posted October 14, 2008 08:28 PM         

He says not to supress sex otherwise we will end up like Gandhi, who used to experiment if he was still tempted by flesh, by touching women, upto his old age. He advises us to do whatever we do with totality and not with lukewarm attitude.

BTW Osho was a jain who never ate meat , but he did not advice anyone not to eat it. The post talks about it. In different tape he says alcohol will be allowed in his ashram but not meat. This is something I am getting to learn of him. We have to look at what his worldview is by listening to as many tapes as possible of him. Most of his response was to the person who posed the question. Therefore most likely applicable to that person alone. At times he did keep others in mind. I can understand that because everyone has evolved differently over so many millions of life. I may have been an elephant eating grass and mud , in some distant life but not necessarily you were one too Hehehe....Buddha is quoted to have said that he remembered he was an elephant in one of his past life.

Osho was of the opinion that tantra will grow in the west someday because sex is not a taboo there. But I am yet to see someone who is really uninhibited and intelligent. People are guilty, fearful of death, always worried about future and too much identified with whereever they stand right now.

One hindu yogi said that when we eat meat we also eat the suffering of that animal. I don't think that fish suffers much so I eat it. Same with chicken, I think they are respectfully killed (gased) as opposed to torture.

posted October 16, 2008 01:30 PM         

Beans, on the other hand, provide protein and are very cheap.

But, if we want excuses, we can certainly find them.

I'm not in favor of forcing anything on anyone.

I want them to make their own informed decisions.

If you want to eat meat, eat meat.

But dont pervert your reason in order to do so.

Recognize that apathy, laziness, and selfishness are what motivates your choice.

Then try to live with yourself.

Its a simple as that.

But what do I know, right?

I'm just an unwitting piece of sandpaper for TINK's nafs. "

You're going to have to forgive me, as I'm too "lazy" to read the rather long copypasta you've posted since my last visit.

Before I fine tuned my diet, I had my aura read. It appeared that I was always channeling and compared to a Buddhist monk. I was encouraged to take up Reiki. Mind you, this reading was done for free, by a reader who had nothing to gain from me. Being vegan, she asked me if I were vegan and was surprised to find out I was not.

Now that I'm not constantly on a carbohydrate high, I can better balance my life out between the spiritual and the physical. There is no point in being a spiritual being who cannot focus on the real world. One must take their spiritual and use it to enhance their life, otherwise you are the walking dead.

Beans have a high amount of starch. Furthermore, there are people in this world who are allergic to beans, seeds and nuts. To tell one of them that they too can be vegetarian is rather ignorant. To tell them they are apathetic, selfish and lazy is ignorant.

Meat is expensive but it's what I need. If that means I don't buy unnecessary things, so be it. There are always corners to be cut. I hear smokers complain all the time that the price of food is going up, but they keep buying cigarettes, no matter how much it goes up. Well, that's their choice. I'm not going to consider them less spiritual for it.

posted October 16, 2008 03:12 PM         

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You're going to have to forgive me, as I'm too "lazy" to read the rather long copypasta you've posted since my last visit.

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Haha, I'm not the one who will have to forgive you. Just kidding.
But you might find some of it interesting and educational, even if you just skim through.

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Mind you, this reading was done for free, by a reader who had nothing to gain from me.

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I'm sorry, but this is a very naive statement.
Just because you didnt pay her (that time) doesnt mean she had nothing to gain.
She may very well have gained your confidence, approval, and/or admiration.
To many people, these are equal, if not greater, in worth than money.

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Now that I'm not constantly on a carbohydrate high, I can better balance my life out between the spiritual and the physical. There is no point in being a spiritual being who cannot focus on the real world. One must take their spiritual and use it to enhance their life, otherwise you are the walking dead.

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Well said. But who are we to define for others where "the real world" begins and ends?
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." ~ J. Krishnamurti
I would argue that not eating meat has a very profound effect in the real world,
and I am positive that millions of unhappy animals would agree with me there.

