posted August 06, 2014 01:55 PM            

I wanted to talk about something that cannot be a coincidence because it's always the the case!

Whenever someone's black moon lilith is conjunct the sun in their natal chart, it means that their mothers are repulsed by the father of the child/their husband/ex-husband.

Black moon lilith in the chart represents what your mother/other figure in life hates about you, or is repulsed by. She shows merciless cruelty to you in that part of your chart.

I have discovered that in 4 people's charts an they all agreed with it!

I BET YOU THAT IF SOMEONE'S BLACK MOON LILITH IS CONJUNCT THEIR SUN THEIR MOTHERS HATE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT PERSON'S FATHER.

I have also noticed in sibling's charts that black moon lilith is conjunct usually to the same planet/luminary.

For example, there are two sisters who have both their sun conjunct BML and their mother doesn't like her husband (their father). She doesn't like his looks in this case.

In another case, there were brothers are sisters who both had Moon conjunct BML! Now what does that mean? I knew their mother quite well and she was known to be very self-insecure about herself. She had self-hatred and did not want her children to look like her (which was a shame she thought like that because she is quite pretty) but for some reason she's always very self-insecure.

I couldn't believe no one yet discovered the function of BML.

People believe in the myth of the asteroids too literally. The myths of each symbol/asteroid is a code/hidden message to explain the function of it.

Here are the meanings of BML conjunct some planets if you have it:

(Note that I said only CONJUNCT, not opposite/square/trine/etc)

BML CONJUNCT:

1. SUN: Your mother hates your father for some reason.

2. MOON: Your mother is self-insecure and has self-hatred for some reason.

3. Venus: Your mother hates you expressing your femininity, she may hate your taste in things (clothing/furniture/partners/etc), she doesn't like you to socialize too much.

4. Mars: Your mother hates your way of expressing yourself, she may discourage you and underestimate you.

5. Jupiter: Your mother probably hates your father a little bit, or she may hate your teachers.

6. Saturn: Your mother may hate you seeing suffering, she doesn't like it when you're depressed and she may not let anyone punish/be mean to you.

7. Uranus: Your mother may hate your rebelliousness, she may disagree with your originality, and she may want you to stick with traditional rules.

8. Neptune: Your mother hates it when you watch too much TV, movies, be weak, or indulge in unrealistic stuff. She hates your weakness.

9. Pluto: Your mother hates it when you're being possessive and/or secretive.

10. Juno: Your mother may not agree the partner you choose in life.

11. Ascendant: Your mother may hate you for some reason. She doesn't really love you maybe (sorry about that).

I hope you find it true!

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posted August 06, 2014 02:53 PM            

3. Venus: Your mother hates you expressing your femininity, she may hate your taste in things (clothing/furniture/partners/etc), she doesn't like you to socialize too much.

4. Mars: Your mother hates your way of expressing yourself, she may discourage you and underestimate you.

She normally did not approve of my boyfriends or choice of friends nor my choice of spirituality which is a combo of some buddhism I suppose with astrology. She wanted me to take buddha of my wedding registry and we had a huge fight bc of it. She always pushed for me to become close friends with the daughters of her friends for example and I had other ideas, venus rules my 11th house.

She always feels I am too passionate in how I express myself and wanted me to take drugs growing up to control me. She didn't listen to me growing up.

posted August 06, 2014 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
My BML opposes my venus/mars in the 9th conjunction.

3. Venus: Your mother hates you expressing your femininity, she may hate your taste in things (clothing/furniture/partners/etc), she doesn't like you to socialize too much.

4. Mars: Your mother hates your way of expressing yourself, she may discourage you and underestimate you.

She normally did not approve of my boyfriends or choice of friends nor my choice of spirituality which is a combo of some buddhism I suppose with astrology. She wanted me to take buddha of my wedding registry and we had a huge fight bc of it. She always pushed for me to become close friends with the daughters of her friends for example and I had other ideas, venus rules my 11th house.

She always feels I am too passionate in how I express myself and wanted me to take drugs growing up to control me. She didn't listen to me growing up.

*She did and does belief in my abilities though and was and is very supportive of my education.

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I see. But it would not count if the BLM opposes your planets. What I stated was only for the conjunction.

But in your case, because BML is opposing you venus and mars, your Priapus would be conjuncting those planets (priapus is always the opposite of the BML and instead of the moon being repulsed, it is instead forceful and controlling.

In your case, because Priapus is conjuncting you Venus and Mars, your mother is too controlling about who you meet/your relationships/sexuality. In this case she does not underestimate/discourage you or disagree with your tastes but she may be too controlling and care too much about these parts of your life, on the contrary.

I hope it makes more sense now x

posted August 06, 2014 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I see. But it would not count if the BLM opposes your planets. What I stated was only for the conjunction.

But in your case, because BML is opposing you venus and mars, your Priapus would be conjuncting those planets (priapus is always the opposite of the BML and instead of the moon being repulsed, it is instead forceful and controlling.

In your case, because Priapus is conjuncting you Venus and Mars, your mother is too controlling about who you meet/your relationships/sexuality. In this case she does not underestimate/discourage you or disagree with your tastes but she may be too controlling and care too much about these parts of your life, on the contrary.

