posted November 18, 2007 03:05 PM              

"I do have a "Magi Pyramid" with his Venus, Jupiter, Pluto (and Osiris, for good measure) parallel my Pluto (and Vertex)"
That sounds quite intense; there`s this Venus-Pluto - obsessive sexual linkage.
I wonder if he feels this one more than you, since his Venus is affected and your Pluto.
Well, but your Vertex may give you this feeling of "fatedness".

"his Jupiter is cp my Neptune as well."
I know that the Magi call that a "Romantic golden linkage", but I don`t really know what the difference between a romantic and a romance linkage is. I guess, the romance-linkage is stronger, but the romantic linkages is almost as powerful, or am I wrong here?

"I haven't really looked into the helios, and you said that it's the latitudes that you consider?"
Yes.

" Are we looking at the 1.2 orb again or are latitudes different?"
No, they suggest you only use an orb of 0.3 or 0 degrees and 18 minutes for the latitudes.

Diandra,

"Venus-Kiron LINKAGE -his Venus is latitude my Kiron(0º05) and i can say that we felt in love instantaneously and in a very strong and powerful way."
How lovely! And it`s an awesome linkage to have.

"Doubel Effect of that Linkage PLUS the ones we have in the GEO: Kiron kikunkx Pluto and Neptune"
Yes, I definitely think they add up.
BTW do you also share a Yod of Pluto, Neptune and Chiron?

"- pluto p my Venus ( could this be felt as a conjunction?)"
I`d say, yes.

I like many of your declinational or latitudinal aspects, especially this Valentine-Karma-parallel looks NICE.

posted November 18, 2007 03:31 PM              

It seems that Magi may bee too radical sometimes but their research do have fundamental basis for us to look at.

Well,we share 2 Mystical Triangles in the Geo sinastry involving our romance planets:kiron-neptune and Venus.

Not the YOD with the ones youve talked about - we have no 2 sextiles and a kikunk envolving our those 3 planets/asteroids...
we only have one triangle where there are 2 kikunkses and one sextile...

posted November 18, 2007 03:42 PM              

a yod is actually formed by one sextile and two quinkunxes, so you have one. And the Chiron seems to be the focal point, since both quinkunxes point towards Chiron. Just like in the case of A and me.

I noticed something else, reading another thread.
On 10th december I will attend another concert, with two different musical actors; one being the one I have seen with A on that TV show all those years ago, and had a minor crush on him then.

It seems that the Jupiter-Pluto-conjunction will be conjunct my Sun, and actually be exactly conjunct the composite-Sun of A and me. And the New Moon 1 day before this will be exactly opposite my Karma, A`s draconic Karma and conjunct A´s Osiris.
Also, TR Mars will be exactly opposite our Composite-Venus and Tr-Venus will be conjunct our Composite - Mars.

Too bad A is not a special guest on that concert. That would be a good opportunity to test the validity of composites. lol
Also, during the last year I ALWAYS met A, when Transit Pluto was conjunct our Composite Sun and now it is EXACTLY conjuncting it. *Sighs* I really wish he was there. Maybe I could gather up enough strength to actually TALK to him, instead of just analysing our synastry to death. lol

posted November 18, 2007 03:42 PM              

a yod is actually formed by one sextile and two quinkunxes, so you have one. And the Chiron seems to be the focal point, since both quinkunxes point towards Chiron. Just like in the case of A and me.

I noticed something else, reading another thread.
On 10th december I will attend another concert, with two different musical actors; one being the one I have seen with A on that TV show all those years ago, and had a minor crush on him then.

It seems that the Jupiter-Pluto-conjunction will be conjunct my Sun, and actually be exactly conjunct the composite-Sun of A and me. And the New Moon 1 day before this will be exactly opposite my Karma, A`s draconic Karma and conjunct A´s Osiris.
Also, TR Mars will be exactly opposite our Composite-Venus and Tr-Venus will be conjunct our Composite - Mars.

