posted May 26, 2014 12:20 PM            

About 6 months ago I met a guy... loved him from the very first moment (very rare for me) and def. a Mutual thing.. we talked a lot and had the same (political) view on life, society and the world. Also a strong physical attraction (All-in-one! not?)...

Greatt composite & synastry! A composite double-double mystic rectangle with about all the main planets involved (not 1 square).. it all seemed so *right* & falling at-its-place .. also an exact venus/mars DW quintile with our natal venus/mars midpoints exactly conjunct etc.

And then I looked at our progressions...

- My progressed descendant within 0'40 conjunct the ruler of his descendant mercury! wow! (appl)

- My progressed IC within 0'40 conjunct de ruler of his ascendant Jupiter! wow! (appl.)

(so his natal Jupiter/mercury square falling exactly on my progressed Desc/IC)

And then..

NO!!

His progressed Sun in an 1* applying square to my natal Venus!

Ow yess.. you bet it played out that way!

posted May 26, 2014 12:45 PM              

Or...

Hm. There must be something lacking in the synastry. Would you post it?

posted May 26, 2014 01:59 PM              

Westran talks about the Venus-Sun-square as the "Star crossed lovers" or "Romeo-and-Juliet" aspect, usually some external circumstances keeping or pulling the lovers apart (maybe sometimes it can also be something internal).

posted May 26, 2014 11:07 PM            

But yes.. def. external circumstances which pulled me and Mr progr. square apart. Completely immersed by trialS against our state after the yugoslav war he fought in back then (this was coincidentally 'trial climax time'). Perhaps also an internal thing because he got PTSD after his deployment.

In case the synastry still appreciated, which rocks do I have to add?

posted May 26, 2014 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mir,
I am sorry.

Westran talks about the Venus-Sun-square as the "Star crossed lovers" or "Romeo-and-Juliet" aspect, usually some external circumstances keeping or pulling the lovers apart (maybe sometimes it can also be something internal).

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Ha! Well, I'll be damned.

At the time we met:

My SUN was progressed to 14º SCO.
His natal VENUS? 13º AQU.

Guess that's the 'star-crossed aspect', huh?

Granted, that was when we first spoke online.

When we actually met, in person:

posted May 26, 2014 11:33 PM            

As you know, my SUN was progressed to 19º SCO in 2010, when I met him for the first time in person.

But I met my Guardian a little over a month prior: 27 January.

His natal VENUS is 21º LEO. Huh. 2º.

Now, interestingly, his SUN progressed to 21º LEO ...

... October 2013.

posted May 27, 2014 12:14 AM            

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My SUN was progressed to 14º SCO.
His natal VENUS? 13º AQU.

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This is very interesting.
Because.. how many couples out of the 1300(?) from Westrans research had an applying square AND solstice conjunction?

posted May 27, 2014 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
This is very interesting.
Because.. how many couples out of the 1300(?) from Westrans research had an applying square AND solstice conjunction?

This could be an exception to the rule?

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Oh, what an interesting thought, mir. I'd not even thought about it being antiscia. Perhaps, yes?

Especially as the one where his natal VENUS is square my progressed SUN, 2°, with no antiscia, had been off-and-on since the beginning, but has been on since last October.

posted May 27, 2014 01:02 AM            

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Especially as the one where his natal VENUS is square my progressed SUN, 2°, with no antiscia, had been off-and-on since the beginning, but has been on since last October.

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posted May 27, 2014 02:54 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Ha! Well, I'll be damned.

At the time we met:

My SUN was progressed to 14º SCO.
His natal VENUS? 13º AQU.

Guess that's the 'star-crossed aspect', huh?

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posted May 27, 2014 05:03 AM              

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Originally posted by mir:

In case the synastry still appreciated, which rocks do I have to add?

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I would be very curious to look at the synastry, to see how much that square weighs.

I would add, apart from the drop down in astro.com, some usual love asteroids: Valentine, Amor, Alma, Union, Eros, Psyche and some fated ones: Karma, Pholus and anything else you found significant in your synastry. Usually, the planets/angles/nodes already tell the story as it is

posted May 27, 2014 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As a mattr of fact the square was already separating, and maybe made the contact even possible, though at 1 degree it was still too close not to be felt somehow.

