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LeeLoo2014
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posted August 26, 2014 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Norse equivalent of the Three Fates

URD - the past
VERDANDI - the present
SKULD - the future


I would interpret URD as having a South Node vibe, and SKULD a North Node vibe. In fact, I think URD is co-ruler of your SN, and SKULD co-ruler of your NN.


In the Composite, I would assume Urd shows the SN of the relationship and perhaps it gives some clues about the beginning of it. Verdandi would be a clue about the theme, the basic nature of the relationship. Skuld would have a NN/MC vibe, showing the prospects of the relationship.

The Three Norns in strong aspects would be a fated marker.

What are your Norns in natal, synastry, composite?


asteroid URDA 167
asteroid WERDANDI 621
asteroid SKULD 1130

The Norns (Old Norse: norn, plural: nornir) in Norse mythology[1] are female beings who rule the destiny of gods and men, possibly a kind of dķsir (see below), and comparable to the Moirai (also called "The Fates") in Greek mythology.

According to Snorri Sturluson's interpretation of the Völuspį, the three most important norns, Uršr (Wyrd), Veršandi and Skuld come out from a hall standing at the Well of Uršr (well of fate) and they draw water from the well and take sand that lies around it, which they pour over Yggdrasill so that its branches will not rot.[2] These norns are described as three powerful maiden giantesses (Jotuns) whose arrival from Jötunheimr ended the golden age of the gods.


Uršr (Old Norse "fate"[1]) is one of the Norns in Norse mythology.[1] Along with Veršandi (possibly "happening" or "present"[2]) and Skuld (possibly "debt" or "future"[3]), Uršr makes up a trio of Norns that are described as deciding the fates of people. Uršr is attested in stanza 20 of the Poetic Edda poem Völuspį and the Prose Edda book Gylfaginning.

Uršr is together with the Norns located at the well Uršarbrunnr beneath the world ash tree Yggdrasil of Asgard. They spin threads of life, cut marks in the pole figures and measure people's destinies, which shows the fate of all human beings and gods. Norns are always present when a child is born and decide its fate. The three Norns represent the past (Uršr), future (Skuld) and present (Veršandi)

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I'm never going to manage to get off this forum, why are all the topics so interesting? :groan:

I was just exploring the Norns two weeks ago.

Sco SKULD is in my H1, retro. At max 2°orb, it has no connections.

Vir WERDANDI is in H11. Trine Neptune(0), sextile Pluto(0).

Leo URDA is in H10. Trine Mercury(1).

In synastry, I think it would be a good advisor contact. Being able to see into the other person's point's past or future.
In composite, possibly a view the couple has of their common future, or common past.

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As you probably know, the main Norse divination system is Rune casting and the basic reading is the "Three Norns", past, present and future.

The Runes are wonderful and many of them have the vibration of the planets. If I discovered asteroids, I would name them after the Runes

Fehu (F: Domestic cattle, wealth.) Possessions won or earned, earned income, luck. Abundance, financial strength in the present or near future. Sign of hope and plenty, success and happiness. Social success. Energy, foresight, fertility, creation/destruction (becoming). Fehu Reversed or Merkstave: Loss of personal property, esteem, or something that you put in effort to keep. It indicates some sort of failure. Greed, burnout, atrophy, discord. Cowardice, stupidity, dullness, poverty, slavery, bondage.

Uruz: (U: Auroch, a wild ox.) Physical strength and speed, untamed potential. A time of great energy and health. Freedom, energy, action, courage, strength, tenacity, understanding, wisdom. Sudden or unexpected changes (usually for the better). Sexual desire, masculine potency. The shaping of power and pattern, formulation of the self. Uruz Reversed or Merkstave: Weakness, obsession, misdirected force, domination by others. Sickness, inconsistency, ignorance. Lust, brutality, rashness, callousness, violence.