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Beans have a high amount of starch. Furthermore, there are people in this world who are allergic to beans, seeds and nuts. To tell one of them that they too can be vegetarian is rather ignorant. To tell them they are apathetic, selfish and lazy is ignorant.

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I dont know if there is anyone who is allergic to all those things,
and who could not find adequate substitutes other than meat.
If someone really is in that boat, I would make a greater allowance for them.

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Meat is expensive but it's what I need.

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Is that what your vegan nutritionist told you?

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If that means I don't buy unnecessary things, so be it. There are always corners to be cut. I hear smokers complain all the time that the price of food is going up, but they keep buying cigarettes, no matter how much it goes up. Well, that's their choice. I'm not going to consider them less spiritual for it.

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posted October 28, 2008 12:42 AM         

One day an acquaintance came up to me in a health shop to tell me about a worrying article she had read about certain enzyme inhibitors contained in soya. She also mentioned that textured vegetable protein wasn't very good either. She herself was vegan (or veggie, can't remember) and into animal rights, so there was no hidden agenda from her.

I didn't think much of it at the time, but later on when I had internet access I decided to look into it. Just go on google and look up soya.

Still, it doesn't mean that it isn't possible to be vegan just because of soya; it just makes it more complicated.

Eating dairy products in some ways causes as much suffering to animals as eating meat does, since the cow has to give birth once a year in order to keep the milk coming. Her calf is then taken away from her within a couple of days or so, so humans can take her milk instead of her own baby. She will then mourn the loss of her cow for weeks, this is a known fact, that many cows do this. They spend days searching hopelessly for their missing calf and calling the calf mournfully.

I hate suffering.
I am just confused about how we can change things.
So many people I have spoken to care about animals, but argue that it is natural as this is the nature of nature itself in the reality in which we live. (If that makes sense).

What do we do?

Then there is all that stuff about plants having awareness, which I believe....but I don't believe a plant actually suffers in the way that animals do. Some people might argue with that, but you can tap into these things intuitively....rather than rely on all that single, left brained thinking!

I am confused about how to really change things, and whether or not becoming vegan or semi vegan can really help things. So yes, I became lazy with it all. However, I have been thinking about it more lately. I have to say though, that I am vegetarian about 75% of the time....it's the other percentage I do feel bad about though. I eat a little fish, and sometimes chicken.

Mannu, you are wrong about fish not suffering. In Native American cultures, it was custom to hit the fish on the head so that they didn't have to flap around, suffocating, for so long......
That is how fish caught in nets have to die. The other thing that is worth keeping in mind is that our seas are very polluted.

Also, chickens do suffer. They suffer their entire lives in tiny cages they can't move in. They are not treated for any illnesses or injuries they might get since they are regarded as commodities and not sentient beings. They suffer when they are brought to the slaughter, animals sense things, and they are afraid.

Did anyone ever hear about those animals in the news who escaped from the abattoirs?

Gosh, I am such a hypocrite.

I need to stop being so lazy and sort my diet out.

I think part of the reason I do it too, is because I am afraid to confront others about what they do, or make them feel bad....I numb myself to it all.

But apart from all that, what about the nature of nature itself, of life and death, etc?

Will that ever change?

posted October 28, 2008 12:46 AM         

Beans, grains and pulses give me chronic flatulence!

posted October 28, 2008 05:17 PM         

In my village the calf is always given the udder first before her mother is milked for other use. It is common sense. Also if you do not milk the cow for more than 24 hours the udder can become infectitious. Miraculously the Cow seems to serve the purpose of providing us milk for cheese, butter, etc.

The first enlightened sikh guru Nanak (November 1st bday) used to hunt deer and eat its meat, most of it was as protest against the hypocrisy of people. Osho never did that but he did everything else you could think of like 100 Rolls Royce

posted October 28, 2008 06:01 PM         

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I'd eat Christians first. Their belief in Jesus makes them free from sin and therefore better to eat. They also quote too much gospel. I would do a great service by eating them. They're good enough for lions, they're good enough for me.

