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JohnRoss
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posted January 11, 2011 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnRoss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Ross, are you on drugs?

No.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnRoss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel as though Lucifer is Evil.
God is Good.

Why you would be drawn to the occult in the first place? That answer is as clear to me as your posts intentions.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
msn it. I'll tell you why i feel that way.

nah, just tell me here.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Frankly, there is no God, there is no Lucifer/Satan and the asteroid can represent where we rebel against authority to our detriment, or where/how we hold opposing viewpoints (hence the "bringer of light" thing).

I'm clearly not a Christian, so sorry to all who believe in a God.


what do Christians and Gods have to do with The Infinite Creator?

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posted January 11, 2011 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The infinite creator is the same as GOD (which doesn't exist). Aren't you a Lutheran?

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posted January 11, 2011 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnRoss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BanxxManxx:
what do Christians and Gods have to do with The Infinite Creator?


Most people refer to the infinite creator as God. Some dont though so I could see why you might have misinterpreted the post.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The infinite creator is the same as GOD (which doesn't exist). Aren't you a Lutheran?

Nah. The Infinite Creator is not the same as "god". The Infinite Creator DOES exist. Creation is inherent in EVERYTHING. Creation begets Creation. We are Creators. We are in the image of The Creator.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by JohnRoss:
I feel as though Lucifer is Evil.
God is Good.

Why you would be drawn to the occult in the first place? That answer is as clear to me as your posts intentions.


I've never been drawn to the occult, lucifer is square my karma...I've actually made fun of people for that, but now I respect them for what they believe in.

Ross...the main reason I was asking because of your vehement projection. I noticed this to be common among the weed eaters I dwelled with for a while. They would smoke and forget who they were, and then think you were them.

No insult intended.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Nah. The Infinite Creator is not the same as "god". The Infinite Creator DOES exist. Creation is inherent in EVERYTHING. Creation begets Creation. We are Creators. We are in the image of The Creator.

Banks...didn't we have to destroy the rocks in the way of the miners to save them, and wasn't that a creative act?

Just asking, not trying to brusque or rude.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Occultism is the study of occult or hidden wisdom (forbidden knowledge). To the occultist it is the study of "truth", a deeper truth that exists beneath the surface: "The truth is always hidden in plain sight". It can involve such subjects as magic (alternatively spelled and defined as magick), alchemy, extra-sensory perception, astrology, spiritualism, lithomancy, and numerology."

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posted January 11, 2011 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnRoss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The Infinite Creator is not the same as "god". The Infinite Creator DOES exist."

-Ohh...Now I see.

"Creation is inherent in EVERYTHING. Creation begets Creation. We are Creators. We are in the image of The Creator."

-Yes, You are correct.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The infinite creator is the same as GOD (which doesn't exist). Aren't you a Lutheran?

Not all god fearing people are christians, and everyone is entitled to their own pov when it comes to these matters.

Me personaly, I believe in Jesus, and chirstianity. I thought about atheism, but during the crusades all the non-god fearing people cause alot of problems after they rose to political positions, at the current time the church was actually a form of government.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You and I have different definitions of what a god-fearing person is then.

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but during the crusades all the non-god fearing people cause alot of problems after they rose to political positions

Clarify that because there has never been a political leader in the western world who did not claim himself to be a believer in God.

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posted January 11, 2011 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Banks...didn't we have to destroy the rocks in the way of the miners to save them, and wasn't that a creative act?

Just asking, not trying to brusque or rude.


hahaha! WHAT!?

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posted January 11, 2011 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stawr:
I was reading about the Satanist religion out of curiousity on wiki.
The Luciefer Asteroid is # 1930. I find it ironic because Anton LeVey was born in 1930. He founded Sataninsm.
I only remenbered that because his bday is Apr 11 and mine is on the 12, AND we are both born in the Chinese year of the metal horse (exsept I'm in 1990) and month of the meatal dragon. And we are both Aries of course. So his bday has really stuck with me.

Here are some quotes from wiki...

Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control, and "eye for an eye" morality.

"Left-Hand Path" religion and philosophy, rejecting traditional "Right-Hand Path" religions such as Christianity and Wicca for their perceived denial of life and, as in Christianity, emphasis on abstinence and unnecessary guilt

Unlike Theistic Satanism, LaVeyan Satanism does not involve the literal worship of any being other than the self, but rather uses "Satan" as a symbol of carnality and earthly values, of man's inherent nature

I have the Lucifer asteroid in Gemini.


We always messed up the definition of left handed path practices when we translated it to english. By definition of what left handed path is we can say that much of vajrayana buddhism and practices of aghori ascetics would all fall under left handed path practices.

Drinking alcohol and eating meat is left handed path so you guys are all somewhat on that path to begin with. The right handed path is all about morality and devotion.. doing what you are told. Left handed path is about commiting taboos for spiritual knowledge/advancement. It's a very broad path.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Banx, if you keep beating two rocks together, all you get is gravel. If two opposing forces go against one another, you get destruction.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnRoss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I've never been drawn to the occult, lucifer is square my karma...I've actually made fun of people for that, but now I respect them for what they believe in."

