posted April 27, 2016 09:04 PM            

I have no relationship at all with Faith.

I ignore when she argues with me. If you want to call that a relationship, that is it lol

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posted April 27, 2016 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
I didn't know you and Ami Anne have been arguing for a long time. Or maybe you mean specifically to this post. What I realize now is that I never made it clear that I am agreeing with what you said. That's all.

And I meant of course not, don't even feel like you have to apologize or be sorry for saying whatever you want to say. I'm not mediating anything here.

Edit:I responded to yours and Orange's and Doux's post from interpersonal.

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Thank you.

Ami and I have been fighting for years.

I saw your comment @ IA, point taken, I will try and cool it down a bit.

posted April 27, 2016 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I ignore when she argues with me. If you want to call that a relationship, that is it lol

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Yup, I always start with you, you are merely the innocent victim.

Gotta hand it to you.

You are the most passive-aggressive person I've ever encountered. A true master.

posted April 27, 2016 09:32 PM            

Jay-Z does come off to me as domineering, and his chart also reflects that. Given where he was born and raised, he probably feels a lot of pressure to keep all he has gained, and may have the common affliction that he must always outdo himself or he's "over and done with" (as opposed to enjoying the fruits of what one has gained and enjoying life rather than becoming a slave to the game he already won--but lost in not being able to stop). He's in a field and mixing with people who are in a high stress environment as well.

I'm sure he's used his domineering personality on Beyonce, or at least tried to, but Beyonce probably wouldn't put up with that...it would take some serious (and felonious) brainwashing to break her, I think. But being around even the attempt, and all the high profile people while under seeming constant scrutiny would add to her stress, so I can see her being worn down by that and losing her youthful optimism, and perhaps disillusionment with God, or at least religion. And then throw in some cheating by her husband...

But Satanism? Seems extremely unlikely to me, especially the kind you seem to be thinking of. That's more for losers in our system, typically kids, though I'm sure some Hellfire Clubs exist (under that and other names), but more as a naughty kink than religious (but I could see it then being used by members to intimidate some of the more superstitious into silence, or even compliance to some perverted demands). If anything, people like Jay Z like to be thought of as chosen of God (this belief can make them cruel and arrogant rather than spiritual, btw), or as self-made who pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps with the attitude that they're not going to thank anyone for it but themselves (which could conceivably make him receptive to the more atheistic kind of Satanism that is purely symbolic, where Satan represents one's own ego and animal self, though I've never known of anyone drawn to that who wasn't white, and typically raised in an middle to upper class background, which doesn't apply to Jay Z, but I think they're a different kind of "Satanist" than you're thinking of, even if he were to somehow become involved with them).

Personally, I'd consider the Satanism a trivial detail and wouldn't bother with it. I'm more concerned with what they do rather than in whose name they do it in, and you can find plenty of bitter, negative people thumping a Bible, probably far more than you will see of one desecrating it (and when done artistically, I'm not even sure it counts). I do have an academic interest in weird cults of all kinds, but I'm curious about many things, and symbols (and how they're used) are especially interesting to me.

I've also come across such BS on who is a satanist and what a satanist is (as if they'd really know) that I can't help but be skeptical when I hear anything about it. It goes to the story of the boy who cried wolf, though in this case the "boy" represents various people in society. Wolves actually exist, but when the boy cries "wolf" too fast then people stop believing him, even when there really is a wolf. That's about how I am when I hear yet another claim of Satanism, I think it's more BS, though I'm aware that it's possible that this might be the exception in when it's not. But again, it seems a trivial detail anyway, the packaging (be it Satanism, Voodoo, Christianity, whatever) of a personality and deeds that could easily be given a package of any other religion or path, which would neither make it better or worse (who really cares if a serial killer or mass murderer devotes his kills to Satan or God?), and therefore mostly irrelevant.

posted April 28, 2016 02:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yup, I always start with you, you are merely the innocent victim.

Gotta hand it to you.

You are the most passive-aggressive person I've ever encountered. A true master.

Really you make it an art form.

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Good to know I'm not the only one she has pulled this with.

posted April 28, 2016 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Off topic:

Sorry I ever bothered you, todd.

I didn't mean for my words to affect you as they did. I shouldn't have been SO blunt...I thought the conversation would continue and you would see more of why I said that. I know a lot about natural health and had more to say. But after you called me a troll, I figured, no use trying to salvage any peace.

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yes you right I don't really know what you mean, but I mean I thought your seemingly critical statement was very cool. It just showed a defiance but I a good defiance. I am absolutely at ease with you. I know I can rub people wrong so I don't hold a grudge.

I was a bit touchy because the thing I posted were real and I have been close to death a couple of times because of mrsa and my delving into this topic.

todd

posted May 23, 2016 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
This thread is whack.

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posted May 27, 2016 02:05 AM            

All celebrities have disguise slips like this, they tend to look down or look away suddenly when it happens

posted May 28, 2016 09:05 PM            

I personally couldn't care if they were satanists or not. Their life is not involved with mine, and I don't listen to Beyonce's music anyway. I'd rather listen to some good Au5; he's a musician that knows his craft

posted July 04, 2016 07:19 PM            

The original point of the thread was to analyse the natal charts for possible inclinations to satanism, but the discussion got derailed.

Why is it important if they are satanists or not ?
Well, because they influence millions of people some of which are unsuspecting spectators.
Words carry messages and images convey symbols - in all forms of art - and music adds another factor, it anchors emotions.
Informing people about the symbolism served to us is important and helpful. I think this is essentially what the author of the thread meant.