Thurisaz: (TH: Thorn or a Giant.) Reactive force, directed force of destruction and defense, conflict. Instinctual will, vital eroticism, regenerative catalyst. A tendency toward change. Catharsis, purging, cleansing fire. Male sexuality, fertilization. (Thorr, the Thunder god, was of Giant stock.)Thurisaz Reversed or Merkstave: Danger, defenselessness, compulsion, betrayal, dullness. Evil, malice, hatred, torment, spite, lies. A bad man or woman.

Ansuz: (A: The As, ancestral god, i.e. Odin.) A revealing message or insight, communication. Signals, inspiration, enthusiasm, speech, true vision, power of words and naming. Blessings, the taking of advice. Good health, harmony, truth, wisdom. Ansuz Reversed or Merkstave: Misunderstanding, delusion, manipulation by others, boredom. Vanity and grandiloquence. (Odin is a mighty, but duplicitous god. He always has his own agenda.)

Raidho: (R: Wagon or chariot.) Travel, both in physical terms and those of lifestyle direction. A journey, vacation, relocation, evolution, change of place or setting. Seeing a larger perspective. Seeing the right move for you to make and deciding upon it. Personal rhythm, world rhythm, dance of life. Raidho Reversed or Merkstave: Crisis, rigidity, stasis, injustice, irrationality. Disruption, dislocation, demotion, delusion, possibly a death.

Kenaz: (K: Beacon or torch.) Vision, revelation, knowledge, creativity, inspiration, technical ability. Vital fire of life, harnessed power, fire of transformation and regeneration. Power to create your own reality, the power of light. Open to new strength, energy, and power now. Passion, sexual love. Kenaz Reversed or Merkstave: Disease, breakup, instability, lack of creativity. Nakedness, exposure, loss of illusion and false hope.

Gebo: (G: Gift.) Gifts, both in the sense of sacrifice and of generosity, indicating balance. All matters in relation to exchanges, including contracts, personal relationships and partnerships. Gebo Merkstave (Gebo cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): Greed, loneliness, dependence, over-sacrifice. Obligation, toll, privation, bribery.

Wunjo: (W or V: Joy.) Joy, comfort, pleasure. Fellowship, harmony, prosperity. Ecstasy, glory, spiritual reward, but also the possibility of going "over the top". If restrained, the meaning is general success and recognition of worth. Wunjo Reversed or Merkstave: Stultification, sorrow, strife, alienation. Delirium, intoxication, possession by higher forces, impractical enthusiasm. Raging frenzy, berzerker.


Hagalaz: (H: Hail.) Wrath of nature, destructive, uncontrolled forces, especially the weather, or within the unconscious. Tempering, testing, trial. Controlled crisis, leading to completion, inner harmony. Hagalaz Merkstave (Hagalaz cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): Natural disaster, catastrophe. Stagnation, loss of power. Pain, loss, suffering, hardship, sickness, crisis.

Nauthiz: (N: Need.) Delays, restriction. Resistance leading to strength, innovation, need-fire (self-reliance). Distress, confusion, conflict, and the power of will to overcome them. Endurance, survival, determination. A time to exercise patience. Recognition of one's fate. Major self-initiated change. Face your fears. Nauthiz Reversed or Merkstave: Constraint of freedom, distress, toil, drudgery, laxity. Necessity, extremity, want, deprivation, starvation, need, poverty, emotional hunger.

Isa: (I: Ice.) A challenge or frustration. Psychological blocks to thought or activity, including grievances. Standstill, or a time to turn inward and wait for what is to come, or to seek clarity. This rune reinforces runes around it. Isa Merkstave (Isa cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): Ego-mania, dullness, blindness, dissipation. Treachery, illusion, deceit, betrayal, guile, stealth, ambush, plots.

Jera: (J or Y: A year, a good harvest.) The results of earlier efforts are realized. A time of peace and happiness, fruitful season. It can break through stagnancy. Hopes and expectations of peace and prosperity. The promise of success earned. Life cycle, cyclical pattern of the universe. Everything changes, in its own time. Jera Merkstave (Jera cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): Sudden setback, reversals. A major change, repetition, bad timing, poverty, conflict.