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posted October 28, 2008 06:38 PM         

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The Europeans believed some North American native Indians were animals and uncivilized. To some extent I agree with them. But much has changed since then.

I still get a perfect salmon filet in the market, thanks to the European nets than the brutal Indian arrow

posted October 29, 2008 01:08 AM         

I'd like to ask how you have been while I was gone but I know you said something like "ups and downs, all around", am I right?

This is an interesting thread, or I should say this has been an interesting discussion. It certainly caught my attention as I am a vegetarian. The starting post contents can be dangerously misleading, in my humble opinion. HSC, I'm not well-updated, but if what you revealed about Osho is genuine (and I know you are an honest man, you almost never, if ever, lie), I am shocked; by the way, I've always been skeptical about the Osho International Foundation, how they function and all those publications and products with the name "Osho". I've read some Osho, but it never appealed to me so I stopped reading his words. He was not on my wavelength and I found his notions and speech suspiciously hollow.

HSC, you said:

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The truth is that eating flesh can be detrimental for several reasons...

For one thing, it is simply barbaric to breed animals for the purpose of slaughtering them.
And the conditions in which most of these creatures are kept are deplorable, to say the least.
Whether or not there are repercussions to our physical and/or spiritual health,
the mere ethical considerations provide more than enough reason for some of us.

I, for one, believe the doctrines I have heard
which say that the flesh carries with it the vibrations of the animal;
the vibrations surrounding both his torturous life, and his torturous death.
They say we are, in a sense, haunted by the souls of the animals we've consumed.
There is some good information on this in the teachings of White Eagle.

Our violence is not released, when we consume flesh, but encouraged,
just as the addiction to alcohol is not released when we drink, though the withdrawal is.
Incidentally, there ought to be a 12-Step program for meat-eaters
(the first step is admitting you have a problem).

As for the question of how changes are made...

All things are connected.

When making changes, we should begin with what is easiest.
For some people, it is easier to change from the outside in,
for others, or at other times, it works best in the reverse.
Some begin with diet, some with exercise, some with affirmations, some with study...
Begin where you are, and find what works for you.

Also...

We would not attempt to reform ourselves at all had there not already been a corresponding inner change.
A few false starts are perfectly natural when making major changes, so dont be discouraged.
Every fresh attempt makes it a little easier.

I recommend starting small and working your way up.
Give up beef, pork, and lamb, to begin with. Chicken next, then dairy and fish.
Make sure you are getting adequate protein, and remember to congratulate yourself
on not contributing to the murder of another animal. You can do it!

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Well-said, HSC Those are truly wise words. Eating flesh only encourages the action. We are all not unfamiliar with the Internet, and as long as we take some time and effort to search the Web with the key words "vegetarian", "vegetarianism", "vegan", "veganism", we might just find some very helpful websites with the various categories of information we need for making the transition. It can be overnight, or it can take steps, levels, so to speak, to give up meat, fish, egg, dairy. Once we get ourselves educated, well-informed, and with clear and strong motivation and conviction, we know exactly what we are doing with our vegetarian lifestyle and why we are doing what we are doing. It's all about educating the public, educating yourself, becoming well-informed and make informed decisions.

Please visit the following thread I started in the HAH forum in which I also shared some personal philosophies on vegetarianism:

"Getting started & well-informed: some good vegetarian links" (with personal thoughts for sharing and potential further discussions)
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002233.html

posted October 29, 2008 08:20 AM         

The Company of Saints and Others

From the beginning of recorded history we can see that vegetables have been the natural food of human beings. Early Greek and Hebrew myths all spoke of people originally eating fruit. Ancient Egyptian priests never ate meat. Many great Greek philosophers such as Plato, Diogenes, and Socrates all advocated vegetarianism.

