posted January 03, 2017 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Ami Anne how would you describe a gentlemen with Lilith and Zeus conjunct north node in the 12th house?

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I see Zeus as a cheater. I see Lilith as raw sexuality, so this guy may be both like a super attractive guy who is a player.
What do you think, Angel?

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posted January 03, 2017 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That is interesting, Angel. I see Zeus as a cheater. I see Lilith as raw sexuality, so this guy may be both like a super attractive guy who is a player.
What do you think, Angel?

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I agree. however it's in the 12th house I feel he may have a hard one letting go of this behavhiour since I view the 12th house as a self sacrifice the self undoing letting go reaching higher consciousness. What do you think?

If the node were to be in the 1st house this would be strong indicator that the individual must undergo these characteristics in order to evolve there personality.

But I also feel Lilith Can represent women strong women in a man's chart the woman he fears because of Adam.

So in a way I feel the individual is not just sexually attractive but may also have a hard time accepting women who are strong gaining empathy for these females since it is in the 12th house.?

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posted January 03, 2017 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Stick up his chart, big and Astro.com, if you can, so I can see the 12th House. The degrees matter a great deal, Angel and Happy New Year

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It's okay Ami no worries yes degrees matter a lot for sure.

Happy new year Ami!

You know anything about Dionysus men? And women? Have any research on it?

posted January 03, 2017 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lilith
Lilith(11811) is raw sexuality. ....

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what on earth are you talking about?!?!

Lilith was discovered in 1927 (how many years of research have been spent on lilith?!) and named after the French composer (!) Lili Boulanger.

She was a composer, not a man-eating woman- she died at the age of 24 after a wave of illnesses!

For god's sake, do your research, Ami!!!

posted January 03, 2017 02:36 PM            

What kind of an "astrologer" are you? You obviously don't give a crap about astrology.

posted January 03, 2017 04:24 PM            

That is another name for Bacchus, which is wild living like a person who goes to excess with drinking, sex etc lol

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posted January 03, 2017 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Is this the guy you are interested in, Angel?

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No im not interested in him anymore. I'm just self reflecting on my sexuality and trying to understand the past men I've attracted in my childhood and I noticed they all had sun conjunct square opposite Dionysus in there chart.

posted January 03, 2017 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yea Angel

That is another name for Bacchus, which is wild living like a person who goes to excess with drinking, sex etc lol

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Hmmmm so the person would be over indulgent?

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posted January 03, 2017 10:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Where is Dionys(sp) and how close an orb?

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1 degree orb conjunction and square to the sun.

posted January 04, 2017 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
what on earth are you talking about?!?!

Lilith was discovered in 1927 (how many years of research have been spent on lilith?!) and [b]named after the French composer (!) Lili Boulanger.

She was a composer, not a man-eating woman- she died at the age of 24 after a wave of illnesses!

For god's sake, do your research, Ami!!!

It's wrong, it's dangerous!!! [/B]

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Hmm. I wasn't aware of this - lack of research on my part also. The traits I listed for myself must be coming from somewhere else in the chart then.

I guess the only option we have is to get to grips with the 3 Liliths.

I did once see a brilliant thread on LL about them, I think it proposed that the Liliths had something to do with the triple goddess: maiden, mother, crone.

posted January 04, 2017 06:55 AM            

Link to Astrodienst article on Lilith:
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_lilith_e.htm

Quote from astrodienst article:

"Interpreting Lilith
"During my years of astrological practice, I have come to use the Dark Moon in all my chart analyses, as a complement to interpretating the Moon. It would never occur to me to neglect this influence. The Dark Moon describes our relationship to the absolute, to sacrifice as such, and shows how we let go. In transit, the Dark Moon indicates some form of castration or frustration, frequently in the areas of desire, a powerlessness of the psyche, or a general inhibition. On the other hand, it shows where we question ourselves, our lives, our jobs, and our beliefs. I feel this is important, since it gives us the opportunity to "let go" of something. The Dark Moon shows where we can let the Whole flow into our selves, without putting an "I" in the way, without putting up a wall in the form of ego. At the same time, it doesn't indicate passivity - on the contrary - it symbolizes the firm will to be open and trusting, to let the Greater World flow through one, relying entirely on the great laws of the universe, on that which we name God. To prepare us for this opening, the Dark Moon creates a necessary void."

Darkstar Astrology - Lilith article:
http://darkstarastrology.com/black-moon-lilith/

Darstar Astrology on The Differences between the 3 Liliths:
http://darkstarastrology.com/triple-moon-goddess-lilith-astrology/

Quotes from LL threads:

By Tainberry: "The lunar orbit is an ellipse and it wobbles due to various gravitational influences. This makes it very elusive to pinpoint the actual position of the Black Moon Lilith, also known as the Lunar Apogee (the place where the lunar orbit is farthest from the earth). Both the mean and the true calculations for the black moon Lilith are therefore hypothetical, and they can vary up to 30 degrees, so which one do you use? It is no good to ignore it, just because we can’t nail it down – because the fact remains that it not an imaginary point in space – it is an astrological reality.
I was reading over some old notes and came across the concept of the “Lilith Corridor” which was quite interesting as it considers the entire zone between the True and Mean Lilith to represent the “Lilith experience” in the chart. This zone opens with the True BML position which is thought to represent the most erratic and unpredictable part of the “Lilith experience” and then closes with the Mean BML where its magic ferments into something a lot more stable.

