posted October 09, 2015 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
But then it's mere coincidence that it tends to appear prominently in the charts of lust murderers and sadistic abductions? I'm not sure I'm ready to just accept the discovery chart over the data that's been collected -- though the sample size is quite small.

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Is the sample size of at least 100? although in reality we need a sample size of thousands if you are going to go by data and not the discovery charts.

posted October 09, 2015 03:03 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Is the sample size of at least 100? although in reality we need a sample size of thousands if you are going to go by data and not the discovery charts.

A few anecdotes/correlations is just exploratory.

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To be honest with you, I'm not sure it's really best to go with one particular method over the other (until a proper sample size is possible). As it will all be anecdotal evidence -- I agree.

But there's something to be said for these asteroids which come from mythology, or have a deep-seated history. I hear you on the numbers; they can be just about anything. We'd need the discovery charts to really understand them. But I don't think we can outright overrule the intrinsic features of the story, mythology, or concept surrounding the figure for which it was named. That seems in error, too.

I say this because, honestly, most of my general understanding of astrology actually stems from a philosophical principle known as functionalism. Are you familiar with it? Essentially where intention confers ontology. I once cited mathematics as an example of applied functionalism: the value of one (the unit one, numeral one) is really an ascribed meaning, as opposed to inherent. The means by which mathematics operates stems largely from the practise of manipulation we've constructed.

I've seen astrology as no different since the concept was introduced to me, around age 19. 'The majority rules' in the sense that we ascribe intention by way of concepts upon which we agree. The consensus imbues the meaning. No one can suddenly say 'MARS rules illusions and dreaming' -- no, that's NEPTUNE. And anyone who'd assert otherwise would be immediately corrected by any experienced astrologer.

But why is MARS our drive, passion, sexuality, and anger -- to name a few of the major domains it covers? Well, some of that clearly comes from relationship (and association to) the God of War; Ares -- or, obviously -- Mars. And hey, it seems to work. Why? Because we've made it work for -- goodness, hundreds of years now. As some of these originate with Ptolemy.

With asteroids, it's still something of the wild west. There's no infallible, nonnegotiable definition just yet for these guys, as it's just too new. So the best approach to figuring them out? I say we do both. We consider that the mythology which has been attributed does have meaning, as it carries an automatic, unconscious weight which quickly becomes collectively driven.

That's why, with a point like ASMODEUS, we can't stray too far into the MARS-acquiring-Neptunian-qualities realm, as some of these traits are already fixed -- and just by each astrologer -- or merely interested amateur -- that's studied it. Just as soon as our minds make the connexion to Asmodeus, a lustful demon of great power -- it's done. And the more of us make that connexion, the more stable ASMODEUS' association with Asmodeus from mythology -- becomes.

Granted, yes, this is my theory -- just as mythology is, or functionalism itself. But it has enough of a basis for it, to where I can't merely disregard the mythology in pure favour of the discovery charts. I can't.

posted October 09, 2015 05:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
But then it's mere coincidence that it tends to appear prominently in the charts of lust murderers and sadistic abductions? I'm not sure I'm ready to just accept the discovery chart over the data that's been collected -- though the sample size is quite small.

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Well, I am sure we can find it prominent in saintly charts as well. I actually think we have to take both into consideration, but I definitely would pay a lot of attention to the discovery chart. It is the asteroid`s birth chart (so to speak) after all. And that is consistent with our basic premise in astrology, that the birth chart describes the entity.

posted October 09, 2015 05:34 AM            

Edgar Cayce had ASMODEUS conjunct IC and square HYPNOS in the 12t house exactly, and square/ opposite VESTA.

(BTW both his wife and his secretary had Asmodeus in aspect to Hypnos, too. Sextile and square)

my brother, who is one of the most caring, social and naturally spiritual people (he even managed to reanimate a person, who was having a heart attack right before him in line, and whom the doctors later said had actually BEEN dead, and they were quite surprised and amazed he managed to reanimate her, as supposedly that is a very rare thing).
Well his own Asmodeus-connections look like he must have been spit our right from hell

ASMODEUS conjunct CERES exact on 3 Aquarius
"A Hindu Yogi Demonstrates His Healing Powers"

opposite

NESSUS on 1 Leo
"An Epidemic Of Mumps"

square

Saturn on 4 Scorpio
"A Massive Rocky Shore Resist The Pounding Of The Sea"

Funny enough his friends used to call him "Nurse X" cause he would always watch out for things going possibly wrong on parties and either confront the problems head on, or persuading his friends to leave, when he thought the situation could get really dangerous. And he has been in some dangerous situations and has seen quite a lot. Actually he was the first who told me about the "parallel society", you know that which we are supposed to NOT know about (not talking about conspiracies really, even though his own early research into the 11th september, almost got him into trouble; he`s been telling me things YEARS ago, before even one newspaper even dared to think about the possibility, or at least did not dare to publish).