Too bad A is not a special guest on that concert. That would be a good opportunity to test the validity of composites. lol
Also, during the last year I ALWAYS met A, when Transit Pluto was conjunct our Composite Sun and now it is EXACTLY conjuncting it. *Sighs* I really wish he was there. Maybe I could gather up enough strength to actually TALK to him, instead of just analysing our synastry to death. lol

posted November 18, 2007 03:50 PM              

on my Helio , in the latitudes I have myself a Cinderella Linkage:my Venus 3´22S is latitude my Kiron 3´28S - might this atenuate the fact that in my Tropical i only have almost turbulent to my kiron ( involving a turbulent to my venus?)

Also i have my Valentine latitude m~y Venus and my kiron - it seems a lovely aspect as almost saying that love is intimately conected to healing in my life.

Jonnhy on the other side, has his Kiron lat his Saturn showing the caution he has in love relationships. He also has a lovely aspect:Union latitudes his Amor/Osiris/Mercury.

His Valentine is almost exactly lat his Mars

I found out aother Cinderella in our Helios,but htis time in the declinations : Kiron 16º34´N lat his Jupiter 16´01S

posted November 18, 2007 03:51 PM              

Diandra, it's fantastic that you found that Chiron-Venus parallel in the Helio synastry. Amazing, is it not? I've been finding that one and the Venus-Mars one (and also DD's Venus-Neptune) in almost every couple's synastry (at least long term couples anyway), either in geo or helio longis or declinations/lats. I think those are the key aspects between people -- and Venus is the key in them. Also, I agree that the involvement of Chiron is almost inevitable between people in true love with each other, especially that Venus-Chiron one.

I am right now looking at charts on astro.com. I don't have the magi software so it is slow going. But almost every couple I analyze (the long term ones) seem to have at least one or more of those three linkages between them. Oh, and I think the Venus-Chiron linkage can have a slightly wider orb and be pretty effective, IMO (even if the Magi don't recommend it and call it a deceiving orb/linkage). It's just a very powerful linkage. However, and this is a very big however, I HAVE found this linkage between people who are NOT friends and who did NOT fall in love. In those cases, there have almost always been other linkages/clashes that mean an immediate or gradual onset of dislike or disunity between the people. Most of the time, these linkages or clashes or usually the Saturn/Jupiter, Saturn/Juno, Saturn/Venus, Saturn/Eros, Saturn/Moon or Saturn/Sun ones. But NOT Saturn/Chiron (which is a completely different ballgame of emotions than those other ones). That is because those other aspects can create actual dislike or disinterest between people. The Saturn/Chiron one does not. Instead it creates attraction in the beginning which often results in heartbreak. Again, take all of that with a pinch of salt. Just know that Saturn/Chiron can often create emotional attraction.

I also check the Westran method of progression aspects between people. Sometimes it needs one of those personal planet linkups in the progression charts between two people to get things going. But natal linkages need to be there for anything to come of the interaction.

EDIT: Diandra, that helio aspect you have in your natal chart between your Chiron and your Venus basically gives you a need to be in love. It also means that if a man's key planet (either his Neptune, or Pluto, or Venus, Mars, or Sun etc) is parallel those two in your chart, there is more chance of a deeper interaction between the two of you. Basically, it sets up a touchpoint in your chart for another person to set off.

posted November 18, 2007 04:20 PM              

Oh so i was mistaken about the Yod hihih

You never know if he would appear there - to you everyting happens in a fantastic and unexpected way isnt it? Pluto and Sun are seen as very powerful isns it? And meaning intense feelings - it sure is !! I bet that if he appears you will gain the courage enough to go and talk - cause i think the more you discover here,and it has been awesome conections..inside you feel pulled into and although the fear, you also have the curiosity enough to take that pull into the next stage if have the chance

Tara,

Really i wasnt expecting to find so many conections in the Helio but as DD showed,I was doint it wrong hihih - Yup i can say that healing and love is soooo here between us - it´s an amazing thing to have really, and i wish i could be one of the couples of long term-as now we are only in a 1year and 6 months relationship.