Furthermore, it was suggested that people with narrow Lilith Corridors (0-10 degrees) have a much more concentrated, intense Lilith experience than those who have wide corridors (which can be a good thing as strong Lilith people don’t always cope well with the energy). Coupled with this, an angular Lilith Corridor will make it even stronger, and any planet that falls in the Lilith Corridor will have a Lilith flavour. Planets that transit the zone will also be affected for the whole time they are in the zone.

The Lilith experience symbolizes the hidden, the unconscious, the part that people do not easily acknowledge about themselves, that which is taboo, the “shadow”, the latent occult potential in individuals (both negative and positive), psychic abilities, the deep astral levels that initiates can contact and explore consciously, rejection or rebellion against the established order ,mysticism, conflictual elements buried in the psyche and projected onto others, discovery of profound values and bringing what is hidden to the surface, initiatory soul-to-soul relationships, the deep centre where personal and impersonal experiences merge.

When expressed maturely, BML opens us to purge negative desires and leads us to the deeper truth of our hearts and the passion of our souls by learning to let go and surrender to the part of ourselves which is primal and wild and revealing of profound inner truths. When manifesting in a less mature way, BML is not owned, but the negative parts of ourselves are projected as intolerant black or white thinking, rage, jealousy, self-righteous behaviour arising from unacknowledged inner conflict, violence justified through promoting “causes”, irrational behaviour, emotional instability, intolerance for other people’s views, aggressive opinions, feral feminine behaviour, revenge, cruelty, hatred, rage, lashing out due to inferiority complexes and feelings of rejection, verbal abuse, “taking people down”, toxic emotions, bitterness, taking pride in being harsh, dark psychic/occult practices.

Anyone out there with a narrow “Lilith Corridor” or a planet in the zone of their corridor that can relate to this?
(Note : this is not about the asteroid Lilith)"

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(Source unobtainable): "Dark Moon, Black Moon or Lilith, this hypothetical point in astrology is known by several names. Some argue that the Dark Moon is one thing, Black Moon another and Lilith yet another. The reality is that there is an asteroid named Lilith, but it is not the same as the Dark or Black Moon. However, when used as a point in a birthchart, all three names appear valid as they all seem to describe the same thing.
This point arises due to the Moon's path around the ecliptic forming an axis of the perigee when the moon's orbit is closest to the earth and the apogee when its orbit is furthest from the earth. It is an empty area, a void created, an empty focus. Moving at about 40 degrees a year, the perigee is from where the path of the Dark Moon is calculated. It takes a little under nine years for it to complete its course.

In astrology, the Dark Moon is representative of the darker side of our nature, the negative side. It is the hidden depths that we know exist yet we prefer not to acknowledge. It is subtle on the surface, yet profound beneath. It is the foundations of our personality and the shocking truth that we often deny and project onto others instead. The refusal to see what is really within ourselves. The subtle refusal to see what part we may have played in some unpleasant drama of our lives, how we ourselves have manifested our fears. It is the kind of thing that we intrinsically know we have to deal with, confront the darker side in order to progress unhindered, yet most often we try to ignore. It is the deeper truth that we are forever in search of within ourselves. Probably the best use we can make of the dark moon is to explore our hidden depths, realise that we all have that darker side and go within to resolve that which ultimately hinders us.

The Dark Moon is representative of the negative traits of guilt, shame, hatred, envy, and vengefulness, often brought about by personal wounds and hurts. The true dark side of things we try to hide.

There is another side of the Dark Moon astrologically. Carl G Jung, the famous psychoanalyst described something that he called the "anima". The anima is a man's image of the ideal woman and also the feminine side of his personality. For a woman it is the image of the ideal man and the masculine side of her personality. So the dark moon in a birthchart will represent these ideals too.

It is also representative of the enchantress or the seducer, one who lures another by use of sexuality or devious means. The kind who tempts another by implying that the grass is greener on the other side, that they can "rescue" someone, but it is in reality for their own selfish gain.

The Dark Moon, Lilith, also has associations with motherhood, like her counterpart the Moon. With Lilith however, the instinctive nurturing is replaced by a strong protection of her offspring to the point that she would kill if necessary any that threatened them or caused them harm. She is also reactive against the ties involved with motherhood and the emptiness that mothers sometimes feel by isolation and the perceived lack of individuality that accompanies it.

These things do not only apply to women, they apply to men as well, as the Black Moon is also their feminine side.

Keywords: danger, darkness, deceit, destruction, devious, devouring, dreams, emptiness, enchantress, envy, fears, guilt, hatred, imagination, isolation, jealousy, magic, marriage-wrecker, mystery, night, poison, secrets, seduction, shame, the "other woman" who thinks a man needs rescuing from the "chains" of his partner, vengefulness

The manner in which the Dark Moon plays out will be of the character of the sign in which it is posited and with over tones of the ruling planet of that sign. For example, if your Dark Moon is in Aries, it will act in the manner of Aries with over tones of Mars."

