posted December 14, 2016 10:13 AM            

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This is my opinion of the aspect that gets me in the most trouble--Nessus conj the ASC. That person will need to face the desires to abuse. This person will need to face this trait within herself, more than someone who does not have a prominent Nessus. Once, these traits are TRULY faced, they can be worked with. However, if the person denies them, it is hopeless.

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What are your thoughts?

I think this comment is abusive in itself.

For reference and comparison:

Celebrities with ASC conjunct Nessus:

David Letterman
8 Taurus ASC
8 Taurus Nessus

Steve Winwood
11 Taurus ASC
10 Taurus Nessus

Randy Travis
26 Taurus ASC
24 Taurus Nessus

Phillip Michael Thomas
12 Taurus ASC
12 Taurus Nessus

Suzanne Somers
9 Taurus ASC
8 Taurus Nessus

Daryl Hannah
28 Taurus ASC
26 Taurus Nessus

Matthew McConaughey
Wide orb:
12 Gemini ASC
15 Gemini Nessus

Christina Applegate
19 Gemini ASC
20 Gemini Nessus

Ricky Martin
20 Gemini ASC
19 Gemini Nessus

Benicio Del Toro
4 Gemini ASC
6 Gemini Nessus

posted December 14, 2016 10:29 AM              

I do sort of want to know if anyone has had any "good" experiences with this asteroid?!

I agree, the mentality of assuming someone is in denial about a placement if it doesn't fit their life/personality is unprofessional and potentially damaging to people who are easily influenced and vulnerable emotionally, etc.

But I actually want to know about this stupid asteroid (for real).

I know someone who has this conjunct their Dsc, and they are, in fact, a bully in a sneaky, insidious type of way (trust me, I have known this person since birth, if you get my drift).

Also, someone in my family has Nessus conjunct my husband's Osiris and my Isis (they're conjunct, of course), and they do create quite a bit of havoc for us, although we're fine in general.

Not sure about on the Asc, though. I'm looking now to see if I know anyone with it.

But...yeah, assuming that if someone has a placement and the cookbook description doesn't fit for them, they must be in denial is a bit...off. I'm wording that very blandly, of course.

posted December 14, 2016 12:05 PM              

I'll add to your comments about Nessus that the people I know who have it conjunct either in natal or synastry have other aspects that would absolutely contribute to any negative qualities of Nessus's presence.

But, on a different but sort of related topic, I've noticed that Chiron transits cause me anything but pain.

It's true that where Chiron is in my chart has created some regrets, the things I wish I had been able to do but couldn't, or general environment.

However...the aspects with Chiron in my chart are the opposite of what one would presume if they only associated Chiron with pain.

Still having my coffee and recuperating from getting my little guy and husband out the door this morning, lol.

Cold coffee. -_-

posted December 14, 2016 12:12 PM              

Hm.
Edit.

Regarding the people I've mentioned with Nessus, they both have Nessus making hard aspects to either Chart Ruler (Pluto in one case), or Sun. By less than two degrees.

So yeah, I think there's something to be said about it not being a super wonderful asteroid, but I'm sure it has its place if used constructively.

The person who has it square their Sun also has many more positive qualities than the person who has it square their Pluto and conjunct their Dsc.

posted December 14, 2016 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:

I do sort of want to know if anyone has had any "good" experiences with this asteroid?!

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Hey Violets, I started a thread before where people were sharing alternative interpretations of Nessus. I'll have a look for it for you

posted December 14, 2016 02:11 PM              

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hey Violets, I started a thread before where people were sharing alternative interpretations of Nessus. I'll have a look for it for you

EDT here it is:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/004229.html

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posted December 15, 2016 10:13 PM            

I really strongly disagree with the Nessus- ASC theory and believe it is wrong to judge someone's character on the basis of their chart.

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Here are some charts of famous abusers (of different levels of severity and different types) and their Nessus placements.

Nessus can be checked quickly using true-node.com (click on eph 1, enter Nessus in the list field, enter birthdate.) I am not entering place/time at true-node, so Nessus may be off a few minutes.

Jeffrey Dahmer
19 Libra ASC
26 Taurus Nessus

OJ Simpson
24 Leo ASC
10 Taurus Nessus

Charles Manson
5 Taurus ASC
24 Aries Nessus

John Wayne Gacy
1 Sag ASC
2 Taurus Nessus

Richard Ramirez
22 Sag ASC
24 Taurus Nessus

Bill Cosby
20 Aries ASC
29 Aries Nessus

Chris Brown
14 Leo ASC
19 Virgo Nessus

Bernie Madoff
28 Leo ASC
29 Aries Nessus

posted December 15, 2016 10:17 PM            

Josef Mengele
11 Cancer ASC
28 Pisces Nessus

Mao Zedong
13 Cap ASC
28 Aqua Nessus

Patty Hearst
4 Virgo ASC
0 Gemini Nessus

Susan Atkins
1 Aqua ASC
10 Taurus Nessus

Eric Harris
26 Scorpio ASC
19 Cancer Nessus

Brenda Spencer
18 Taurus ASC
28 Taurus Nessus

Jodi Arias
13 Taurus ASC
19 Cancer Nessus

So far I haven't found one Nessus-ASC person amongst these famous abusers.

posted December 15, 2016 10:26 PM            

Thanks for linking that!

@teasel

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I can't remember where my Nessus is.

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posted December 18, 2016 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ami just said, on this thread:

What are your thoughts?

I think this comment is abusive in itself.

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my brother once hit me and spit me in the face he said i always opressed him, for years

posted December 18, 2016 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
my brother once hit me and spit me in the face he said i always opressed him, for years

but i am not able to bully ppl

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posted December 18, 2016 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
but I have this vibe of mine that shies ppl off

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It could be any number of things, though.

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
but i am not able to bully ppl

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posted December 19, 2016 06:28 AM            

To abuse you have to be in a higher position than someone.

The other person has to feel that you are stronger than her.

I never have seen David Letterman a lot, but I know in some degree how he makes his show.
On fact he is one of the best man i have seen making shows like these.
From what I have seen he is a smart man, don`t gets intimidated by guests, and most of all he likes to make fun out of them.

making fun out of someone, could this be abuse?

posted December 19, 2016 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
I guess we have to see the hole think with the "abuse" in a more neutral way.

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