I hope it makes more sense now x

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My h22 (priapus)does not oppose my venus/mars. My priapus squares my chart ruler jupiter and uranus.

ADD:

My mom has moon in Taurus and cap sun and her venus opposes pluto. I have moon in pisces squaring neptune in the first and my moon rules my 8th house. My sister has moon in scorpio. My brother has moon in Tauras.

posted August 06, 2014 03:37 PM            

Like my husband's pluto conjuncts lilith and both fall in the 6th house but his pluto rules his 7th.

He hates his mother and I guess perhaps he sees her more as an enemy. She divorced his dad and he never forgave her for that. His pluto also squares nessus and conjuncts dejanira.

posted August 06, 2014 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Its an interesting theory but I think you have to look at the houses the planets fall on to really get a good picture as well as what house the planet involved rules and other factors.

Like my husband's pluto conjuncts lilith and both fall in the 6th house but his pluto rules his 7th.

He hates his mother and I guess perhaps he sees her more as an enemy. She divorced his dad and he never forgave her for that. His pluto also squares nessus and conjuncts dejanira.

His issues with his mom affects our relationships; meeting up with her puts him in a dark mood and triggers bad fights with me; is like he transfers issues with her onto me. Even her sending him an email can lead to him getting in this dark mood and fights with me. He stopped seeing her and since he stopped seeing her and she stopped loooking for him we have been getting along much better. When she gets in his radar though it puts him in a real dark mood. I know in a deep level he feels rejected by her and not accepted as he is.

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Yes of course, the houses and the sign it is in counts too. Pluto is a very intense planet and it is the ruler of the sign in which the moon itself is in its fall (scorpio). So with the BML there, it is quite intense for you bf, BML is a sad and ugly truth about our charts. I am sorry for your boyfriend who feels rejected by his mother. Because of his mother neglecting such a precious and intense part of him (pluto) he must feel quite neglected by her and he might feel extremely angry, boiling from inside and a certain kind of helplessness. Ask me because I myself have BML with my sun so I know what it does. x

posted August 06, 2014 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
My h22 (priapus)does not oppose my venus/mars. My priapus squares my chart ruler jupiter and uranus.

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I never said it opposed your venus/mars. I said it was probably conjunct it. But if it's not then it's my bad maybe I did a mistake with the name. But whatever it's called, the opposite of BML is what makes it controlling/forceful.

posted August 06, 2014 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Yes of course, the houses and the sign it is in counts too. Pluto is a very intense planet and it is the ruler of the sign in which the moon itself is in its fall (scorpio). So with the BML there, it is quite intense for you bf, BML is a sad and ugly truth about our charts. I am sorry for your boyfriend who feels rejected by his mother. Because of his mother neglecting such a precious and intense part of him (pluto) he must feel quite neglected by her and he might feel extremely angry, boiling from inside and a certain kind of helplessness. Ask me because I myself have BML with my sun so I know what it does. x

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I want to clarify:

His moon is in cancer and this squares his sun.

His Pluto conjuncts lilith in libra and this conjunction falls in his 6th house. Pluto rules his 7th.

posted August 06, 2014 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I never said it opposed your venus/mars. I said it was probably conjunct it. But if it's not then it's my bad maybe I did a mistake with the name. But whatever it's called, the opposite of BML is what makes it controlling/forceful.

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Priapus is in virgo at 7 degrees

Venus is in leo 23 degrees
mars is in leo 24 degrees

posted August 06, 2014 03:54 PM            

Do you also feel that BML also means other things in addition to representing our mother?

posted August 06, 2014 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Priapus is in virgo at 7 degrees

Venus is in leo 23 degrees
mars is in leo 24 degrees

so close but not conjuncting.

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I know that a typical conjunction is supposed to be between 8-9 degrees but I personally think that Priapus still has a bit of influence on these planets because:

1. The priapus means where the moon is closest to the earth and so it appears extremely big (the forcefulness and control of the mother) so it would definitely influence much more than the other planets that are millions/billions of miles away.

2. You said it yourself how it affected you in your life and I think that proves it.

xx

posted August 06, 2014 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I know that a typical conjunction is supposed to be between 8-9 degrees but I personally think that Priapus still has a bit of influence on these planets because:

1. The priapus means where the moon is closest to the earth and so it appears extremely big (the forcefulness and control of the mother) so it would definitely influence much more than the other planets that are millions/billions of miles away.

2. You said it yourself how it affected you in your life and I think that proves it.

xx

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Priapus would be closer to my mercury retro in virgo at 17 degrees and even closer to my MC at 14 degrees.

Priapus would oppose my IC then.

But I dont understand what priapus has to do with the mother.

I think poor boundaries with my mother are explained by the moon in the 4th squaring neptune in my first and issues with who I date, friends I make etc is bc my moon in the 4th inconjuncts my venus in the 9th.

posted August 06, 2014 04:22 PM            

Lilith just isn't that cut-and-dried, and everyone 'hates' something about someone. So, if THAT's our litmus, it's gonna result in many, many false positives.

posted August 06, 2014 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I have to respectfully disagree.