-I wouldnt repect a person whose intentions are ascociated with the word Evil. I find it hard to believe someone whove I've noticed from varoius postsand consider astute and well educated would be around someone they respected who would VOLANTARILY bringup the topic of the "occult" in it's relation to Lucifer. I feel they would have to be provoked by you ifnot in a straight fowardmanner than ona subconscious level to do so. I couldbe wrong this is just what my intuition tellsme.

"Ross...the main reason I was asking because of your vehement projection. I noticed this to be common among the weed eaters I dwelled with for a while. They would smoke and forget who they were, and then think you were them.
No insult intended."

-I am you as you are me. I was offended but I am awareyou do have good reason.


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posted January 11, 2011 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnRoss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mochai:
We always messed up the definition of left handed path practices when we translated it to english. By definition of what left handed path is we can say that much of vajrayana buddhism and practices of aghori ascetics would all fall under left handed path practices.

Drinking alcohol and eating meat is left handed path so you guys are all somewhat on that path to begin with. The right handed path is all about morality and devotion.. doing what you are told. Left handed path is about commiting taboos for spiritual knowledge/advancement. It's a very broad path.



-Nice post Mochai, I agree. The blendingof both hemispheres is true Enlightenment in myopinion.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by JohnRoss:
"I've never been drawn to the occult, lucifer is square my karma...I've actually made fun of people for that, but now I respect them for what they believe in."

-I wouldnt repect a person whose intentions are ascociated with the word Evil. I find it hard to believe someone whove I've noticed from varoius postsand consider astute and well educated would be around someone they respected who would VOLANTARILY bringup the topic of the "occult" in it's relation to Lucifer. I feel they would have to be provoked by you ifnot in a straight fowardmanner than ona subconscious level to do so. I couldbe wrong this is just what my intuition tellsme.

"Ross...the main reason I was asking because of your vehement projection. I noticed this to be common among the weed eaters I dwelled with for a while. They would smoke and forget who they were, and then think you were them.
No insult intended."

-I am you as you are me. I was offended but I am awareyou do have good reason.


Ross. Totaly man. Your words are hurtful, and bitter.

My words are not, and therefore I am not you.
It's okay though. I forgive you.

And I cant be as you are either, for if I was, I'd be dead...in this city you don't say things like that, or they put your body in the river.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Banx, if you keep beating two rocks together, all you get is gravel. If two opposing forces go against one another, you get destruction.

hahaha. WHAT!? Thanks. That is fascinating.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know. I'm still hung up on what enlightenment is. There are so many different expressions that it's hard for me to say. I think each person has their own path and there are many things from both paths that just do not work for me. I still respect everyone regardless of how averse their expression may be. I feel like if I don't learn to love and accept them for who they are, I will be stuck in fear and I won't advance.

Either way, I do not want to reincarnate with someone who murdered me (which has happened). I like the easy way out, so I try to love and forgive everyone as much as I can do.

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posted January 11, 2011 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mochai:
I don't know. I'm still hung up on what enlightenment is. There are so many different expressions that it's hard for me to say. I think each person has their own path and there are many things from both paths that just do not work for me. I still respect everyone regardless of how averse their expression may be. I feel like if I don't learn to love and accept them for who they are, I will be stuck in fear and I won't advance.

Either way, I do not want to reincarnate with someone who murdered me (which has happened). I like the easy way out, so I try to love and forgive everyone as much as I can do.


Anyways, babe. Check out a clip from my new song. It sounds so freakin sexy. When I woke up this morning and listened to it again. It changed. It is like someone produced it into perfection. It is kind of spooky. TURN IT UP LOUD! HEADPHONES IS THE BEST!
http://soundcloud.com/nibirunon/here-come-the-zombees-voc1

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posted January 11, 2011 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BanxxManxx:
Anyways, babe. Check out a clip from my new song. It sounds so freakin sexy. When I woke up this morning and listened to it again. It changed. It is like someone produced it into perfection. It is kind of spooky. TURN IT UP LOUD! HEADPHONES IS THE BEST!
http://soundcloud.com/nibirunon/here-come-the-zombees-voc1

Don't zombees eat people and destroy them?

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posted January 11, 2011 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BanxxManxx:
Anyways, babe. Check out a clip from my new song. It sounds so freakin sexy. When I woke up this morning and listened to it again. It changed. It is like someone produced it into perfection. It is kind of spooky. TURN IT UP LOUD! HEADPHONES IS THE BEST!
http://soundcloud.com/nibirunon/here-come-the-zombees-voc1

Don't zombees eat people and destroy them? Isn't food destroyed when we eat it, and it gets digested and broken down into seperate nutrients, only to be reconstructed, and then destroyed agian. Am I missing something here?

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posted January 11, 2011 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, you are right. Super creepy.. very good

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