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Hemilla
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posted April 26, 2016 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
call me crazy all you want,but those two radite such negative energy all the time! Looking at their eyes,they just seem so empty.

I liked Beyonce at the start of her career,she was smiling,singing interesting songs,her life and persona were so colorefull and light - but after she got involved with Jay Z - darn she became... such a negative person,even when she speaks of God (rarely - compared to her in begining) she just dosent sound sencere,or maybe she is refering to some other diety she calls god?

Just look at her latest video or whatever it is "Lemonade" - i couldnt bare watching it for mor than few seconds,maybe i am just that sensible to feel when something is negative (moon in pisces in 8th) or something else,but both video and song made me feel so uncomfortable (i mean,she sings of scalping her husdbands mistress and wearing her skin - wtf? ) :x Honestly she creeped the hell out of me


So what do you think guys? I will post both of their natal charts - some of the girls that i know and who are good chart readers did mention in the past that something is negative in Jay Zs chart and that he is influencing her much


Beyonce - http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Beyoncé_Knowles
Jay Z - http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Jay-Z

Their synastry - http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astrological_compatibility_Beyonce_Jay_Z.php

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Astrochologist
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posted April 26, 2016 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astrochologist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I study symbols and numerology heavily. I think there's no question about it.

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Hemilla
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posted April 26, 2016 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So you think they are or that they are not?

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ail221
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posted April 26, 2016 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So you're pushing your religious standards on someone else?
She's angry in that song, imagine building your life around someone and they betray you. There were other messages in the song album about love, forgiveness, womanhood and redemption.

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Lilithsquared
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posted April 26, 2016 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lilithsquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is this a joke post. Lemonade is full of her Christianity/ god whatever worship

(atheist here so a little is too much for me so i may be biased)

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Hemilla
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posted April 26, 2016 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
K girls,calm yall ******* - i am not here to fan girl around her or her song

Throwing Biblele on floor (first of all why is Bible even used as a prop for a video - its a holiest book and if she really was Christian she would not have thrown it ) and speaking of God while you twerk in circle of fier and later sing of how youd like to scalp someone - give me a break

I watched and listened to it - and it is veeeeery negative to me.

And how am i " pushing my religious standards on
someone else? " I am Christian,according to her she is to - i am just asking if she changed religions,because it seems so

Good Lord....

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Desiring Shadows
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posted April 26, 2016 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard that Jay Z was in the illuminati..

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posted April 26, 2016 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astrochologist:
I study symbols and numerology heavily. I think there's no question about it.

I agree.

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ail221
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posted April 26, 2016 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apparently you need to calm down if you are worked up about a video you didn't have to watch and judge someone for not following the standards of what you believe a Christian woman does or not.

A lot of the imagery used was influenced by her Creole and Black heritage. There are many religious references from Oshun of Yoruba, Christianity, Kali etc. Various notes of her emotional spiritual journey. If it's negative to you cool don't watch it no more.

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Hemilla
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posted April 26, 2016 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Apparently you need to calm down if you are worked up about a video you didn't have to watch and judge someone for not following the standards of what you believe a Christian woman does or not.

A lot of the imagery used was influenced by her Creole and Black heritage. There are many religious references from Oshun of Yoruba, Christianity, Kali etc. Various notes of her emotional spiritual journey. If it's negative to you cool don't watch it no more.



No,apparently you are worked up by the fact someone dares to think with their own head instead to follow the masses, to say something bad of this woman and her work . Didnt know Bible tossing is part of Creole culture - good to know.

And yes - Good Christian woman would not play with bible and speak of murder. No matter how disaponted she is in her husdband,that is just MORBID. Thats a canon for Christians - there are no simple variations of it.

And i will watch what i wish and i will share my opinion on what i saw and i will ask random people on forums for their opinions (forums kinda work that way,you know? ). You are apparently a person that thinks world revolves around your image of how world should function - and therfore listen to yourself - dont comment in this thread anymore sence it bothers you so much,k?

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posted April 26, 2016 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for intervening ail221, but I fail to see how the OP pushes her religious standards on someone else..The title of her thread has a question mark after all and there is freedom of speech, I don't think she tries to convince everyone here about something. I havent watched the video to have an educated opinion about this, but on the other hand, who knows with celebrities? Can anyone know with absolute certainty details of their private life?
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Hemilla
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posted April 26, 2016 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mar1982delta yes, And i posted their charts so we would get a view to their lifes,but some peoole cant stand when the morality of their idols is questioned i guess

iwas not claiming anything except that they seem negative to me - i can not know if they worship devil,Thor,Garfild the cat or what - from what i see from them and what i feel i would not be surprised if they were Satanists - but cant swear with my life on it,i just doubt

I know how other world CAN be conntacted with magic - one of the strongest magics - Arab one - is kinda reality in the part of the world i come from along with other kinds,so i can not dismiss anything,i have heard interesting stories about women who swore in their pureness to end up handeling some weird magic stuff

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posted April 26, 2016 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mar1982
Her original post was edited, with a bold statement about whether someone is a satanist I made a assumption.This is as someone who isn't a Beyonce fan. I think her concluding statements about what a good christian woman or what is moralistically right in regards to religious or whatever pretty much confirms my assumptions. Viewing this as a artist there are too many pieces to disconstruct as a piece of work and make assumptions about the spiritually of someone I don't know.