But our trine might not be considered even in a wider orb..its 6ºONE...but we also have the Clash between saturn/Moon a kikunk- sometimes i feel it but in the end its for my highest good

Lovely interpretation on my natal helio

i checked what planets/asteroids of his toutches my venus/kiron and found:

HELIO
-his Venus is lat my venus
- his kirojn/karma/jup are P my kiron

GEO
-his kiron is P my Kiron ( close ages i guess)
- his Moon is P and Lat my Kiron
- His Pluto is P my Venus

Maybe 8Moon wants to join us! She has the May Software and helped me a lot and im very grateful to her as I found throu her Report many meaningful conections

posted November 18, 2007 11:16 PM            

I must say you guys should be soo proud of yourselves for doing all this research. I have the attention span of a 2 yr old lol

posted November 19, 2007 10:11 AM              

"Amazing, is it not? I've been finding that one and the Venus-Mars one (and also DD's Venus-Neptune) in almost every couple's synastry (at least long term couples anyway), either in geo or helio longis or declinations/lats. I think those are the key aspects between people -- and Venus is the key in them."
I definitely agree. Also, I often found the SAturn-Chiron clash and the Venus-Chiron-linkage or clash present in love-relationships.

"of the time, these linkages or clashes or usually the Saturn/Jupiter, Saturn/Juno, Saturn/Venus, Saturn/Eros, Saturn/Moon or Saturn/Sun ones."
You also count the linkages here? (I guess those would be the one that cause gradual dislike or at least a growing critical attitude towards the other person).
And would you say, one of those linkages or clashes suffices to cause that dislike. Or is it more like a weighing up. For example, if a couple has the Venus-Chiron linkage, several Romance Super linkage and The Saturn-Sun-clash (but none of the other mentioned clashes or critical linkages), would those good linkages "outweigh" the Saturn-Sun-clash in the end, even though of course from time to time this clash becomes "feelable"?
Also, would you maybe agree, that it also depends on the transits a couple has, which linkages or clashes are felt.
What I mean is: let`s say the couple has that Saturn-Sun-clash, but it is not triggered by any transits, would it be then more a dormant one?

Also, I researched some of our soulmate-couples some more, in light of the mentioned difficult SAturn-aspects.

Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith:
his Chiron quinkunx her Jupiter
his Chiron trine her Neptune
his Chiron trine her Neptune (helio)
his Chiron cp her Venus
his Neptune p her Venus (helio)
his Venus conjunct her Mars
his Venus parallel her Mars

her Saturn trine his Moon
her Saturn trine his Juno
her Saturn opposite his Eros
his Saturn trine her Eros (helio)

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
his Chiron cp her Venus
her Chiron trine his Jupiter
his Chiron cp her Jupiter (helio)
her Chiron p his Neptune
his Chiron p her Neptune (helio)
her Chiron p his Pluto (helio)

his Saturn trine her Venus
her Saturn p his Venus
his Saturn square her Eros
her Saturn conjunct his Jupiter
her Saturn p his Jupiter
her Saturn quinkunx his Earth / Moon (helio)
her Saturn conjunct his Jupiter

Paul McCartney - Linda Eastman
his Chiron quinkunx her Venus (helio)
her Chiron conjunct his Pluto (helio)
her Venus cp his Mars (helio)
her Venus cp his Neptune (helio)

her Saturn square his Eros
his Saturn p her Venus (helio)
her Saturn quinkunx his Earth / Moon (helio)
her Stuarn opposite his Juno (helio)

Johnny Cash - June Carter:
his Chiron conjunct her Venus
his Chiron p her Venus
his Chiron p her Venus (helio)

his Saturn quinkunx her Sun
his Saturn cp her Earth/ Moon (helio)
his Saturn trine her Jupiter
his Saturn cp her Jupiter
her Saturn p his Jupiter (helio)
his Saturn trine her Jupiter (helio)

Johnny Depp - Vanessa Paradis
her Chiron conjunct his Jupiter
her Chiron cp his Jupiter (helio)
her Chiron quinkunx his Neptune
her Chiron quinkunx his Neptune (helio)
her Chiron p his Neptune (helio)
her Chiron quinkunx his Pluto
his Venus cp her Mars

posted November 19, 2007 10:37 AM              

Cinderella and romance linkages:
Chiron - Venus: 4 (couples)
Chiron - Neptune: 3
Chiron - Jupiter: 3
Chiron - Pluto: 3
Venus - Mars: 3
Venus - Neptune: 2

