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roadwarriorsdp
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posted January 11, 2011 04:10 AM
  
warned by a very trusted person not to dabble in the occult...so i just meditated instead on what the archtype of lucifer intuited.Bascialy, lucifer was an angel who fell from the sky and was cast out of heavan. He believed he was doing good to the bitter end....lucifer said there is only one way, and that is to dance in the light. God said he created the light and the darkness, but lucifer said that the darkness was wrong, and that there was only one way... That is why when we fail to be flexible, as in not loving ourselves even when we fail, we are luciferian...in nature. Those who think they know what is best for others in terms of personal advice, may risk becoming lucifer to the toher person if there advice misfires. Lucifer is an asteroid so this has relevance. For me it's in a fixed sign in taurus in the 12th. Therefore lucifer finds expression in all walks of life, in every person, and in every organization, even the church. Lucifer pops his head up like a mole, and we must use the mallet of compassion, love, and sympathy to bop him on the head. There is nothing wrong with advice, if it is flexible, and caters to the persons pain and suffering, rather than forcefuly annialating there will. Remember again, that lucifer at first seems like a guardian, but as soon as you realize you are human, and fail to admit your failibility, lucifer will abandon you, for he is envious, and believes his way is the best. Lucifer as an archtype. Sincerely, steve the mystic wannabe. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 11, 2011 04:50 AM
Wow
I have not delved in to Lucifer, the asteroid.
I am fascinated by Nessus and Deja.I can see them at work now when a person just TELLS me about a chart.
Nessus and Deja offer up powerful insights.
Right now, to me, Nessus and Deja offer more help to a person than Pluto.
This is prolly due to the stage of my own development ,though.
Nessus can highlight your abuse. It can take it out from the inside and bring it to the outside to be grieved and ,ultimately,healed.
I KNOW that cuz I am experiencing it. I have studied about Lucifer,too.
I will share some insights from my studies, later,Road.
Talk soon.Be well!  ------------------
Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man.
You must face the dregs of Nessus to touch the love and beauty of Neptune.
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Stawr
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posted January 11, 2011 12:17 PM
I was reading about the Satanist religion out of curiousity on wiki.
The Luciefer Asteroid is # 1930. I find it ironic because Anton LeVey was born in 1930. He founded Sataninsm.
I only remenbered that because his bday is Apr 11 and mine is on the 12, AND we are both born in the Chinese year of the metal horse (exsept I'm in 1990) and month of the meatal dragon. And we are both Aries of course. So his bday has really stuck with me.Here are some quotes from wiki... Its teachings are based on individualism, self-control, and "eye for an eye" morality. "Left-Hand Path" religion and philosophy, rejecting traditional "Right-Hand Path" religions such as Christianity and Wicca for their perceived denial of life and, as in Christianity, emphasis on abstinence and unnecessary guilt Unlike Theistic Satanism, LaVeyan Satanism does not involve the literal worship of any being other than the self, but rather uses "Satan" as a symbol of carnality and earthly values, of man's inherent nature I have the Lucifer asteroid in Gemini. ------------------
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Rising: Gemini
Sun: Aries
Moon: Scorpio
Mercury: Taurus
Mars: Aqarius
Venus: Pisces
N. Node: Aqarius
S. Node: Aries
Juno: Scorpio
Eros: Pisces
True&Mean Lilith: Scorpio IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted January 11, 2011 12:58 PM
Lucifer also means "bringer of light" and was another name for Venus/the morning star. It's a name older than Christianity.IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted January 11, 2011 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Lucifer also means "bringer of light" and was another name for Venus/the morning star. It's a name older than Christianity.
Thanks for the history on it. You actually saved me some wiki time...but I'd like to confess something in a poetic form...so to speak.I witnessed the fall of Lucifer in a previous life. I used to be walking around alot and hearing the the name Lusios, or Lucius... I would be walking and out of nowhere I would say, "Lucius, what has thy done" Lucifer thought he was right. He said that man should stand in the bright. But God made the Dark, and the Light  Just remember the spanish inquisition Those who dwelled only in the light OR the ones who said, "HEY though" "We shall rule over to assert peace" But God made the world to be ruled by men But not men to rule others Any who do... Are luciferian blue. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted January 11, 2011 02:14 PM
btw thank you Stawr and Amowls,.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 11, 2011 02:18 PM
This is,purely, a Biblical explanation of Lucifer.
Not all Biblical scholars agree on some parts but I will recount the Biblical version as I have studied it.------------------
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You must face the dregs of Nessus to touch the love and beauty of Neptune.
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Ami Anne
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posted January 11, 2011 02:20 PM
Lucifer was the most beautiful being ever created.
His body had musical instruments attached to it.
He was thought to be the Angel of Music.
He was given the job of guarding the gates(I think) to the Garden of Eden.
At that point he WAS an angel called Lucifer.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 11, 2011 02:22 PM
He did not want God to receive the worship of men.
He wanted it. He rebelled against God. At that point his name became Satan.
So,Lucifer came to earth ---good.
He chose to rebel i.e. do evil.
He was NOT sent as an evil force,as some people think.
He became evil after he was already on the Earth.------------------
Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man.