Anyway he hardly is a psychopath, though granted, he seems to see rather clearly into very manipulative mechanisms of the collective or onto the collective.

My Mom has a T-square of
ASMODEUS on 28 Gemini opp. Chiron on 29 Sagittarius square MOon on 28 Virgo; quinkunx ISIS on 28 Scorpio

My Dad has ASMODEUS conjunct KAALI on 28 Scorpio conjunct asteroid LILITH on 26 Scorpio(as you see connecting to my Moms configuration)opposing Hypnos on 0 Gemini and OSIRIS on 28 Taurus and trine Dejanira on 0 Aries.

posted October 09, 2015 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I do think however that it might very much depend on WHAT Asmodeus conjuncts or closely aspects. If you go through the posted data. Proserpina. for example, and she DOES tend to keep on turning up in cases of abductions.

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posted October 09, 2015 11:43 AM            

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Is possible that in his case Saturn is there eliminating karma from past life represented by Asmodeus opposite Nessus but if he were to give in to the opposition instead of working with its higher manifestations he would suffer immediate repercussions (saturn).

posted October 10, 2015 01:10 AM            

I feel that you have to look at both the myth and the discovery chart but you NEED to look at the discovery chart to see how the myth FITS or which PARTS of the myth will manifest or HOW the myth will manifest.

With Asmodeus looking at his discovery chart I get more of a love makes you do questionable ethical things vibe with that Thor's Hammer to the Moon and Venus and the AMOR-NESSUS-URANUS grand trine and Juno conjunct dejanira which fits his story as I remember Ceri mentioned that in the bible Asmodeus was in love with SARA and he kept getting rid of all her husbands before the marriage would get consummated like 7 times and only Tobias was able to consummate the marriage with Sara so Asmodeus would put on a good fight and not give up easily for the one he loves but his tactics might be ethically questionable but it comes from a place of feeling in love but also immaturity and selfishness of a nessus like nature. However he is very devoted to his love as evidenced by the Juno-jupiter-valentine conjunction and is very sweet and romantic as evidenced by the eros-neptune-moon stellium and he just needs to evolve really and is not a bad guy.

Now describing him as super lustful on a physical level I don't feel really fits the discovery chart except for that natural Priapus-Kaali conjunction but that aspect feels more tantric to me so maybe that is the ticket for asmodeus to evolve.

However, upon closer inspection I see there is an exact tsquare between true lilith opposite true priapus squaring valentine! so the demon of lust nickname can be explained from that aspect. Also true lilith squares MARS by 5d exact though, forming a grand cross if we count that with Valentine, true lilith and true priapus.

I would then say his sexual side would be expressed via the true lilith opposite true priapus squaring valentine which is part of a grand trine with juno and jupiter so to him his sexuality comes out and shines with true love I would say. He can be very lustful when truly in love.

It makes sense my lustful nature comes out when my true priapus and true lilith are activated so perhaps for Asmodeus is the same and at the right conditions he has a very strong lustful nature that pours towards the object of adoration when truly in love.

So there, after all his lustful nature is showing in the discovery chart I just had not check the true lilith point yet....

posted October 10, 2015 03:34 AM            

Brad:
Asmodeus in Taurus @23d59
Sara in Tauras @22d28
Venus in Cap @23d28
Moon in Cap @22d50

posted October 10, 2015 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
BOTH Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have VENUS Trine ASMODEUS in their natal.

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posted October 10, 2015 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mother Teresa for example has a T-square of Jupiter opposite ORCUS square ASMODEUS
the Orcus-Asmodeus- square was just 2 minutes of orb.
I like to think of it as her attempts (and power) to be completely dedicated and honouring her oath (orcus) to bring "good" (however we define it( - Jupiter) into the world, and there was a really strong drive to do so behind it, and yes maybe by facing / confronting the "demon of lust".

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See, that's the ticket, I think.

Take my boyfriend's chart, for example. He's about as white-hat as one can get, to the point where he has a powerful idealism, combined with an abhorrence of 'evil' in all of its forms. And he's always been this way; it's not something he later adopted, or to 'look good' or for purposes of manipulation; 'for love' or otherwise. He just is. It's innate.