Eihwaz: (EI: Yew tree.) Strength, reliability, dependability, trustworthiness. Enlightenment, endurance. Defense, protection. The driving force to acquire, providing motivation and a sense of purpose. Indicates that you have set your sights on a reasonable target and can achieve your goals. An honest man who can be relied upon. Eihwaz Reversed or Merkstave: Confusion, destruction, dissatisfaction, weakness.

Perthro: (P: Lot cup, vagina.) Uncertain meaning, a secret matter, a mystery, hidden things and occult abilities. Initiation, knowledge of one's destiny, knowledge of future matters, determining the future or your path. Pertaining to things feminine, feminine mysteries including female fertility, and vagina. Good lot, fellowship and joy. Evolutionary change. Perthro Reversed or Merkstave: Addiction, stagnation, loneliness, malaise.

Algiz: (Z or -R: Elk, protection.) Protection, a shield. The protective urge to shelter oneself or others. Defense, warding off of evil, shield, guardian. Connection with the gods, awakening, higher life. It can be used to channel energies appropriately. Follow your instincts. Keep hold of success or maintain a position won or earned. Algiz Reversed: or Merkstave: Hidden danger, consumption by divine forces, loss of divine link. Taboo, warning, turning away, that which repels.

Sowilo: (S: The sun.) Success, goals achieved, honor. The life-force, health. A time when power will be available to you for positive changes in your life, victory, health, and success. Contact between the higher self and the unconscious. Wholeness, power, elemental force, sword of flame, cleansing fire. Sowilo Merkstave (Sowilo cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): False goals, bad counsel, false success, gullibility, loss of goals. Destruction, retribution, justice, casting down of vanity. Wrath of god.


Tiwaz: (T: Tyr, the sky god.) Honor, justice, leadership and authority. Analysis, rationality. Knowing where one's true strengths lie. Willingness to self-sacrifice. Victory and success in any competition or in legal matters. Tiwaz Reversed or Merkstave: One's energy and creative flow are blocked. Mental paralysis, over-analysis, over-sacrifice, injustice, imbalance. Strife, war, conflict, failure in competition. Dwindling passion, difficulties in communication, and possibly separation.

Berkano: (B: Berchta, the birch-goddess.) Birth, general fertility, both mental and physical and personal growth, liberation. Regenerative power and light of spring, renewal, promise of new beginnings, new growth. Arousal of desire. A love affair or new birth. The prospering of an enterprise or venture. Berkano Reversed or Merkstave: Family problems and or domestic troubles. Anxiety about someone close to you. Carelessness, abandon, loss of control. Blurring of consciousness, deceit, sterility, stagnation.

Ehwaz: (E: Horse, two horses.) Transportation. May represent a horse, car, plane, boat or other vehicle. Movement and change for the better. Gradual development and steady progress are indicated. Harmony, teamwork, trust, loyalty. An ideal marriage or partnership. Confirmation beyond doubt the meanings of the runes around it. Ehwaz Reversed or Merkstave: This is not really a negative rune. A change is perhaps craved. Feeling restless or confined in a situation. Reckless haste, disharmony, mistrust, betrayal.

Mannaz: (M: Man, mankind.) The Self; the individual or the human race. Your attitude toward others and their attitudes towards you. Friends and enemies, social order. Intelligence, forethought, create, skill, ability. Divine structure, intelligence, awareness. Expect to receive some sort of aid or cooperation now. Mannaz Reversed or Merkstave: Depression, mortality, blindness, self-delusion. Cunning, slyness, manipulation, craftiness, calculation. Expect no help now.

Laguz: (L: Water, or a leek.) Flow, water, sea, a fertility source, the healing power of renewal. Life energy and organic growth. Imagination and psychic matters. Dreams, fantasies, mysteries, the unknown, the hidden, the deep, the underworld. Success in travel or acquisition, but with the possibility of loss. Laguz Reversed or Merkstave: An indication of a period of confusion in your life. You may be making wrong decisions and poor judgements. Lack of creativity and feelings of being in a rut. Fear, circular motion, avoidance, withering. Madness, obsession, despair, perversity, sickness, suicide.

