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posted April 26, 2016 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lightbones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sunflower-moon:
In the context of our current desensitized culture, I feel like her songs (well, the 3 or 4 I read the lyrics to) fit perfectly with her chart. She has Venus conjunct Pluto conjunct her ASC, Moon conjunct Uranus in Scorpio, and her Mars is in Leo. Her husband, apparently, cheated and she obviously seems to be very hurt and I'm sure her ego took a major hit since they are such a public couple, and because they pretty much portrayed themselves as perfect.

It's a bit judgmental and presumptuous to assume someone might be a satanist because of their art. Sure, I'm not particularly fond of how a lot of people express themselves but it's how they choose to do so, nonetheless. Unless she's actually out skinning some woman then I don't think it's fair to analyze the lyric THAT deeply, especially considering the fact that this is the woman who cheated with her husband. If it were some random woman then, yeah, that would be concerning. Obviously we're all free to our opinions but, I don't know, saying someone might be a satanist is just a bit much. That's not a light comment to make.


My thoughts exactly! Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

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posted April 26, 2016 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sunflower-moon:
In the context of our current desensitized culture, I feel like her songs (well, the 3 or 4 I read the lyrics to) fit perfectly with her chart. She has Venus conjunct Pluto conjunct her ASC, Moon conjunct Uranus in Scorpio, and her Mars is in Leo. Her husband, apparently, cheated and she obviously seems to be very hurt and I'm sure her ego took a major hit since they are such a public couple, and because they pretty much portrayed themselves as perfect.

It's a bit judgmental and presumptuous to assume someone might be a satanist because of their art. Sure, I'm not particularly fond of how a lot of people express themselves but it's how they choose to do so, nonetheless. Unless she's actually out skinning some woman then I don't think it's fair to analyze the lyric THAT deeply, especially considering the fact that this is the woman who cheated with her husband. If it were some random woman then, yeah, that would be concerning. Obviously we're all free to our opinions but, I don't know, saying someone might be a satanist is just a bit much. That's not a light comment to make.



Its a popular belif online,one that i understand why would be formed looking at her way of expressing herself - i was not claiming she was Satanist i asked opinions based on thedir charts could that even be a posibility - i said i feel negative enrgies from them and that it would not surprise me,i said that i feel like sence she Strted being with Jay that she became darker,i did not say if that is because he is simply treating her badly or if she is Satanist - the question was made not a statement. I only stated that she TO ME looks empty,and negative. There is absolutly no ill intention behind it. I dont know why some of you react like this is your first time hearing this about them,its all over the internet,even backed up by smbolism and what not. I did not make that up.

And yes,through art you express yourself - your view,opinions,even belifs. That is Art.

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posted April 26, 2016 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lightbones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hemilla:

Its a popular belif online,one that i understand why would be formed looking at her way of expressing herself - i was not claiming she was Satanist i asked opinions based on thedir charts could that even be a posibility - i said i feel negative enrgies from them and that it would not surprise me,i said that i feel like sence she Strted being with Jay that she became darker,i did not say if that is because he is simply treating her badly or if she is Satanist - the question was made not a statement. I only stated that she TO ME looks empty,and negative. There is absolutly no ill intention behind it. I dont know why some of you react like this is your first time hearing this about them,its all over the internet,even backed up by smbolism and what not. I did not make that up.

Lol, okay, well I don't really know much about either of them and have never heard about these accusations/presumptions, or whatever you want to call them, before. I get what you're saying, though.

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posted April 26, 2016 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I cant verify that she is lying..
but its almost Easter where you come from..
Let's all calm down , no reason for accusations and fights for Beyonce for christ's sake!

Let's return to the astrology part, hehe
One observation that I made is that in astrotheme's compatibility chart, there is a different Asc (Leo) for Beyonce than in her natal chart in the same site (Libra), which I found confusing.
Anyway, do you have any suggestion how we could assume for anyone that is a satanist from their chart? I really have no clue, is that even possible?


I am telling you that SHE IS LYING .
I dont know what Easter has to do with this but i agree that there is no reason for fighting on this thread - even though some liers dont get that.

I dont remember what they told me it was few years ago and i was not a member here,maybe if i was i would have asked for opinions on those aspects they mentioned then - but they claimed it might be true for him,because they saw something '' negative'' in his chart ,not really sure what they said about her to be honest ,except that maybe she is kinda sub to him

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posted April 26, 2016 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Hemilla

Easter has to do, like Christmas I guess, with spreading the spirit of love and forgiveness all over the world, just like Christ did?

Coming back to comment the synastry, at least for the hypothesis that Beyonce is submissive to Jay Z, which I think is the only thing we can discuss about astrology-wise safely imo

This is the synastry that comes out in astrotheme if you try it with celestar - affinity, with the correct (?) Asc for Beyonce.
http://www.astrotheme.com/celestar/

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posted April 26, 2016 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her being moderetar does not give her the right to lie - she lied and i wont delete it. it is extremly rude and she is harming this forum by accusing people falsly just like that - i am member in few more forums and never did moderator behave like this,i am unpleasantly surprised ,i expected more from a forum like this .

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posted April 26, 2016 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't assume or predict that anything would happen if you dont, dont put any words in my mouth!
I said that in a good way..I am not in many forums, so I really don't know..

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posted April 26, 2016 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I didn't assume or predict that anything would happen if you dont, dont put any words in my mouth!
I said that in a good way..I am not in many forums, so I really don't know..