In India, Shakyamuni Buddha emphasized the importance of Ahimsa, the principle of not harming any living things. He warned His disciples not to eat meat, or else other living beings would become frightened of them. Buddha made the following observations: "Meat eating is just an acquired habit. In the beginning we were not born with a desire for it." "Flesh eating people cut off their inner seed of Great Mercy." "Flesh eating people kill each other and eat each other ... this life I eat you, and next life you eat me ... and it always continues in this way. How can they ever get out of the Three Realms (of illusion)?"

Many early Taoists, early Christians and Jews were vegetarians. It is recorded in the Holy Bible: "And God said, I have provided all kinds of grain and all kinds of fruit for you to eat; but for the wild animals and for all the birds I have provided grass and leafy plants for food." (Genesis 1:29) Other examples forbidding the eating of meat in the Bible: "You must not eat meat with blood in it, because the life is in the blood." (Genesis 9:4) "God said, Who told you to kill the bullock and the she goat to make an offering to me? Wash yourselves from this innocent blood, so I may hear your prayer; otherwise I will turn my head away because your hands are full of blood. Repent yourselves so I may forgive you." St. Paul, one of Jesus' disciples, said in his letter to the Romans, "It is good neither to eat flesh nor to drink wine." (Romans 14:21)

Recently, historians have discovered many ancient books that have shed new light on the life of Jesus and His teachings. Jesus said, "People who have animals' flesh become their own tombs. I tell you honestly, the man who kills will be killed. The man who kills living things and eats their meat is eating the meat of the dead men."

Indian religions also avoid the eating of flesh. It is said that, "People can't get flesh without killing things. A person who hurts sentient beings will never be blessed by God. So, avoid taking flesh!" (Hindu Precept)

The holy scripture of Islam, the Koran, forbids the "eating of dead animals, blood and flesh."

A great Chinese Zen Master, Han Shan Tzu wrote a poem which was strongly against flesh eating: "Go quickly to the market to buy meat and fish and feed them to your wife and children. But why must their lives be taken to sustain yours? It's unreasonable. It will not bring you affinity with Heaven, but make you become dregs of Hell!"

Many famous writers, artists, scientists, philosophers, and eminent men were vegetarians. The following people have all embraced vegetarianism with enthusiasm: Shakyamuni Buddha, Jesus Christ, Virgil, Horace, Plato, Ovid, Petrarch, Pythagoras, Socrates, William Shakespeare, Voltaire, Sir Isaac Newton, Leonardo Da Vinci, Charles Darwin, Benjamin Franklin, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thoreau, Emile Zola, Bertrand Russell, Richard Wagner, Percy Bysshe Shelley, H. G. Wells, Albert Einstein, Rabindranath Tagore, Leo Tolstoy, George Bernard Shaw, Mahatma Gandhi, Albert Schweitzer,...

Albert Einstein said, "It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind."

This has been the common advice of many important figures and sages throughout history!

posted October 29, 2008 09:28 AM         

LTT,
You said

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I am confused about how to really change things, and whether or not becoming vegan or semi vegan can really help things.

So many people I have spoken to care about animals, but argue that it is natural as this is the nature of nature itself in the reality in which we live. (If that makes sense).

What do we do?

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Let me say this , Osho once said it is not even necessary for people to eat fruits for those who knows how to survive on energy directly (I think he said sun, air etc ). Fruit is just a mechanism for human beings who do not know how to obtain the nutrients directly from the source. The atmosphere is trapped in to the soils, the seed sucks the nutrients, becomes a tree, the leaves absorbs sunlight and bears fruits. Which we eat. I do not remember the name of the book in which he said that. I am a super fan of his books. Still plenty to digest his materials. I read 1 chapter of his book daily as part of meditation.

