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Faith
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posted December 14, 2016 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami just said, on this thread:

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This is my opinion of the aspect that gets me in the most trouble--Nessus conj the ASC. That person will need to face the desires to abuse. This person will need to face this trait within herself, more than someone who does not have a prominent Nessus. Once, these traits are TRULY faced, they can be worked with. However, if the person denies them, it is hopeless.

What are your thoughts?

I think this comment is abusive in itself.

For reference and comparison:

Celebrities with ASC conjunct Nessus:

David Letterman
8 Taurus ASC
8 Taurus Nessus

Steve Winwood
11 Taurus ASC
10 Taurus Nessus

Randy Travis
26 Taurus ASC
24 Taurus Nessus

Phillip Michael Thomas
12 Taurus ASC
12 Taurus Nessus

Suzanne Somers
9 Taurus ASC
8 Taurus Nessus

Daryl Hannah
28 Taurus ASC
26 Taurus Nessus

Matthew McConaughey
Wide orb:
12 Gemini ASC
15 Gemini Nessus

Christina Applegate
19 Gemini ASC
20 Gemini Nessus

Ricky Martin
20 Gemini ASC
19 Gemini Nessus

Benicio Del Toro
4 Gemini ASC
6 Gemini Nessus

Please don't quote, work in progress

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Violets
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posted December 14, 2016 10:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm actually glad that you started this thread, because I literally just messaged someone about Nessus (because it does seem sort of unpleasant when it's actually active in a chart or synastry, but I've never paid much mind to Nessus, except superficially).

I do sort of want to know if anyone has had any "good" experiences with this asteroid?!

I agree, the mentality of assuming someone is in denial about a placement if it doesn't fit their life/personality is unprofessional and potentially damaging to people who are easily influenced and vulnerable emotionally, etc.

But I actually want to know about this stupid asteroid (for real).

I know someone who has this conjunct their Dsc, and they are, in fact, a bully in a sneaky, insidious type of way (trust me, I have known this person since birth, if you get my drift).

Also, someone in my family has Nessus conjunct my husband's Osiris and my Isis (they're conjunct, of course), and they do create quite a bit of havoc for us, although we're fine in general.

Not sure about on the Asc, though. I'm looking now to see if I know anyone with it.

But...yeah, assuming that if someone has a placement and the cookbook description doesn't fit for them, they must be in denial is a bit...off. I'm wording that very blandly, of course.

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posted December 14, 2016 10:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll add that I have Juno conjunct Chiron in natal, and it has literally taken me decades to start figuring out what this implies. Because it has taken decades for me to find someone I wanted to actually marry, lol.

It's actually a very positive placement for me, which would be the opposite of what one would expect from that conjunction.

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posted December 14, 2016 10:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, don't quote me on this, please. If it turns into a big argument I don't want my personal stuff being up for everyone to gawk at.

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posted December 14, 2016 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for chiming in, Violets.

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posted December 14, 2016 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 14, 2016 12:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hopefully it goes without saying that I agree with you about assigning blanket statements to placements. They can play out in so many ways.

I'll add to your comments about Nessus that the people I know who have it conjunct either in natal or synastry have other aspects that would absolutely contribute to any negative qualities of Nessus's presence.

But, on a different but sort of related topic, I've noticed that Chiron transits cause me anything but pain.

It's true that where Chiron is in my chart has created some regrets, the things I wish I had been able to do but couldn't, or general environment.

However...the aspects with Chiron in my chart are the opposite of what one would presume if they only associated Chiron with pain.

Still having my coffee and recuperating from getting my little guy and husband out the door this morning, lol.

Cold coffee. -_-

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posted December 14, 2016 12:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, I'm clearly not a person for keeping a conversation on track, so... I was just glad that your thread popped up just as I happened to be wondering about the asteroid.


Hm.
Edit.

Regarding the people I've mentioned with Nessus, they both have Nessus making hard aspects to either Chart Ruler (Pluto in one case), or Sun. By less than two degrees.

So yeah, I think there's something to be said about it not being a super wonderful asteroid, but I'm sure it has its place if used constructively.

The person who has it square their Sun also has many more positive qualities than the person who has it square their Pluto and conjunct their Dsc.

Just observing here, looking around at only a couple of charts.

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posted December 14, 2016 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Violets:

I do sort of want to know if anyone has had any "good" experiences with this asteroid?!



Hey Violets, I started a thread before where people were sharing alternative interpretations of Nessus. I'll have a look for it for you

EDT here it is:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/004229.html

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posted December 14, 2016 02:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hey Violets, I started a thread before where people were sharing alternative interpretations of Nessus. I'll have a look for it for you

EDT here it is:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/004229.html


Thank you!
I shall be taking a look at that, Voix.

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posted December 14, 2016 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, Faith.