Ingwaz: (NG: Ing, the earth god.) Male fertility, gestation, internal growth. Common virtues, common sense, simple strengths, family love, caring, human warmth, the home. Rest stage, a time of relief, of no anxiety. A time when all loose strings are tied and you are free to move in a new direction. Listen to yourself. Ingwaz Merkstave (Ingwaz cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): Impotence, movement without change. Production, toil, labor, work.

Dagaz: (D: Day or dawn.) Breakthrough, awakening, awareness. Daylight clarity as opposed to nighttime uncertainty. A time to plan or embark upon an enterprise. The power of change directed by your own will, transformation. Hope/happiness, the ideal. Security and certainty. Growth and release. Balance point, the place where opposites meet. Dagaz Merkstave (Dagaz cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): A completion, ending, limit, coming full circle. Blindness, hopelessness.

Othala: (O: Ancestral property.) Inherited property or possessions, a house, a home. What is truly important to one. Group order, group prosperity. Land of birth, spiritual heritage, experience and fundamental values. Aid in spiritual and physical journeys. Source of safety, increase and abundance. Othala Reversed or Merkstave: Lack of customary order, totalitarianism, slavery, poverty, homelessness. Bad karma, prejudice, clannishness, provincialism. What a man is bound to.
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posted August 26, 2014 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Ugh, I'm never going to get off this forum, why are all the topics so interesting? :groan:

I was just exploring the Norns two weeks ago.

Sco SKULD is in my H1, retro. At max 2°orb, it has no connections.

Leo URDA is in H10. Trine Mercury.

In synastry, I think it would be a good advisor contact. Being able to see into the other person's point's past or future.
In composite, possibly a view the couple has of their common future, or common past.


In the meantime, I found out there is indeed an asteroid named after Verdandi I corrected it in the OP.

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posted August 26, 2014 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
In the meantime, I found out there is indeed an asteroid named after Verdandi I corrected it in the OP.

So they found her afterall. Hm, do you think Verdandi might be used in horary as a strong indicator of the answer?

The runes are fascinating. I've never worked with them, have you?

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Yes, I play with the Runes, I've always wanted to connect them with astrology and I'm glad I've found the Norns to be attributed to asteroids.

I think you're right, Werdandi would be a strong indicator of the present in any reading. In horary, perhaps Skuld would show the final outcome.

I think in the natal Urda is related to the karmic past, our background, origins, the skills and everything else connected to the SN.


Werdandi must be connected to our main spiritual theme in this incarnation, what we need to develop, something important we experience/happening to us.

Skuld would most likely show our fate, our life direction, our NN.

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posted August 26, 2014 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh god, leeloo, I just fainted

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posted August 26, 2014 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why, Enneline? the thought of knowing your fate?

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posted August 26, 2014 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, that huge wealth of information

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posted August 26, 2014 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, the Runes rule!!!!!

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posted August 26, 2014 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All right now, don't be shy, reveal your Fates in natal, synastry, composite, Davison. Take a peak at your Draco as well.

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posted August 26, 2014 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay:

SKULD conjuncts my mc in aries along with ceres and eris

WERDANDA (2h) in leo conjuncts my merc/Jupiter in 1h in Leo

URDA (12h cancer) does not do much in my Chart except a sextile to chiron/Vesta in Taurus in 10h and Saturn/nn in virgo in 2h

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posted August 26, 2014 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about you, LeeLoo?

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posted August 26, 2014 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Okay:

SKULD conjuncts my mc in aries along with ceres and eris

WERDANDA (2h) in leo conjuncts my merc/Jupiter in 1h in Leo

URDA (12h cancer) does not do much in my Chart except a sextile to chiron/Vesta in Taurus in 10h and Saturn/nn in virgo in 2h


If you're not a boss now or a freelancer, you sure will be with your Skuld placement on MC with Ceres and Eris. Any connection between Skuld and your NN?

Your Werdandi emphasises the same theme: in Leo and 1st - it's important for your spiritual revolution to rule, to be a leader. Your Mercury/Jupiter conjunction is something you should develop strongly: you could be a writer, a traveler, a teacher with this one and, of course, anything the houses ruled by these planets suggest.