But if I look closer at the configuration, it reminds me of my initial interpretation: that he actively fights the 'demon of lust', as well as what it could do, were it to take over. He's learnt to be 'bigger' than his base impulses.

These hard aspects, when operating in charts where the individual isn't running amok and violently offending may show their dedication to not doing so. At least, that would certainly fit him.

posted February 01, 2016 08:54 AM            

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the discovery chart (MOON squares VENUS opposite AMOR, NORTHNODE conjuncts SAPPHO, CUPIDO conjunct PLUTO, PRIAPUS conjunct KAALI, VALENTINE at the Galactic Center forming a GRAND TRINE with JUPITER and JUNO), here it is:

However, it is interesting that JUPITER forms a Thor's Hammer with VENUS and MOON since JUPITER has to do with ethics, law etc...He will be criticized because in essence he feels all is fair in the name of love.

Uhh also he has a GRAND TRINE between AMOR-URANUS-NESSUS and JUNO conjunct Dejanira. Again not a very sexual theme per say but using force to obtain love or a person who manipulates love and has a need to control it perhaps someone who would use manipulation to keep someone trapped in a marriage even after they want out.

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posted February 01, 2016 09:01 AM            

My Mercury-Saturn midpoint 2 Taurus
My moon-Mars midpoint 2 Taurus

Just what I needed, a little more obsession and difficulty centered on that point.

But honestly it doesn't do much in my romantic story, unless it's conjunct my ex-soulmate's moon, but the way I rectify his chart, it wouldn't be conjunct his moon.

posted February 01, 2016 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
How interesting that you posted this right before the asteroid's "birthday."

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posted February 01, 2016 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh, good point about the darkness.

I see your demon of lust is conjunct mine.

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I was so unclear about that, I confess.
Asmodeus 3ta40 > time of discovery. not shown in discovery chart,, Hypatia, uh,, spank thyself.
And Faith I do have Sappho and Desdemona op your asmodeus,lol.
My Asmodeus is 6 Libra with MERCURY, Urda and Stout and sextile KING and trine DNA

posted February 01, 2016 06:32 PM            

My Asmodeus must be lustier and more demonic than average, since it's right there in the discovery chart.

Not that anyone's making it a contest.

Our Mercuries are trine!

I like your Mercury placements...KING & DNA...does that make you wonder about past lives?

posted February 01, 2016 08:06 PM            

People always surprise me.

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posted February 02, 2016 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Sunnya:
I think Seimei means Urda one of the Norns of the fate

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What's that?

Oh nevermind I have Google...

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Uršr (Old Norse "fate"[1]) is one of the Norns in Norse mythology.[1] Along with Veršandi (possibly "happening" or "present"[2]) and Skuld (possibly "debt" or "future"[3]), Uršr makes up a trio of Norns that are described as deciding the fates of people. Uršr is attested in stanza 20 of the Poetic Edda poem Völuspį and the Prose Edda book Gylfaginning.

Uršr is together with the Norns located at the well Uršarbrunnr beneath the world ash tree Yggdrasil of Asgard. They spin threads of life, cut marks in the pole figures and measure people's destinies, which shows the fate of all human beings and gods. Norns are always present when a child is born and decide its fate. The three Norns represent the past (Uršr), future (Skuld) and present (Veršandi).[4][5]

Uršr is commonly written as Urd or Urth. In some English translations, her name is glossed with the Old English form of uršr; Wyrd.

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Bek-Pedersen suggests that the word norn has relation to the Swedish dialect word norna (nyrna), a verb that means "secretly communicate". This relates to the perception of norns as shadowy, background figures who only really ever reveal their fateful secrets to men as their fates come to pass.[6]

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posted February 02, 2016 11:30 AM            

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Oneness of the Universe.

posted February 02, 2016 12:25 PM            

Here is an interesting topic about the Norns made by LeeLoo, maybe you want to check it out .

posted February 02, 2016 10:38 PM            

My URDA @ 23 Libra, on my sun-Saturn midpoint (my sun and Saturn are in mutual reception, so...that's a big midpoint.)

Sorry to go off topic but Lee says:

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I would interpret URD as having a South Node vibe, and SKULD a North Node vibe. In fact, I think URD is co-ruler of your SN, and SKULD co-ruler of your NN.

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Well, URDA is in Libra and my SN is in Taurus, so both are ruled by Venus.

My SKULD at 1 Aqua conjunct lots of asteroids there...Eros, Angel, and some I'm forgetting.

posted February 03, 2016 06:28 AM            

I could try and give you my opinion but I would start speaking tongues myself! This thing is like a virus

Maybe we should bump that thread!