Saturn-aspects (linkages and clashes):
Saturn - Sun/ Earth:4 (all clashes!)
Saturn - Moon: 5 (4 clashes)
Saturn - Venus: 2 (linkages)
Saturn-Jupiter: 3 (linkages)
Saturn - Juno: 3 (2 clashes)
Saturn - Eros: 3 (clashes)

It seems that a connection of Saturn to Sun / Moon is not necessarily a sign of incompatibility, but maybe even necessary, since all those couples have either an aspect of Saturn to Sun or to Moon (often they have both).

posted November 19, 2007 06:39 PM            

Saturn CP Chiron

8th

PS) FunnyFace...If you look at both of your charts and use the link that I posted a day or two ago, it will tell you all of the Magi linkages and activations.

posted November 19, 2007 07:03 PM            

My Chiron quincunx his Venus (1 degree orb)
My Chiron square his Venus (7, helio)
His Chiron square my Venus (9, helio)
My Chiron quincunx his Neptune (2)
My Chiron biquintile his Neptune (0, helio)
His Chiron trine my Neptune (1 geo, 2 helio)
My Chiron trine his Jupiter (3)
His Chiron semi-sextile my Jupiter(2, helio)
My Chiron quincunx his Pluto (2)
His Chiron oppose my Pluto (5 geo, 4 helio)
Venus/Mars - N/A
My Venus quincunx his Neptune (0 both geo and helio)
His Venus trine my Neptune (7, helio)

My Pluto conjunct his Venus (6)
His Pluto square my Venus (0)
My Pluto sextile his Venus (5, helio)
His Pluto square my Venus (3, helio)

My Saturn square his Earth and Moon (Both 4, helio)
My Saturn square his Sun (7)
My Saturn sextile his Venus (0)
My Saturn conjunct his Venus (0, helio)
His Saturn semi-sextile my Jupiter (0 geo, 2 helio)
Saturn/Juno - N/A
My Saturn trine his Eros (helio)

My Juno quincunx his Chiron (0)

This is with my ex-bf. What do you Magi experts think of this? Earlier I had asked whether my natal heartbreak clash would somehow affect me in my relationships. I appreciate your replies So maybe I do need that magical linkage (according to Magi) in order to keep a dude around longer than 6 months? LOL. Good to know for future reference.

posted November 19, 2007 10:34 PM            

Also, I noticed that in the Saturn clashes it is mainly my Saturn doing all the clashing. Do you know anything about whether it matters whose Saturn is making the most aspects?

Thanks,

posted November 19, 2007 11:01 PM            

I see that you already received interpretation of your synastry on another thread.

If you'd like to post your Venus/Chiron or Magi related aspects here...which is what Sag Sun's thread is about...I'll be happy to take a look.

Love,

I don't see a Saturn clash among what you've listed...although it's late and I might be missing something. Saturn conj Venus is considered a Saturn captivation. If it's your Saturn that makes most of the aspects, Magi consider this to be a relationship where you're the one holding the cards. The rest are out of orb.

The Chiron/Venus square, however, is considered a heartbreaker...aka"The Impossible Dream" clash. The attraction is big, but it just can't work in the world of Magi. This is your ex?

Check out someone's charts that you know that have been married for a very long time to check the accuracy of the statements.

DD...checked out the date my sis & bro in law were married. (If you don't rem...they don't have any Cinderella aspects in synastry) 2 Cinderellas...Neptune Chiron and Pluto Chiron. Still haven't had time to check their Helio or Decs! (I'll get there...someday!)

8th

posted November 19, 2007 11:28 PM              

But yeah, I'd consider the Saturn linkages not very good for a relationship in the long run. They're all Saturn captivations, and unless there's Saturn balance between the charts, they will end up as one person controlling the other a bit too much and/or just walking away without much heartache or a look back. And even then, I think Saturn brings in a "what can you do for me because I've done all this for you" attitude that's almost like score-keeping. And that's never good in a relationship.

BTW, I forgot to list Saturn-Neptune. The linkage is not great, but the activation is just awful. I have first hand experience of this one, btw, and it was exact between me and my ex. And "ugh" is all I can say to that one.