It looks like your Urda trines your Pisces SN and being in 12th Cancer it suggests your SN is very watery and 12th house.

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I was just thinking that these three could be of great use in any event chart, as Libran pointed out: for example in a First Meeting chart or in a Solar Return to show the three fates for the year or in progressions, transits etc. like the progressed composite etc. etc.

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posted August 26, 2014 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, I play with the Runes, I've always wanted to connect them with astrology and I'm glad I've found the Norns to be attributed to asteroids.

I think you're right, Werdandi would be a strong indicator of the present in any reading. In horary, perhaps Skuld would show the final outcome.

I think in the natal Urda is related to the karmic past, our background, origins, the skills and everything else connected to the SN.


Werdandi must be connected to our main spiritual theme in this incarnation, what we need to develop, something important we experience/happening to us.

Skuld would most likely show our fate, our life direction, our NN.



I like the SN-NN likening of Urda-Skuld. I'll try to explore that. At first, it seemed to me to be about the ability to see/make sense of, rather than being tied to personally. Has anyone done any research yet?

I'm looking at my draco now and
-dWERDANDI comes on my geo name asteroid in H9, a possible interpretation is that it is my goal to represent someone who understands what's going on around them and be able to philosophically relate cause and effect?
-dSKULD comes on my H12 cusp, on Juno/Adonis/Angel, possibly: goal is to be a loyal partner and advisor that can warn about the hidden dangers of the future?
-dURDA trines gPluto in H1, using deep emotions and understanding of what's hidden to be able to truly understand the past?

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posted August 26, 2014 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[b]Yes, I play with the Runes, I've always wanted to connect them with astrology and I'm glad I've found the Norns to be attributed to asteroids.

I think you're right, Werdandi would be a strong indicator of the present in any reading. In horary, perhaps Skuld would show the final outcome.

I think in the natal Urda is related to the karmic past, our background, origins, the skills and everything else connected to the SN.


Werdandi must be connected to our main spiritual theme in this incarnation, what we need to develop, something important we experience/happening to us.

Skuld would most likely show our fate, our life direction, our NN.


I like the SN-NN likening of Urda-Skuld. I'll try to explore that. At first, it seemed to me to be about the ability to see/make sense of, rather than being tied to personally. Has anyone done any research yet?

I'm looking at my draco now and
-dWERDANDI comes on my geo name asteroid in H9, a possible interpretation is that it is my goal to represent someone who understands what's going on around them?
-dSKULD comes on my H12 cusp, on Juno/Adonis/Angel, possibly: goal is to be a loyal partner and advisor that can warn about the hidden dangers of the future?
-dURDA trines gPluto in H1, using deep emotions and understanding of what's hidden to be able to truly understand the past?


To be honest, I don't see them like this, as US being able to understand past, present, future. Because they are like the Fates or think about the three fairies in Sleeping Beauty. At your birth, the fates were "cast" in the sky, by the three Norns, you had no saying in this. Looking at your charts, you can see what our past (SN weight) present (present incarnation) and future (life path, goal, direction) are, so they should have a predictive value, not a psychological, philosophical one, IMO.


For example, yours:

-dWERDANDI comes on my geo name asteroid in H9, a possible interpretation is that it is my goal to represent someone who understands what's going on around them?

I'd say 9th house issues and making a name for yourself/standing out in anything related to your natal 9th house is very important for your present incarnation when it comes to spiritual evolution. It is also suggested some important events will happen related to your 9th house.


-dSKULD comes on my H12 cusp, on Juno/Adonis/Angel, possibly: goal is to be a loyal partner and advisor that can warn about the hidden dangers of the future?

A soulmate partner is suggested here as part of your life path (Juno in connection to Angel and the 12th house)


-dURDA trines gPluto in H1, using deep emotions and understanding of what's hidden to be able to truly understand the past?

Is Urda in 1st, or Pluto? Where's Urda? any connection to your SN?