You must face the dregs of Nessus to touch the love and beauty of Neptune.
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Ami Anne
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posted January 11, 2011 02:25 PM
Satan's sin was pride.
There is a long story of how man went from totally God centered to ego centered.
However,according to the Bible, man was NEVER meant to be separated from God or have an ego ,at all. All our problems, as people, started with the ego.
Adam chose to disobey God.Adam's pride was the belief that HE knew better than God, too. Hence, man fell from total Oneness with God from first Lucifer's pride and then Adam's pride.
That is the short version  ------------------
Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man.
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Glaucus
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posted January 11, 2011 02:26 PM
Maybe a positive of asteroid Lucifer is bearing light, being in the light with a neutral emphasis on not going with the status quo
in my own chart:
Lucifer in 17'58 Virgo in 1st
sextile Mercury in 18'22 Scorpio in 3rd
Geocentric South Lucifer Node in 4'09 Virgo in 12th
oppose Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th
Heliocentric Lucifer Nodes in 18'48 Aquarius/Leo
square Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
so my Mercury sextiles Lucifer and squares its heliocentric nodes In Heliocentric chart (Higher self) Lucifer in 4'48 Virgo
trine Earth in 5'20 Taurus
sextile Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio ------------------
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roadwarriorsdp
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posted January 11, 2011 02:28 PM
Amazing Ami...now I don't have to read the bible either!Thanks...this board is amazing. I'm assimilating everything. I would like to also say, it's no wonder I'ver heard the ego called teh flashlight of the mind. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 11, 2011 02:32 PM
To the question of WHY God could not have just wiped out Satan and been done with evil. God gave the Earth to man as one would give a real estate deed to the owner of a house.
Once the deed is given, the owner can do what he wants with the house. God cannot go back on any promises and so evil was unleashed on the earth.
All our problems stem from this one interaction,if you will.
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Ami Anne
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posted January 11, 2011 02:40 PM
Thank you Road
You are so sweet.
Bible Cliff notes  ------------------
Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man.
You must face the dregs of Nessus to touch the love and beauty of Neptune.
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JohnRoss
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posted January 11, 2011 02:43 PM
I gotta stop being so Luciferian and start meditating more. I feel like Im the greatest rapper of all time. Your right it's most definitely my ego as the girl I loved made fun of my dick and ****** my bestfriend of 10 years and I think my cousin. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted January 11, 2011 02:59 PM
I am no Christian nor a believer in the Bible.From what I read in the Bible, I think God had an evil side and Satan could have learned evil from God. Often times, God was without mercy, thinking it was ok to kill whole cities for a lot of people's crimes. That included all children.
God didn't believe in second chances including for children. God even admitted that he was a jealous god too. This was mainly in the old Testament.
In other mythologies, deities had a cruel side to them.
Maybe God/Jehovah/Yahweh is actually one of those Annunakis from the planet, Nibiru.
It's possible ------------------
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roadwarriorsdp
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posted January 11, 2011 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by JohnRoss:
I gotta stop being so Luciferian and start meditating more. I feel like Im the greatest rapper of all time. Your right it's most definitely my ego as the girl I loved made fun of my dick and ****** my bestfriend of 10 years and I think my cousin.
Ross, are you on drugs? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 11, 2011 03:09 PM
I don't debate the Bible.I ,only,give the Biblical Viewpoint for anyone's interest ------------------
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Glaucus
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posted January 11, 2011 03:13 PM
I am open to listening to any viewpoints.It's great that we live in times where we won't get killed for expressing our viewpoints.
well....except for some countries like Iran and Saudia Arabia
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BanxxManxx
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posted January 11, 2011 03:49 PM
I also hear that lucifart goes around imitating Christ because he has no creative "bone" in his body. Huh, How ironic is that? He is not creative because he is not part of the Creator. He is a destroyer. He tries desperately to go around and get people on his side simply by trying to be like Christ. How lame is that? If that is true, I feel kind of bad for the little guy.IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted January 11, 2011 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by BanxxManxx:
I also hear that lucifart goes around imitating Christ because he has no creative "bone" in his body. Huh, How ironic is that? He is not creative because he is not part of the Creator. He is a destroyer. He tries desperately to go around and get people on his side simply by trying to be like Christ. How lame is that? If that is true, I feel kind of bad for the little guy.
Banx. Your post constitutes a destructive act. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted January 11, 2011 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Glaucus:
I am open to listening to any viewpoints.It's great that we live in times where we won't get killed for expressing our viewpoints.
well....except for some countries like Iran and Saudia Arabia
Glaucus as always, your humanism is refreshing. As well as your precision and good timing. IP: Logged |
BanxxManxx
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posted January 11, 2011 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Banx. Your post constitutes a destructive act.
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roadwarriorsdp
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posted January 11, 2011 04:24 PM
msn it. I'll tell you why i feel that way.IP: Logged |
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posted January 11, 2011 04:27 PM
Frankly, there is no God, there is no Lucifer/Satan and the asteroid can represent where we rebel against authority to our detriment, or where/how we hold opposing viewpoints (hence the "bringer of light" thing).I'm clearly not a Christian, so sorry to all who believe in a God. IP: Logged |
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