I believe that Geminis finds it tough to meditate inwards. I heard Osho once say the outside and the inside are one and the same. It is possible to practise methods utilising the outside world. There are two methods I know of, but I can't say more on that because I am honing my skills myself. I am not one of those professionals who has not grasped the methods and they start preaching to the rest of the world. I believe in mastering myself and then preaching. It has been 5 years of spiritual practise at LL. Once, I went so far and near my goal, but came back for a reason.
I was surprised I did that actually. Then reading one of Osho's books he mentioned Ramakrishna used to do the same. He would reach the peak and come back. To help humanity, I believe. Check him out if you are interested. He would exclusively follow Islam, Christianity, etc ... to get the peak experience. He once even developed breasts by role playing as a female devotee of Master Krishna and even periods. I bet he must be an aqua. Very intuitive.

posted October 31, 2008 12:13 AM         

I appreciate your warm welcome. However, I'm not going to post regularly. I use the Internet at a library, so it can take over a week for me to reply to someone at times. And sadly, I might not be back for good. I might still go on and take a long hiatus. But it is, indeed, good to be back. So far so good.

And thanks for the link you provided. That's a very fascinating one, HSC.

I have copied and pasted a portion of my other post:

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Vegetarianism is not only a diet, not only a lifestyle. It is a state of mind. Vegetarianism does not go hand in hand with anger. When you intensely feel the suffering of animals for food and feel contemptous toward your fellow human beings who are meat-eaters or fish-eaters (pescitarians)- don't get too emotional. Don't preach. Don't alienate those people from yourself or vice versa. Don't attack meat or fish eaters physically or be verbally abusive. Take it easy. We're only human, and we all make mistakes. Vegetarianism should be all about non-violence and life-loving, so instead of preaching and condemning or being condescending- be nice, be patient, educate the public in a peaceful manner. The angrier you are, the more acidic your blood becomes, and the more difficult it feels to you to stay vegetarian. The more tolerant and compassionate you are, the less likely you would fall off the vegetarian or vegan wagon.

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Admittedly, there are grumpy vegetarians and grumpy vegans who tend to be active animal rights activists. Or there are vegetarians, for some personal reasons have chosen the lifestyle but remain unloving as not entirely adopting vegetarianism as a spiritual path and a state of mind. I really don't think you can be angry and be a genuine vegetarian at the same time- as the above (rather incomplete) quote from myself says, my theory goes as this: the angrier you are, for whatever reason, whatever unresolved inner conflict or personal issues, the more acidic your blood becomes, and the more you crave flesh. Then the cycle goes on, the more flesh you eat, the more acidic your blood becomes, and the angrier and the more unfulfilled you become. It goes like this. For meat-eaters or pescitarians (fish-eaters), it takes a complete transformation in their lives to go vegetarian, and stay vegetarian for life. True vegetarianism is transcendence, letting go what you cling onto; resolve inner violence through others means rather than depending on eating animals that are made of flesh and blood just like us human beings. Many people simply don't care- don't have the time to reflect, don't have the mental power to leap, don't think it's time to make a transition and it's now, don't give too much consideration to the origins of the sentient beings on their plate or in their to-go paper bag.

Also, I don't think sex should be a means to "release violence".

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In all primitive communities a seven-year-old child, or even an eight or nine-year-old child, will continue breast-feeding. Then there is a satisfaction and smoking will not be so necessary. That's why in primitive communities men are not so much interested in women's breasts; there is no problem that somebody will attack them. Nobody looks at the breasts.

If you had been given the breast for ten years continuously, you would get fed up and bored, you would say, "Stop now!" But every child has been taken away from the breast prematurely, and that remains a wound. So all civilized countries are obsessed with breasts. Even an old man, dying, is obsessed with breasts, goes on searching for breasts.

This seems mad, and it is, but the basic cause is there - children should be given the breast otherwise they will become addicted to it, the whole life they will be in search of it.

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In my view, heterosexual men are naturally attracted to women's breasts as those are among the female anatomy that represents femininity, and straight men are simply sexually attracted to women. They feel and express their appreciation for the bosom, the degrees vary from one man to another; some potently, some more mildly. It's only the appreciation of the female physique.

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Sex will disappear by and by.

