which conjuncts my N.Node? His swindle is near my uranus...my lie/swindle is on his pluto? What does this mean? UGH!!

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Personally I have no idea what it means. I did notice y exbf who I LIED to had his lie on my sun. So I'm not sure

posted September 13, 2012 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Ok mine is nowhere significant in my own chart BUT I did synastry with these with my cheating exbf who lied and lied and lied and my gosh! His Lie is conjunct his moon WHICH are both conjunct my Chiron which is also conjunct my Venus.

My Venus is at 28.13 Gemini
My Chiron is at 3.56 Cancer
His lie is at 3.13 cancer
His moon is at 3.22 cancer

How weird is that?

My swindle is conjunct his IC too

My first boyfriend ever and I have DW lie conjunct IC aspects. I hurt this guy.

Oof another guy I hurt I have lie conjunct his IC and Chiron.

Aaaand another ex who most likely cheated on me and definitely lied with Lie on my IC! There is something to this lie asteroid

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I wonder if his moon with lie means he's an emotional liar..like if he feels threatened emotionally he will resort to lies, and like conjunct the sun, they would have a tendency to lie if it would protect their ego?

posted September 13, 2012 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Do you lie in relationships? Have you?

Maybe you could just look at conjunctions. That's all I looked at. It seemed like an IC/Lie theme to me.

I would look at it with faster moving points especially with it being on your Venus. Like maybe it would be bad news for them of it was conjunct a chart angle or the vertex or moon instead of a generational planet bc you'd be bad news for a lot of people

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No, ive always been too honest in relationships, and i always forgave ppl who lied to me to freely...like i would make excuses for them.
I really have always felt i was screwing myself by the things i put up with, im changing that now and expecting more, and feeling like i deserve love finally.

posted September 14, 2012 12:03 AM            

Swindle @ 14 Can 37'10" 8th house
- Conjuncts Nessus @ 13 Can 28'49" and fixed star Sirius, as well as what I calculated for one of 2 formulas I found for the Arabic Part of Suicide @ 15 Can 39".
- Squares Mars @ 12 Lib 12'41" 10th house, Pluto @ 14 Lib 52'18" and Venus @ 16 Lib 14'1". Asteroids included in the M/P/V stellium include 20164 Janzajic @ 11 Lib 35'53" and 1834 Palach @ 14 Lib 29'20" (named for two Czech students who protested the Soviet Occupation in Czechoslovakia by lighting themselves on fire. Neither survived), as well as 1224 Fantasia @ 13 Lib 58'31" (self-explanatory), 6157 Prey @ 15 Lib 48'34" (also self-explanatory), 13897 Vesuvius @ 11 Lib 25'8" (Volcanic) and 5535 Annefrank @ 12 Lib 34'10" (She was very much victimized by the Nazi regime after her family was found after hiding for a few years, and did not survive).

Gambling doesn't always work so well for me (otherwise I'd have won the lottery long ago ...helps if I play some.) Should be very careful if I ever go to Vegas for any reason. There are also times I wonder if I haven't convinced myself a false memory is a lie... probably blocking something out from my younger days. The arguable conjunct (orb too big, perhaps) with the Arabic part of Marriage indicates I must not do a Vegas quickie wedding! I wouldn't want to do it that way anyways, and have considered maybe I'm not marriage material... ...but maybe I'm lying to myself on the "not marriage material" thing?

The Nessus/Swindle/Arabic Part of Suicide thing very much concerns me, especially with a square to Mars/Pluto/Venus and associated asteroids. I must be extremely careful not to push any potential romantic or business partners so hard that they feel they have no choice to escape except self-destruct. Also I must be careful that this element does not cause me to self-destruct either, although I do not believe I could ever self-terminate unless it was in an act of martyrdom in the sense of Pushing a girl out of the way of a bus or Burning building rescue.

As far as that goes, there hasn't been a whole lot of honest dealings when it comes to women and me (me finding out information after the fact, which, had I not had self-control, could have easily lead to arrest or internment underground... instead I practically cut all offenders out of my life).

posted September 14, 2012 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
26955 Lie
8690 Swindle
I was reading somewhere that you should always look up these two asteroids and dejanira/nessus for possible issues with someone capable of lying to you in a relationship.

When i looked up Lie and Swindle in my own chart, i found they fall next to my venus.
So of course i'm thinking well im not a liar or going to swindle someone in love? I was kind of sad to see that!

What i'm wondering though, could this represent the fact that in my life, the things i learned that were lies swindled me out of being loved and learning to love myself which lead me to not feel worthy of being loved?