Further information links from LL:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/215421.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004151.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012739.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/209959.html

posted January 04, 2017 07:02 AM            

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If you want to check out yours, go to Astro.com
(Directions from Darkstar Astrology):

"In “Additional objects“, select “Lilith”. This is Black Moon Lilith (Mean)
In the box for “additional asteroids or “hypothetical” planets” add 1181, h13, h58. This will show asteroid Lilith, Black Moon Lilith (True/Osculating) and Dark Moon Lilith in that order."

posted January 04, 2017 07:40 AM            

Dioynous sq the Sun

He may bury this wild part of himself, push it underground.

Buried things come out in various ways, but not, always, directly

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posted January 04, 2017 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hmm. I wasn't aware of this - lack of research on my part also. The traits I listed for myself must be coming from somewhere else in the chart then.

I guess the only option we have is to get to grips with the 3 Liliths.

I did once see a brilliant thread on LL about them, I think it proposed that the Liliths had something to do with the triple goddess: maiden, mother, crone.

If I find it I will post it here for information.

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i think the traits of lilith can be found without any asteroids; however, of course it might be that the focal points that are called lilith actually represent Lilith traits but not with the asteroid lilith since Lili Boulanger was a composer and as far as i know anything but a home-wrecker

also, why 3 liliths?

The asteroid lilith 11811 is named after that French composer Lili Boulanger but as far as i know - please correct me if i am wrong - there is only one other thing called lilith and that's a point and not an asteroid, let out a planet
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_lilith_e.htm

posted January 04, 2017 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lilith
Lilith(11811) is raw sexuality. I see Lilith as a rather simple (but important)sphere of life and that sphere of life is raw sexuality. I use the asteroid Lilith. I have not been able to figure out the other varieties” of Lilith, such as Black Moon Lilith. I gave up and deal with the asteroid Lilith. I suppose one could apply the information in this article to the many forms of Lilith.

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hahahaha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Boulanger

I think Lili was pretty but not a Vamp and she was also deeply religious, so i don't think she was a home-wrecker. Also, she died at the age of 24 or 25 after chronic diseases which made her probably not a ruthless man-eater. Judging from her biography i even suggest that she was still a virgin at the time she was dying.

posted January 04, 2017 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
i think the traits of lilith can be found without any asteroids; however, of course it might be that the focal points that are called lilith actually represent Lilith traits but not with the asteroid lilith since Lili Boulanger was a composer and as far as i know anything but a home-wrecker

also, why 3 liliths?

The asteroid lilith 11811 is named after that French composer Lili Boulanger but as far as i know - please correct me if i am wrong - there is only one other thing called lilith and that's a point and not an asteroid, let out a planet
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_lilith_e.htm

Seriously, i am willing to learn and if the Dark Moon Lilith and the Black Moon Lilith are 2 different things, please kindly let me know

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Hi Enneline,

on Astro.com, in Additional Objects, there is "Lilith" - this is mean/black moon Lilith and will appear with a black moon glyph in the chart when chosen.

There is also Oscillating Lilith which you will find in the hypothetical section, however, the jury is out as to whether she is truly hypothetical, or can be understood in the same way we understand the nodes of the moon.

The quotes I posted above should help explain the thinking on this, such as Lilith actually being a corridor.

So black moon Lilith at one end and Oscillating Lilith at the other, and all that falls between the two being influenced by her.

I haven't tested this myself, but it sounds plausible, and from the articles (including astro.com) some astrologers seem to be finding some sense in it.

posted January 04, 2017 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hi Enneline,

on Astro.com, in Additional Objects, there is "Lilith" - this is mean/black moon Lilith and will appear with a black moon glyph in the chart when chosen.

There is also Oscillating Lilith which you will find in the hypothetical section, however, the jury is out as to whether she is truly hypothetical, or can be understood in the same way we understand the nodes of the moon.

The quotes I posted above should help explain the thinking on this, such as Lilith actually being a corridor.

So black moon Lilith at one end and Oscillating Lilith at the other, and all that falls between the two being influenced by her.

I haven't tested this myself, but it sounds plausible, and from the articles (including astro.com) some astrologers seem to be finding some sense in it.

The 3rd Lilith is the dark moon/Waldemath (h58, I think) - supposedly Lilith's angry, vengeful shadow which reacts to rejection or subjugation.

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Thanks a lot for this info, voix de la Mer

posted January 04, 2017 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Angel

Dioynous sq the Sun

He may bury this wild part of himself, push it underground.

Buried things come out in various ways, but not, always, directly

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posted January 04, 2017 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Thanks a lot for this info, voix de la Mer

I believe there must be some truth with that glyph but i am still sceptical about the hypothetical Liliths; will do some more research on that

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posted January 05, 2017 09:43 AM            

It works for me for now, although as with most asteroids, points, and planets, I give credit to the positive/negative traits of each one with whatever knowledge or observations I have.

posted January 05, 2017 09:53 AM            

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