Lilith just isn't that cut-and-dried, and everyone 'hates' something about someone. So, if THAT's our litmus, it's gonna result in many, many false positives.

In fact, I tend to wince at any theory which paints a point in an entirely negative light. BML, like many things, has too many facets to try and oversimplify it to the point of absurdity. Ya know?

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posted August 06, 2014 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Ask me because I myself have BML with my sun so I know what it does. x

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Forgive my stating the obvious, but you're very young and hardly representative of the population of BML-SUN. Also, what orb are you using?

I take issue with such absolutist statements, especially when cloaked in the guise of science, or statistics. Your personal experience, while hardly discounted, is simply not representative. It COULD be, when taken in conjunction with a statistically significant sample size.

posted August 06, 2014 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Priapus would be closer to my mercury retro in virgo at 17 degrees and even closer to my MC at 14 degrees.

Priapus would oppose my IC then.

But I dont understand what priapus has to do with the mother.

I think poor boundaries with my mother are explained by the moon in the 4th squaring neptune in my first and issues with who I date, friends I make etc is bc my moon in the 4th inconjuncts my venus in the 9th.

**I do like your BML theory though and think you are starting on something there!

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Thanks

Priapus is usually somewhere opposite of BML.

BML represents the place where the moon is the farthest from earth.

Moon = Mother.

So that means that where the BML is, it shows neglect, coldness, harshness, cruelty from the part of the mother.

But Priapus is where the moon is the closest to the earth.

That means the Priapus shows where the mother exerts her force and control in us. She wants to control us in that particular part of our chart, as opposed to the BML's placement.

What do you think the myth of Priapus having a large private means? No it doesn't literally mean that if we have moon conjunct priapus we'll have that too. We should look at the symbolism. Moon controls people's hormones/excitements/feelings. In the myth of priapus, we see how he cannot control his feelings and needs affection. That shows the moon of our mother who can't help but control and show her affection in an exaggerated way in that part of her life.

While the BML, there it shows the moon neglecting and being cruel because of its lack of affection. BML is extremely cruel. It's like when it hurts more when someone ignores you than being mean to you.

That is why during the full moon, people's feelings/control on themselves becomes lose.

our mother represents affection and love (or the lack of). BML and Priapus are these two extremes where both the lack of, or the addition of affection are both crazy and dangerous. They occur without logical thinking on the part of our mothers. It's something uncontrollable for them. Just like we have mood swings during our period.

Because it all has to do with the moon. The moon is the reason for making people lunatic (that's where the word lunatic comes from). Lol.

If you don't believe me you can google the scientific explanation of BML and perigee moon (or priapus in astrology) to understand better.

xx

posted August 06, 2014 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I have to respectfully disagree.

Lilith just isn't that cut-and-dried, and everyone 'hates' something about someone. So, if THAT's our litmus, it's gonna result in many, many false positives.

In fact, I tend to wince at any theory which paints a point in an entirely negative light. BML, like many things, has too many facets to try and oversimplify it to the point of absurdity. Ya know?

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I am sorry IndigoDirae but that's my belief. You don't have to agree with it if you don't want but I personally have this in my chart and have seen it in all the ones who had it too.

I, personally believe in this.

I don't see why I shouldn't.

But I'm not forcing this belief on anyone, and if you have a different opinion on BML, so be it. xx

posted August 06, 2014 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I know that a typical conjunction is supposed to be between 8-9 degrees but I personally think that Priapus still has a bit of influence on these planets because:

1. The priapus means where the moon is closest to the earth and so it appears extremely big (the forcefulness and control of the mother) so it would definitely influence much more than the other planets that are millions/billions of miles away.

2. You said it yourself how it affected you in your life and I think that proves it.

xx

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... NO.

Flat out -- NO.

ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE IS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING. PERIOD.

PRIAPUS has NOTHING to do with the maternal experience; frankly, BML doesn't either, but I'd be willing to at least test it. But PRIAPUS? No.

PRIAPUS is the vulnerability point; it's where we have a powerful drive to merge, which is often unconscious, and can be overwhelming if tapped. It can be sexual, but it is largely a sense of 'merging' -- however that may be achieved, as it depends.

I highly suggest reading Donna Cunningham, if you're interested in lunar archetypes, as she, literally, wrote the book. Then supplement with Liz Greene (if you haven't) and Demetra George, when you'd like to learn more about the BML concept.

posted August 06, 2014 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I want to clarify:

His moon is in cancer and this squares his sun.

His Pluto conjuncts lilith in libra and this conjunction falls in his 6th house. Pluto rules his 7th.

His DC is in scorpio and is why I said that pluto rules his DC.

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Okay. But I was just talking about having lilith conjunct pluto and what that might be like for him in general.

xx

posted August 06, 2014 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
So you view BML as the dark side of our mothers??

Do you also feel that BML also means other things in addition to representing our mother?

kind of like the moon which represents our mother but also how we feel?

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Yes, the moon is generally the perception we have of our mother.

But the BML is the crazy heartless, cruel, and unaffectionate part, while priapus is also crazy, but here she is overly controlling, attached, and clingy. xx