Libra Venus@19
Libra Lie@17°50
Libra Swindle@20

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I would say that you could lie and swindle when you are in love, if you don't watch it, as these are the energies. The energies don't MAKE us do anything, but we do have to deal with any energies that are there. This is true for everyone with the hard asteroids such as Nessus, Swindle, Lie etc

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posted September 14, 2012 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Astrology is all about Realville, the way I do it, anyway

I would say that you could lie and swindle when you are in love, if you don't watch it, as these are the energies. The energies don't MAKE us do anything, but we do have to deal with any energies that are there. This is true for everyone with the hard asteroids such as Nessus, Swindle, Lie etc

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Actually i do think if i hadnt been through what i have i would be less of a person, shallow and manipulative...but seeing what ive seen and the feeling so much pain has made me cherish relationships and i never want to hurt ppl the way i was. But i can see how, if i were to chose to live on the low side of myself, i would think i had the right to be manipulative to ppl in love, just to get my way, instead of loving them. Its in me, i just refuse to use it! I love the feeling of freedom that comes with truth and honesty! I love the feeling of knowing im doing a good job at loving the people i love and can see it in their energy! Libra AC--Venus rules me...with pluto conjunct!
Sometimes i think i needed to go through what i did in order to truly appreciate love the way it should be appreciated...i do have asteroid "Karma" sitting on my Libra AC?

posted September 14, 2012 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
Lie @ 23 Can 23'7" 8th house
- Conjuncts Black Moon Lilith @ 24 Can 24'56", 82332 Las Vegas @ 23 Can 19'23" (matters pertaining to Las Vegas and Gambling?), 9133 d'Arrest @ 23 Can 23'48" (What it sounds like: Arrest, stalls, etc), 57 Mnemosyne @ 24 Can 0'49" (Memories). Also arguably my Arabic Part of Marriage @ 21 Can 10'.
- Trines Pholus @ 22 Pis 19'51" (Rx) 4th house and Dejanira @ 24 Pis 37'42" (Rx)

Swindle @ 14 Can 37'10" 8th house
- Conjuncts Nessus @ 13 Can 28'49" and fixed star Sirius, as well as what I calculated for one of 2 formulas I found for the Arabic Part of Suicide @ 15 Can 39".
- Squares Mars @ 12 Lib 12'41" 10th house, Pluto @ 14 Lib 52'18" and Venus @ 16 Lib 14'1". Asteroids included in the M/P/V stellium include 20164 Janzajic @ 11 Lib 35'53" and 1834 Palach @ 14 Lib 29'20" (named for two Czech students who protested the Soviet Occupation in Czechoslovakia by lighting themselves on fire. Neither survived), as well as 1224 Fantasia @ 13 Lib 58'31" (self-explanatory), 6157 Prey @ 15 Lib 48'34" (also self-explanatory), 13897 Vesuvius @ 11 Lib 25'8" (Volcanic) and 5535 Annefrank @ 12 Lib 34'10" (She was very much victimized by the Nazi regime after her family was found after hiding for a few years, and did not survive).

Gambling doesn't always work so well for me (otherwise I'd have won the lottery long ago ...helps if I play some.) Should be very careful if I ever go to Vegas for any reason. There are also times I wonder if I haven't convinced myself a false memory is a lie... probably blocking something out from my younger days. The arguable conjunct (orb too big, perhaps) with the Arabic part of Marriage indicates I must not do a Vegas quickie wedding! I wouldn't want to do it that way anyways, and have considered maybe I'm not marriage material... ...but maybe I'm lying to myself on the "not marriage material" thing?

The Nessus/Swindle/Arabic Part of Suicide thing very much concerns me, especially with a square to Mars/Pluto/Venus and associated asteroids. I must be extremely careful not to push any potential romantic or business partners so hard that they feel they have no choice to escape except self-destruct. Also I must be careful that this element does not cause me to self-destruct either, although I do not believe I could ever self-terminate unless it was in an act of martyrdom in the sense of Pushing a girl out of the way of a bus or Burning building rescue.

As far as that goes, there hasn't been a whole lot of honest dealings when it comes to women and me (me finding out information after the fact, which, had I not had self-control, could have easily lead to arrest or internment underground... instead I practically cut all offenders out of my life).

And nope, deception hasn't always worked out for me, lol... Tried that as a kid with my parents. Not smart. Needless to say, there was an entire summer that sucked.

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posted September 14, 2012 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Gray:
Lie squares Venus by one degree in my chart; Swindle squares Mars by five degrees, and opposes my Jup-Sat conjunction by one degree. The other aspects either don't apply or the orbs are too big.

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posted September 14, 2012 02:21 PM            

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posted September 14, 2012 02:48 PM            

"Asteroid Lie and Asteroid Swindle"
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000850.html

"Swindle in Seeker's Chart"
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/002483.html

"Asteroid Swindle"
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203577.html

posted September 14, 2012 09:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I wonder since its a square if that means you are opposed to lying? The energy doesnt flow easily for you to lie?

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It's both. I don't like lying, and I'm not very good at it either, both of which are why I tend to keep mine to an absolute minimum. But oddly enough people think I lie a blue streak all the time though.

posted September 15, 2012 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Astrology is all about Realville, the way I do it, anyway

I would say that you could lie and swindle when you are in love, if you don't watch it, as these are the energies. The energies don't MAKE us do anything, but we do have to deal with any energies that are there. This is true for everyone with the hard asteroids such as Nessus, Swindle, Lie etc

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posted September 16, 2012 07:58 PM            

Venus conj Li
Ascendant conj Li
Jupiter quintile Li

the conjunctions are under 4 degrees the quintiles are 1 or less

I decided to leave out the sextiles and squares(to other asteroids).