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I disagree. Sex will not disappper by and by. Sex and sexual experimentation have been virtually commercialized. Sex is not for releasing tension and that alone. Sex is a spiritual experience when you are connected with the one you want, the one you need, the one you love, and who reciprocates. Sex is the divine union between the yin and the yang, the Goddess and the God, the origin and the mystery of all life.

Sex is beautiful; it is only through means of human abuse that makes sex ugly.

Getting back to the subject matter, the uninformed or misinformed people can go on eating flesh without ever wondering what exactly they are putting into their own bodies, minds, and spirits; but when one is finely-informed, educated with all the issues concerning the dietary, ethical, health, environmental, spiritual (if not religious- and I personally would rather say spiritual) issues and facts on vegetarianism, one can certainly make an informed decision. Flesh-eating is an addiction, a gone-wrong culture, a wild phenomenon. It's not because we human beings are capable of eating flesh, hence we are entitled to eating it- but we have the choice to make for ourselves- to continue to eat flesh or not to, and adopting vegetarianism or veganism. It's not that hard. It just takes some good efforts. Not all vegetarians are enlightened or environmentally-aware, but one cannot claim themselves to be enlightened or enviromentally-aware and yet still consumes flesh. Be motivated. Make the transition. Stay informed.

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posted October 31, 2008 11:39 AM         

Most Aquas I met believes that there is wrong and there is right and their choices are driven based on that fundamental premise.

The only way to go to the other universe is to be choiceless yet very Aware. This state cannot be talked about. It is irrational and beyond science. Only those who has experienced it knows it. They cannot even tell you what they experienced.

Lao Tsu made a wonderful statement - "Truth cannot be said, if it is said it is not Truth".

The scientific truths are becoming more and more irrational as we advance. Einstein could never catch the Garderner (who he calls God) at his work even until his death.

Hehehe... Need to say more and other points does beg clarification. If you are not ready you will not understand. When you are ready a whole door opens up. It will come. Be aware.

And sex does dissapear by and by. If it does not, you were repressed in your earlier stages of life.

Every master is different and their expressions of truth is different. Not every enlightened one could be called a Master. A Master is someone who could help people by expressing the truth he experienced.
Example: If you are a great Orator and one day become enlightened, that skill will help you help others.

posted October 31, 2008 11:22 PM         

Some of us here on this thread seem all very opinionated and headstrong. We seem to try to change one another and yet we all maintain our original dispositions.

The facts are out there. The excuses are endless. It's only too easy to neglect reality.

I am not a follower of Eastern mysticism and I ditched Sigmund Freud a long time ago.

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Is sex a bad thing for you, then? Do you perceive sex as the blockage for your spiritual enlightenment? The ancient East tended to renounce the physical and separate it from the intellectual and the spiritual. Such as the usage "Lust". As far as I'm concerned, this is a matter of opinion. We can disagree with each other and respect one another's different perspectives. Osho said the lowest level of love is sexual love, and the highest level of love is compassion. I think both the ancient East and the modern West misunderstand and mismanage sex. Sex is not a vice for the individuals who seek spiritual evolution. The total abandonment of sex, ego and attachment look very spiritual on the surface, but this ideology is biased. Still, there are many who turn to Eastern mysticism.

Sex is a good thing in its true nature. The humankind still understands way too little about the power of sex after millennia of the so-called human evolution. The physical should not be separated from the intellectual and the spiritual. They are one, and the physical is one fundemental part of the configuration and is not "the lowest level". Like I said, it is only through human abuse that makes sex unappealing.

A sound motive is needed for a transition such as adopting vegetarianism. All categories of essential information are available, one just need to do their homework so they don't get sick and consequently fall off the vegetarian wagon. Anyone who are interested in vegetarianism should bear an excellent motive in mind at all times. We've tried to participate in the debate while you firmly maintain your disposition. Only you have the power to find motivation and change.

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posted November 01, 2008 01:28 AM         

For those who have a hard time or used to have a hard time staying vegetarian/vegan and gave up- those organizations, those websites are interactive. You can send your comments or questions to their email boxes or something similar on their sites. Seek counsel from experienced vegetarians/vegans.