I can't remember where my Nessus is. I never checked the position of it for anyone I know, and I don't have access to a computer right now. Anything that's happened, I can usually attribute to Pluto, Saturn, Chiron, and most recently Uranus.

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posted December 15, 2016 03:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami is writing off people who disagree with her astrological directives as being 'in denial'. So, they are mentally unsound in her view. How is that logical?!! This reveals more about her state of mind, not others'. I don't think someone who's erected such a self-protective barrier, which is essentially a barrier to question her own thinking, should be advising others.

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posted December 15, 2016 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AstroKeen,

I really strongly disagree with the Nessus- ASC theory and believe it is wrong to judge someone's character on the basis of their chart.

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Here are some charts of famous abusers (of different levels of severity and different types) and their Nessus placements.

Nessus can be checked quickly using true-node.com (click on eph 1, enter Nessus in the list field, enter birthdate.) I am not entering place/time at true-node, so Nessus may be off a few minutes.


Jeffrey Dahmer
19 Libra ASC
26 Taurus Nessus

OJ Simpson
24 Leo ASC
10 Taurus Nessus

Charles Manson
5 Taurus ASC
24 Aries Nessus

John Wayne Gacy
1 Sag ASC
2 Taurus Nessus

Richard Ramirez
22 Sag ASC
24 Taurus Nessus

Bill Cosby
20 Aries ASC
29 Aries Nessus

Chris Brown
14 Leo ASC
19 Virgo Nessus

Bernie Madoff
28 Leo ASC
29 Aries Nessus

Jim Jones
4 Cap ASC
22 Aries Nessus

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posted December 15, 2016 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adolf Hilter
26 Libra ASC
21 Aqua Nessus

Josef Mengele
11 Cancer ASC
28 Pisces Nessus

Mao Zedong
13 Cap ASC
28 Aqua Nessus

Patty Hearst
4 Virgo ASC
0 Gemini Nessus

Susan Atkins
1 Aqua ASC
10 Taurus Nessus

Eric Harris
26 Scorpio ASC
19 Cancer Nessus

Brenda Spencer
18 Taurus ASC
28 Taurus Nessus

Jodi Arias
13 Taurus ASC
19 Cancer Nessus

So far I haven't found one Nessus-ASC person amongst these famous abusers.

Please feel free to add data or verifiable examples of Nessus-ASC abusers if you can find any. I have not found any.

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posted December 15, 2016 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Violets

Edit, accidentally quoted you.

I'll just say thank you for sharing your observations of people with prominent Nessus. Hope we do learn more about this asteroid over time.

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posted December 15, 2016 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Voix

Thanks for linking that!

@teasel

quote:
I can't remember where my Nessus is.

That makes me happy. I get tired of Nessus drama.

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posted December 18, 2016 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Ami just said, on this thread:

What are your thoughts?

I think this comment is abusive in itself.


my brother once hit me and spit me in the face he said i always opressed him, for years

but i am not able to bully ppl

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posted December 18, 2016 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
my brother once hit me and spit me in the face he said i always opressed him, for years

but i am not able to bully ppl


Do either of you have ASC conjunct Nessus?

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posted December 18, 2016 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have it faith, but 3 degrees apart and in libra haha

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posted December 18, 2016 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but I have this vibe of mine that shies ppl off

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posted December 18, 2016 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
but I have this vibe of mine that shies ppl off

It could be any number of things, though.

quote:
Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
but i am not able to bully ppl

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posted December 19, 2016 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah it could be a number of things.

But sometimes I think that if i trully express myself it would be seen as "playing out of the rules" (grotesc) in our society

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posted December 19, 2016 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess we have to see the hole think with the "abuse" in a more neutral way.

To abuse you have to be in a higher position than someone.

The other person has to feel that you are stronger than her.

I never have seen David Letterman a lot, but I know in some degree how he makes his show.
On fact he is one of the best man i have seen making shows like these.
From what I have seen he is a smart man, don`t gets intimidated by guests, and most of all he likes to make fun out of them.

making fun out of someone, could this be abuse?

Benicio and Matthew, both beautifull man,
Can you see abusive potentiall in theyr face? haha
especially Benicio, I think, has a strong face, that matches the theme.

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posted December 19, 2016 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
https://www.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjAzODgzNjg1OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjU5OTcxOA%40%40._V1_UX214_CR0,0,214,317_AL_.jpg&imgref url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0859365/&h=317&w=214&tbnid=BaeCnRSJd8LlcM:&vet=1&tbnh=186&tbnw=125&docid=cmrNUn-POmL71M&itg=1&usg=__5AgLlRyIauFdC0ZIHhrjS4FHyys=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-3s DZk4DRAhWMgpAKHS_RC_0Q_B0IjQEwCg&ei=ksRXWL7NDYyFwgSvoq_oDw

here his Phillips first pic also,

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posted December 19, 2016 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
I guess we have to see the hole think with the "abuse" in a more neutral way.

Why?

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