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Hemilla
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posted April 26, 2016 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Mar1982
Her original post was edited, with a bold statement about whether someone is a satanist I made a assumption.This is as someone who isn't a Beyonce fan. I think her concluding statements about what a good christian woman or what is moralistically right in regards to religious or whatever pretty much confirms my assumptions. Viewing this as a artist there are too many pieces to disconstruct as a piece of work and make assumptions about the spiritually of someone I don't know.

Your natal chart must be full of aspects pointing out to -liar- i have not edited my original post,it is up there . If you as moderator have the power to mess with it i dont know,i sure did not change A SINGLE WORD . Be ashamed for being such a liar! How dare you - grose.

No,i am not her fan,i am not fan of any celebrity,they are humans just like me and i dont see the reason to droll over them - that you got right.

What a good Christian woman is you can find in Bible i did not make it up ,nor can anyone .

I am an artist myself,so you cant explain that your opinion on matter is more valid just because of that - that does not matter.

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Orange
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posted April 26, 2016 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope everyone here can express their opinions without being bashed for it

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posted April 26, 2016 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All celebrities are part of the illuminati one way or another and they give their soul away. Figure that out

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Hemilla
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posted April 26, 2016 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but can such involvement be seen in their charts?

Beyonces 12th hose is kinda full

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This is the last site i would expect people to talk about the Illuminati lol

Those two are apart of a multi-billion dollar industry. It has nothing to do with the "illuminati", its about the money. Thats why they seem so empty. Being apart of an industry like that is very difficult and its very taxing.

As for the "symbols" people mention. Most don't even know the origins of those symbols..They just go off of what they see on Youtube.

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posted April 26, 2016 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be refreshing if they actually WERE Satanists!! I might actually put tv on and have a look-see for them..

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posted April 26, 2016 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Mar1982
Her original post was edited, with a bold statement about whether someone is a satanist I made a assumption.This is as someone who isn't a Beyonce fan. I think her concluding statements about what a good christian woman or what is moralistically right in regards to religious or whatever pretty much confirms my assumptions. Viewing this as a artist there are too many pieces to disconstruct as a piece of work and make assumptions about the spiritually of someone I don't know.


I dont know about her original statement before the edit, so I can't speak for it. What I was trying to say is that personally I can't verify neither exclude the possibility of them (or anyone, if we are blunt) being satanists or whatever. You are right about the part that this is a piece of art, at least a part of the art industry as it is considered nowadays. This doesn't exclude the liberty of anyone to judge this piece of art, artistically or in whatever way they think, at least imo. Freedom of (art) expression vs. freedom of speech, this is a major "clash" of liberties in law, haha
In order to clear any possible misunderstanding, it was never my intention to begin a "fight" with you or hemilla, I just wrote my opinion on whether the statement she made is an attempt to push her religion to anyone..
No grudges here..

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Hemilla
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posted April 26, 2016 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
This is the last site i would expect people to talk about the Illuminati lol

Those two are apart of a multi-billion dollar industry. It has nothing to do with the "illuminati", its about the money. Thats why they seem so empty. Being apart of an industry like that is very difficult and its very taxing.

As for the "symbols" people mention. Most don't even know the origins of those symbols..They just go off of what they see on Youtube.


Lol ,why,it makes more sense to speak of it here if you ask me, who would not like here to see if conraversy is true by just looking at a persons chart?

About the rest i am not so sure,but thats your opinion and i respect it

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Hemilla
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posted April 26, 2016 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was no edit,for some strange reason she is lying - i guess desperate to prove some point wich i do not see in the first place. But whatever .

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posted April 26, 2016 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunflower-moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the context of our current desensitized culture, I feel like her songs (well, the 3 or 4 I read the lyrics to) fit perfectly with her chart. She has Venus conjunct Pluto conjunct her ASC, Moon conjunct Uranus in Scorpio, and her Mars is in Leo. Her husband, apparently, cheated and she obviously seems to be very hurt and I'm sure her ego took a major hit since they are such a public couple, and because they pretty much portrayed themselves as perfect.

It's a bit judgmental and presumptuous to assume someone might be a satanist because of their art. Sure, I'm not particularly fond of how a lot of people express themselves but it's how they choose to do so, nonetheless. Unless she's actually out skinning some woman then I don't think it's fair to analyze the lyric THAT deeply, especially considering the fact that this is the woman who cheated with her husband. If it were some random woman then, yeah, that would be concerning. Obviously we're all free to our opinions but, I don't know, saying someone might be a satanist is just a bit much. That's not a light comment to make.

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posted April 26, 2016 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoPILL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
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posted April 26, 2016 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Hemilla

I cant verify that she is lying..
but its almost Easter where you come from..
Let's all calm down , no reason for accusations and fights for Beyonce for christ's sake!

Let's return to the astrology part, hehe
One observation that I made is that in astrotheme's compatibility chart, there is a different Asc (Leo) for Beyonce than in her natal chart in the same site (Libra), which I found confusing.
Anyway, do you have any suggestion how we could assume for anyone that is a satanist from their chart? I really have no clue, is that even possible?

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