LOL wut? Where did i say you said anything - what sign is the moon in today because it seems people keep seeing things that dont exist

I said i wont delete it because there is no reason for me to do so - i also reported her for such behaviour and thats that on that topic . We can continue about Beyonce and Jay Z now xD

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posted April 26, 2016 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hemilla:
Her being moderetar does not give her the right to lie - she lied and i wont delete it. it is extremly rude and she is harming this forum by accusing people falsly just like that - i am member in few more forums and never did moderator behave like this,i am unpleasantly surprised ,i expected more from a forum like this .

I can't really follow the particular details BUT if someone harasses you, the BEST thing to do is to ignore.

I have been a Mod for 6 years. I have learned so many life skills, thanks to Randall and Lalalinda as mentors

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posted April 26, 2016 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"what sign is the moon in today because it seems people keep seeing things that dont exist"
hahahahahahaha
That was a good one!
Ok, maybe I misunderstood

Yes, we can continue with their charts, but I am still trying to study their synastry, all of their planets are clustered in one side of the chart and I get confused in astrotheme, lol

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posted April 26, 2016 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I can't really follow the particular details BUT if someone harasses you, the BEST thing to do is to ignore.

I have been a Mod for 6 years. I have learned so many life skills, thanks to Randall and Lalalinda as mentors

Bottom line, the gain is that no one( or not too often) do your buttons get pushed and YOU are the winner.

They hate that, so do it more


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Thank you ,you are sweet <3
I am not sure how can i write to you if i ever decide to go deeper and not spamm topics ,are here private messages on this forum i cant figure it out yet ?

Being a member of few forums i have learned how to prove my point even though various personality types like to push you around ,but i guess best for the thread is to shut the corvesation down. In this case false accusation i couldnt get over.

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posted April 26, 2016 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
"what sign is the moon in today because it seems people keep seeing things that dont exist"
hahahahahahaha
That was a good one!
Ok, maybe I misunderstood

Yes, we can continue with their charts, but I am still trying to study their synastry, all of their planets are clustered in one side of the chart and I get confused in astrotheme, lol



Would this hellp ? http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Beyonc%C3%A9 http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Jay_Z

I think Jay Z has his saturn on her MC wich is interesting taken he took her ''under his wing'' at the begining if i am not wrong- is he her buisniss lesson ?

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posted April 26, 2016 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hemilla:

Would this hellp ? http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Beyonc%C3%A9


Oh, thanks, yeah, possibly, if I figure out their synastry as well there!!!
Ok, I'll go study it and return here a bit later again!
Thanks!


ETA : "I think Jay Z has his saturn on her MC wich is interesting taken he took her ''under his wing'' at the begining if i am not wrong- is he her buisniss lesson ?"
Yes, I saw that, but if the Asc is wrong, then Saturn isn't on her MC
Here, look again, this is their synastry http://www.astrotheme.com/celestar/
And astro confirms it, she is a Libra Asc.
So then, Saturn is not on her MC, but her MC is forming a "yod" with his Mars as one leg, her Neptune and his mercury as the other leg. "Yod" in quotation marks, as angles as part of a yod are questionable, at least from what I know..

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posted April 26, 2016 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, they're just entertainers, always trying to up the ante, so to speak.

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posted April 26, 2016 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astrochologist:
I study symbols and numerology heavily. I think there's no question about it.

Evidence?

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posted April 26, 2016 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh, thanks, yeah, possibly, if I figure out their synastry as well there!!!
Ok, I'll go study it and return here a bit later again!
Thanks!


ETA : "I think Jay Z has his saturn on her MC wich is interesting taken he took her ''under his wing'' at the begining if i am not wrong- is he her buisniss lesson ?"
Yes, I saw that, but if the Asc is wrong, then Saturn isn't on her MC
Here, look again, this is their synastry http://www.astrotheme.com/celestar/
And astro confirms it, she is a Libra Asc.
So then, Saturn is not on her MC, but her MC is forming a "yod" with his Mars as one leg, her Neptune and his mercury as the other leg. "Yod" in quotation marks, as angles as part of a yod are questionable, at least from what I know..


Ah yes,i went to look it up and his Saturn is not on her MC

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posted April 26, 2016 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ah yes,i went to look it up and his Saturn is not on her MC

He puts a bunch of planets in her 12th house, though, Pluto, Moon, Uranus..
and Saturn is squaring her Node.

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posted April 26, 2016 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Based on my experiences with Pluto and Scorpio. (She's Scorpio moon). They (we) can say some pretty twisted things and not think much of it OR truly mean it.
Every one of them that I've known and myself say twisted things sometimes. Me, my spouse, family members, friends.

As far as symbols (I've only read a few posts into this thread). Many people DON'T study astrology or symbolism and have no idea what the symbols mean. They just like them.

Regardless if I'm a bit off or not I think it's being looked into too deeply.

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posted April 26, 2016 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that some people dont,but industry is some serious buisness where everything is tought true and controlled,atleast for big stars - maybe they are served with it and are not part of the "creative process" - that can be true,but we dont know

I wouldnt be surpriesed if some of them do try to use magic (if i am not wrong Jennifer Lopez was rumored back in the days of doing Santeria) it really wouldnt surprise me, i have heard of people in real life,basic people trying to use magic to make their lifes better,get rid of entities following them,make someone love them,and yes,even harm someone ,curse them - sadly people do that too :/ but as Rumpelstinskin says it in "Once Upon A Time"

"All magic comes with a price" - and people better not mess with it

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posted April 26, 2016 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 26, 2016 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"All magic comes with a price" - and people better not mess with it

Totally agree and it's common around here, too..

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posted April 26, 2016 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This place can be a tough place, H. Everyone needs a friend. I sure do

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posted April 26, 2016 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This place can be a tough place, H. Everyone needs a friend. I sure do


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