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Thanks for the brain food, LeeLoo, I'll have to think about all that.
My URDA is in gH10, dURDA falls in gH9, and is exactly opposite gNEPTUNE, haven't noticed that.


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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I was just thinking that these three could be of great use in any event chart, as Libran pointed out: for example in a First Meeting chart or in a Solar Return to show the three fates for the year or in progressions, transits etc. like the progressed composite etc. etc.



You know, now I'm starting to think about how you could integrate the Moirai and the Norns. If you calculated the various midpoints, you might really get somewhere. And if you put all of THAT in Draconic... My head is spinning a little.

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[b]I was just thinking that these three could be of great use in any event chart, as Libran pointed out: for example in a First Meeting chart or in a Solar Return to show the three fates for the year or in progressions, transits etc. like the progressed composite etc. etc.



You know, now I'm starting to think about how you could integrate the Moirai and the Norns. If you calculated the various midpoints, you might really get somewhere. And if you put all of THAT in Draconic... My head is spinning a little. [/B][/QUOTE]


Indeed. it would be a great research

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posted August 26, 2014 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enneline,

my Urda is exactly on my DSC (under 1 deg) and of course, conjunct Saturn. It suggests, together with Saturn, a fated partner, someone from previous lives, perhaps. It relates to my karma on SN (3) and my Moon, DSC ruler, trining SN exact.

my Werdandi conjuncts my Mercury (1) in Libra 8th. It is, as you know, my 5th and 8th ruler, and the disp of my Sun. Definitely a focal planet for me. It also rules my SN in Gem.

my Skuld conjuncts my Sun (3) squares my nodal axis. It is a nice parallel with my Sun squaring nodal axis.

The same placements are kept in Draco, of course, but comparing these Draco Norns with my natal I have:

Draco Urda in the 9th
Draco Werdandi also conjuncts Pluto, my MC ruler, falling in my 1st house - another independence/leadership marker like yours.
Draco Skuld/Sun conjuncts Neptune, my NN/10th planet, the one in mutual reception with Jupiter, my NN ruler.

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posted August 26, 2014 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also wanted to give an astonishing predictive example of the Norns: comparing my SR chart with his SR chart for our meeting, I see:

In my SR, Mars conjuncts Urda on ASC - meeting an important man from the past.
my Werdandi conjuncts Venus (1) near IC - finding love

my Skuld conjuncts Union in the 12th - the future is a mystery for that year or the Union will be strongly "12th house", but not in the immediate future.


In his SR, his Urda conjuncts his Jupiter near IC, Jupiter ruling MC (in his natal, it rules his NN and his Sun) - something from the past projects into the future.

his Werdandi in Libra opp his Skuld exact

Now, the synastric contacts are impressive:

This Werdandi/Skuld fated opp of his in his SR is on my IC/MC (0)! Werdandi conjunct IC, Skuld conjunct MC.

His Jupiter/Urda is the apex of a synastric Yod with NN/Saturn/Pluto sextile releasing in a mutual Cupido conjunction on his MC for that year.

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Wow; it's been a long time since I studied the Runes.

This is quick so I disavow any errors I may have made; all orbs 2 or less (mostly much less):

My natal Urda trine natal Moon, Mars and N.N.; sextile Skuld. Sextiles his Lachesis, squares his Klotho, and semisextiles his ASC. Conjunct helio Composite Moira and his name asteroid in both my natal and his natal (nickname in his chart; actual given name in my chart).

My natal Werdandi sextile natal Moon, square Jupiter, sextile N.N. and Urda; conjunct his natal Lachesis, his Vesta (wider at 3) and his name asteroid in my natal.

My natal Skuld trine my ASC and conjunct Davison Moon. Biquintile his Moon, square his Mercury, conjunct his Moira and Pluto, trine his Ceres, and sextile his Urda.

His natal Urda conjunct natal Neptune, sextile Pluto, quincunx Mercury. Conjunct my Alma, square my Uranus, quintile my Urda, sextile my Skuld, and sextile my ASC.