Isn't it amazing though how many long term/in love couples have those Venus-Chiron, Chiron-Neptune, Chiron-Jupiter linkages?

Oh, and also a grand trine involving those planets between people, and you've got it made.

All just my op. Bye for now... good night!!

posted November 20, 2007 12:07 AM            

This actually makes more sense to me now...

<<<<< they will end up as one person controlling the other a bit too much and/or just walking away without much heartache or a look back >>>>>

It was the ex who walked away so maybe there's something to this Magi astrology.

posted November 20, 2007 06:06 AM            

Funny Face,

You asked what you should look for.

Once again, this link tells you everything, in terms of Magi astrology, to look for. Go through your chart and list what you two do have together within 3 degrees.
http://www.jupitersweb.com/magi_astrology_aspects.htm

posted November 20, 2007 07:55 AM              

Sun 150 moon
Sun 0 neptune
mars 0 sun
mars 180 venus
mars 90 AC
jupiter 90 venus
saturn 120 merc and uranus
saturn 60 chiron
uranus 0 jupiter
neptune 150 moon
neptune 120 chiron
pluto 90 chiron
AC 120 neptune
chiron 180 sun
chiron 150 venus
chiron 90 mars
chiron CP jupiter
jupiter CP AC
mercury P mars
saturn CP neptune
Pluto CP MC
when I look at declinations his jupiter and sun are at 3.7 and 4.8 and his jupiter is CP my Chiron at 5.8. his chiron is at 4.5. My uranus is at 5.9

I have not looked at a helio chart. But astro 123 has a good program, it seems for looking at helios.
Thanks again.
Let me know if it means anything

posted November 21, 2007 03:45 PM              

"they will end up as one person controlling the other a bit too much and/or just walking away without much heartache or a look back."
Well, I noticed that I share the Saturn-Sun-square with both music-men. Just in the case with A he is the Saturn, while in the case with P I am Saturn, but believe me it has definitely NOT been easy to walk away (from my illusions and teenager-dreams involving P). But maybe the reason for this is that his Saturn is contraparallel my Chiron in the helio.

"BTW, I forgot to list Saturn-Neptune. The linkage is not great, but the activation is just awful."
Jip, ABSOLUTELY awful!
During that time this friend of mine died, I was having Transit Saturn opposite my Neptune. Seriously, that Saturn-Neptune-activation seems to be even more painful than the Saturn-Chiron-one.
And now I`m gonna ahve one again. *deep sigh* Transit Saturn squaring my Neptune and opposing my Jupiter in a while. Every 7 years, you know?
But on the other hand I also have had very karmic encounters during the Saturn-Neptune-periods. Painful, yes, definitely. But also, underneath the pain, there was a great emotional depth, but maybe that was due to other transits.

"And "ugh" is all I can say to that one. "
How did it play out?

"Isn't it amazing though how many long term/in love couples have those Venus-Chiron, Chiron-Neptune, Chiron-Jupiter linkages?"
Yes, I`m a bit puzzled about Chiron-Jupiter though.
Would oyu say it is also a romance aspect on its own or does this one need some more romantic aspects like Venus-Neptune, Venus-Mars, Chiron-Venus or Chiron-Neptune?

Ah btw I just realized something today. I coincidentally natalized a "connection" with someone. I have known him a bit longer, but we shook hands for the first time today. And it dawned just later on me, that this way I natalized our "relationship". I don`t have his birthday.
But our "companionship" chart does include:

A Grand Trine of:
Mercury, Mars and Uranus

A Mystical Triangle of:
Venus trine Chiron square / quinkunx Mars (including two Chiron-linkages).

But also a T-square of:
Moon opposite Venus square Mars

And:
Chiron parallel Juno contraparallel Saturn

And the Helio has:

A Yod of:
EArth / Moon sextile Venus quinkunx the Jupiter / Pluto-conjunction (near the GC)

A Magi pyramid of:
Earth parallel Neptune contraparallel Jupiter

And also the Chiron/ Pluto-parallel in Helio

Hmm, seems I unknowingly natalized some strong planetary geometry (and it was rather exact today).