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posted May 27, 2014 10:45 AM            

As I was looking up certain things this morning, my iTunes shuffle switched to my cover of 'Against All Odds' and then went to the Kate Bush classic (which I'm set to cover in the studio this fall) 'Running Up That Hill'.

posted May 27, 2014 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As a mattr of fact the square was already separating, and maybe made the contact even possible, though at 1 degree it was still too close not to be felt somehow.

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Ah it was separating, stupid me.
Westran says if you meet at 1* applying you will feel the difference with 1* separating. If you meet at 2* appl. you will feel the difference with 2* separating..

posted May 27, 2014 11:23 AM            

ORBfact = 50%

Ok, I think one of our big blessings in the synastry is this;

- Asc/Asc square
- Venus/Venus square
- Mars/Mars square

(pretty tight all)

Although ^^ it could look a bit awful at first sight the result is a very interesting pattern;

- DW Venus/Mars quintile (natal venus/mars midpoints conjunct)
- DW Venus/Asc trine (natal venus/asc midpoints conjunct)
- both a natal Mars/Asc quindecile (= same phase angle)

And my Moon rrealy loved that Pisces-Sun vibe of him (trine).

posted May 27, 2014 11:35 AM            

When you first meet online, do you take your Meeting Chart to be the first contact made - until you meet in person? Then does THAT become the Meeting Chart?

posted May 27, 2014 01:05 PM              

there are always several important meetings

first first meeting: in this case the very first contact online

first meeting as in first date

first time you make love

date when you move in together

wedding day

etc.

In your case you have (at least lol) 2:

first contact online
first meeting in person

posted May 27, 2014 01:28 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Here's the main question, Ceri. Something I'm still unsure about - and it's become more prevalent.

When you first meet online, do you take your Meeting Chart to be the first contact made - until you meet in person? Then does THAT become the Meeting Chart?

Or is your Meeting Chart, forever-and-always, the first contact made - regardless of medium?

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different opinions on that out there.

I can only say for myself that whenever I met someone physically, something shifted and it felt like *something* was locking into place (almost like a starting signal).

posted May 27, 2014 03:33 PM              

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Originally posted by mir:
Leeloo... no, nothing secret .. the only thing coming close is that he has some sort of mystery vibe about him. Something I can't grasp but that's pretty common with pisces-sun & moon for me. They feel so framed of another leer somehow..

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He seems to have some secret power or secrets, with Pluto, 12th ruler, right on MC.

posted May 27, 2014 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
My opinion: (you didn't ask me, I know )

there are always several important meetings

first first meeting: in this case the very first contact online

first meeting as in first date

first time you make love

date when you move in together

wedding day

etc.

In your case you have (at least lol) 2:

first contact online
first meeting in person

I think first contact (as in the very first) - in your case online - is always extremely revealing to the fate of the relationship, at least from what I've seen so far. It's like the very moment the Fates put you in contact, the beginning of the whole charade.

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Oh, feel free, Lee! She was just specifying a few things, and I thought I'd seek clarification.

In our case, it's pretty jumbled.

1) First Contact (online) (in character) (writing)
2) First Direct Conversation (online) (chat)
3) First 'Phone' Conversation (on-air) (broadcast radio guests)
4) First Face-to-Face Meeting (at the studio) (recording)
5) First Honest Communication (email) (text)
6) First Face-to-Face Honest Meeting (driving through) (dinner)

Pretty much up to 5), he had been lying about his identity, which is what halted (in my mind) anything and everything beyond a certain distance.

So, for me, 5) was HUGE, and 6) is almost the 'first' meeting.

Follow? It gets VERY confusing.

posted May 27, 2014 06:18 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Oh, feel free, Lee! She was just specifying a few things, and I thought I'd seek clarification.

In our case, it's pretty jumbled.

1) First Contact (online) (in character) (writing)
2) First Direct Conversation (online) (chat)
3) First 'Phone' Conversation (on-air) (broadcast radio guests)
4) First Face-to-Face Meeting (at the studio) (recording)
5) First Honest Communication (email) (text)
6) First Face-to-Face Honest Meeting (driving through) (dinner)

Pretty much up to 5), he had been lying about his identity, which is what halted (in my mind) anything and everything beyond a certain distance.

So, for me, 5) was HUGE, and 6) is almost the 'first' meeting.

Follow? It gets VERY confusing.

I'd almost say that it went in stages, with the 'lasting' Meeting Chart being 6), but them all being meaningful at certain points.

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