His natal Werdandi opposite his natal Mars and trine his Uranus. Conjunct my Eros and Juno, and Composite Spirit; quincunx my Vesta, sextile my Atropos.

His natal Skuld conjunct his Valentine, opposite his Moon, and semisextile his N.N. Squares my Sun, conjunct my Moira and Composite Venus.

Composite:

Urda sextile Venus
Werdandi opposite Mars
Skuld conjunct Sun and Moira, trine Chiron and Juno, sextile Vesta, biquintile MC

Davison:

Urda semisextile Sun, trine Uranus, square Pallas, square Vesta
Werdandi conjunct Sun, trine Pallas, sextile Vesta
Skuld semisquare Mercury, opposite Uranus, trine N.N., sextile Atropos (and conjunct my Lachesis exact). [We're both as old as the hills, so that doesn't scare me too bad].

Do you think there might be some fate involved in our relationship?

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posted August 26, 2014 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha you're kidding, right?? major fate here! Comments inside your quote.

quote:
Originally posted by Delilah423:
Wow; it's been a long time since I studied the Runes.

This is quick so I disavow any errors I may have made; all orbs 2 or less (mostly much less):

My natal Urda trine natal Moon, Mars and N.N.; sextile Skuld. Sextiles his Lachesis, squares his Klotho, and semisextiles his ASC. Conjunct helio Composite Moira and his name asteroid in both my natal and his natal (nickname in his chart; actual given name in my chart).

Urda sextiles SN then. Where is Urda? house/sign. It should tell you more about your SN weight

My natal Werdandi sextile natal Moon, square Jupiter, sextile N.N. and Urda; conjunct his natal Lachesis, his Vesta (wider at 3) and his name asteroid in my natal.

Your Werdandi suggests unexpected events in your life, perhaps related to women and to the house Jupiter rules. Is it true?


My natal Skuld trine my ASC and conjunct Davison Moon. Biquintile his Moon, square his Mercury, conjunct his Moira and Pluto, trine his Ceres, and sextile his Urda.


His natal Urda conjunct natal Neptune, sextile Pluto, quincunx Mercury. Conjunct my Alma, square my Uranus, quintile my Urda, sextile my Skuld, and sextile my ASC.


his Urda suggests a SN permeated by Neptune. What Neptune rules will tell you more, but it's a bit like having SN conjunct Neptune.


His natal Werdandi opposite his natal Mars and trine his Uranus. Conjunct my Eros and Juno, and Composite Spirit; quincunx my Vesta, sextile my Atropos.


his Werdandi suggests action, traveling, initiative, Uranian and Mars activities are major for his spiritual evolution. is this true?

His natal Skuld conjunct his Valentine, opposite his Moon, and semisextile his N.N. Squares my Sun, conjunct my Moira and Composite Venus.


his Skuld suggests a life path connected to love and the possibility to experience true love in this life
Composite:

Urda sextile Venus
Werdandi opposite Mars
Skuld conjunct Sun and Moira, trine Chiron and Juno, sextile Vesta, biquintile MC

Davison:

Urda semisextile Sun, trine Uranus, square Pallas, square Vesta
Werdandi conjunct Sun, trine Pallas, sextile Vesta
Skuld semisquare Mercury, opposite Uranus, trine N.N., sextile Atropos (and conjunct my Lachesis exact). [We're both as old as the hills, so that doesn't scare me too bad].

Do you think there might be some fate involved in our relationship?

both your synastric and composite connections with the Norns seem very strong. Are you together with Skuld and Werdandi conjunct comp./Davison Sun?


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posted August 26, 2014 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my Urda conjunct his ASC-Uranus
my Werda conjunct his Juno-Pluto
my Skuld conjunct his Vesta exact

his Urda conjunct my Moon widely
his Werda conjunct my Juno and Amor exact and Mercury

composite Werda conjunct Juno
composite Skuld conjunct Jupiter exact

So you're telling me this obsession will never go away?

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posted August 26, 2014 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This too shall pass


....but totally unbeatable aspects, Cappy

What about your natal aspects?

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