People who left music industry have talked about weird stuff going on, and one particular sentence stood out in my mind:

"You cannot put a spell on a christian, but you can make a christian put a spell on himself".

Such is the power of lyrics... that is, words.

Food for thought.

posted July 05, 2016 06:46 PM            

That said, they're all relatively rare. Ironically, many theistic Satanists get their info from books gained from fundamentalist Christian bookstores, that is Christians lie, and some malcontents seek to turn that lie into the truth (typically the teens afflicted by fundie parents, such as one I knew who was ritually abused by his Pentecostal mother and church in exorcisms along with his little sister until the kids finally said "fine, I'll consort with demons" and learned all they could about it from the Christian books describing Satanism and tried to imitate it).

posted July 05, 2016 07:01 PM            

I found a passage in which an entire church had to fast and pray for days on end to stop the spell of ONE WITCH, and I asked the store owner how it was that if God was so much more powerful, that it took so many more, all of whom had to put out more effort, to counter the power of one witch calling on Satan.

A woman with me (the one who brought me there as she had to speak with the store owner over a homeschooling project for the kids, which many fundie Christians were involved in at the time) who passed as Christian for times like these (and she used to be a nun for real, and also attended a seminary school) heard this, and as the store owner agreed that such was so, the former nun said, "Blasphemy!"

The woman who brought me said back when she was a nun, that's exactly what her reaction would've been.

She also said she knew the books there were rather sketchy, but she was surprised with the stuff I was digging up so fast. I recall focusing on one because it was about the "vampires of the Greek Orthodox" and I'd recently been to an Eastern Orthodox Pascha/Easter celebration, so I was finding the lies told about the Eastern Orthodox morbidly fascinating. Having heard similar lies and paranoid delusions in Texas, I was fascinated by how and why they lied so much anyway, something I was still trying to figure out. From there I found another book by the same author who also claimed to have escaped "Wicca, Satan's White Lie." I believe it was that one (maybe it was one I picked up after that) that had the one about an entire church having to fast and pray to stop one witch. (I also asked if the author "escaped anymore religions, because I'll get it if it's a trilogy." )

posted November 15, 2016 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
There are many kinds of Satanism. The best known are the atheistic kind who use it symbolically because they're not criminals (and want people to send them money, and I suspect love to shock and troll), but the more theistic kinds also exist. Just like any other religion, there are many variants here as well, some who think Satan is the good guy fighting against the tyrannical Jehovah, and they typically don't advertise due to the persecution they'd receive. And others still see Satan as a power of this world, one that is predatory and evil, and seek to channel that, and given the normally criminal lifestyle, they're even deeper underground. I've also met one myself who sees Satan as the Old Testament does, as the prosecutor of God, and he revered both Jesus and Satan as different aspects (the right and left hand) of God.

That said, they're all relatively rare. Ironically, many theistic Satanists get their info from books gained from fundamentalist Christian bookstores, that is Christians lie, and some malcontents seek to turn that lie into the truth (typically the teens afflicted by fundie parents, such as one I knew who was ritually abused by his Pentecostal mother and church in exorcisms along with his little sister until the kids finally said "fine, I'll consort with demons" and learned all they could about it from the Christian books describing Satanism and tried to imitate it).

I personally don't believe that Hollywood is controlled by Satanic cults (though it's a pretty toxic area in other ways), nor wide ranging conspiracies as were talked about during the absurd Satanic Panics, not even when counting Thelemites, Setites, Petro Voodoo, and groups like that, and not even counting those who like to spice up their vices with "theme parties" featuring Satanic themes and images. Generally speaking, people who turn to Satanism are either bored looking for a thrill (and these generally aren't dangerous), or they feel powerless (which can drive them to many religions), something many of the wealthy and powerful don't feel.

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your reminiscing about fubdelmental encounters involving texas gave me th rimpulse to include a acedote of my own.not quite on topic but..

some yearts ago maybe late 90's I was iliving in texas ans I had a fream obne night, one of the mosr scary ever. a "ufo" was chasinfg me around and I woke up in utter terror.quite confusing as I never had such a dream before.nextday the bignews is a cult committed mass suicide the evening before.the were called heavens gate and beoived that a near by comet was providing disguise to a space ship that was goi8ng tp take them to other dimensions, but only their souls so they had to commit suicide when the comet was closest to the earth and they did .

so the dream started to make sense in content but why I would take the scenario so personally was not clear until I found out that the cult,heaven's gate, had had a astrology bookstore in amarillo where is was living with my family. the cult had been in ammarllo a few years before I arrived but my spouses mother was part of a fundamentalist church that picked the cults bookstore and finally drove the cult to California where they did their deeds.

as to beyonce et.al.
the entire elite establishment in whatever area indulges in worship of Saturn and use black magic. Science is a false god used to blind us to the fact that our "civilization" is subject to the same magic that has evolved over many past 1000's of years and has always been used to control the populous.
so beyonce... no surprise...jolie... no surprise on and on.

posted November 19, 2016 04:29 PM            

Jay-Z and Beyonce are Members of Aleister Crowley’s Satanic Cult OTO

Whether wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with ‘Do what thou wilt’ or hiring Rihanna to hold aloft a flaming torch in his music videos (a reference to the Illuminati, an outlawed secret society whose name supposedly derives from Lucifer, or ‘light bringer’), he has given the sect priceless publicity.

Aleister Crowley, who was born into an upper-class British family in 1875, styled himself as ‘the Great Beast 666’. He was an unabashed occultist who, prior to his death in 1947, reveled in his infamy as ‘the wickedest man in the world’.