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Human intelligence is higher than that of animals, and we can use weapons to make them unable to resist us, so they die with hatred.

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When animals are killed, they are terribly stricken with agony, fear and resentment. This causes the production of toxins that stay in their meat to harm those who eat it. Since the frequency of the vibration of animals is lower than that of mankind, they will influence our vibration, and affect the development of our wisdom.

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Mencius also said, "If you see it alive, you can't bear to see it die, and if you hear it groaning you can not bear to eat its meat; so the real gentlemen keep far from the kitchen."

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posted November 01, 2008 03:46 AM         

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Osho said the lowest level of love is sexual love, and the highest level of love is compassion. I think both the ancient East and the modern West misunderstand and mismanage sex. Sex is not a vice for the individuals who seek spiritual evolution. The total abandonment of sex, ego and attachment look very spiritual on the surface, but this ideology is biased. Still, there are many who turn to Eastern mysticism.

Sex is a good thing in its true nature. The humankind still understands way too little about the power of sex after millennia of the so-called human evolution. The physical should not be separated from the intellectual and the spiritual. They are one, and the physical is one fundemental part of the configuration and is not "the lowest level". Like I said, it is only through human abuse that makes sex unappealing.

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posted November 01, 2008 03:56 AM         

Ideally, I would prefer not to eat at all, but as it takes time to evolve to that point and the nature of our reality is death intertwined with life.....I chose instead not to be a puritanical fighter for vegetarianism, but instead help people to wake up (even if some of them take longer) to the truth that our animal brothers and sisters deserve our respect.......

posted November 01, 2008 11:48 PM         

I'm pleased you feel the same way about sex. Sex (not the distorted, commercialized type) is not spiritual degradation, but a transcendental experience that is part of the human spiritual evolution.

I hope you will feel better and better in time. You'll be in my thoughts

posted November 03, 2008 09:52 PM         

I'm getting off the subject matter of this thread but I'd like to invite you to check out the following link:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002234.html

That's my thread at HAH, and I discussed two books on natural remedies for depression. If you've been troubled by depression for an extensive period of time (and it sounded like it according to the way you described it), you might like to do some online or offline research on natural, alternative therapies available in your local area or not far from your borough. It's essential to heal depression as early as possible, and it is better to never ever touch those antidepressants.

You'll be in my thoughts and prayers

Get well soon.

posted November 04, 2008 09:34 AM         

The hindus have a balanced view of life. A Brahmin(temple priests) is allowed to marry unlike the catholic priests.

I think the sperm is produced from blood just as milk is produced from blood.
Its just in different form.

If you do not ejaculate for a long time, the sperm dissolves back in to blood.

Osho says everything is energy including sex, anger, lust, compassion , etc etc...
lust being lower because it drains ur energy and compassion higher because the more you give the more you will receive from God. Try to understand this. Buddha spoke for 40 years and one day he said "I never spoke a word". Was it the cosmos energy that spoke thru him? Jesus too said so many times "it is not me but my father who acts thru me" (paraphrasing)

There is a group of people in India who uses sex partners , meat etc , for enlightenement.

there is not just one method to tap in to the beyond but several imho.

posted November 04, 2008 09:43 AM         

The point that I was trying to make was that next time you eat non-veg food be conscious of what you eat. Are you really violent deep inside? Make it a habit to be aware of every activity that you perform in your life. Pay attention even while doing simple activities like brushing your teeth, etc etc... Your whole life will be transformed in just a few years.

When all of your energy becomes compassion, you will not kill, you will respect life -- respect humans, respect animals, respect plants. Your motto will be "do unto others, what you want others do to you". Jesus had a unique way of holding the bread and breaking it.
Isn't there a story where his disciples recognized him only by his style of breaking bread after his resurrection? Anyone heard that before?

Perhaps will start separate threads when I get the time.