posted November 21, 2007 03:57 PM              

the orb for the declinations is only 1.2 or 1 degree and 12 minutes.

posted November 21, 2007 07:33 PM            

Did you check the declinations, helios, date of marriage and synastry, or just the synastry? My sis and bro in law have been married for 23 years so far and don't have that in synastry, declinations or on the date of their marriage. I haven't checked helios yet.

posted November 25, 2007 03:44 PM              

Sorry, for the delay in response. We were having Thanksgiving here so I was away on holiday.

"they will end up as one person controlling the other a bit too much and/or just walking away without much heartache or a look back."
Well, I noticed that I share the Saturn-Sun-square with both music-men. Just in the case with A he is the Saturn, while in the case with P I am Saturn, but believe me it has definitely NOT been easy to walk away (from my illusions and teenager-dreams involving P). But maybe the reason for this is that his Saturn is contraparallel my Chiron in the helio.

***Yes, I believe any Saturn-Chiron contact in the synastry makes it really, really difficult for the Chiron person to let go. If it's the activation, then there might be heartbreak (sometimes on both sides), but if it's a linkage, then it's usually the Chiron person who has the difficult time walking away. It's a lot of glue, and sometimes it's hard to peel oneself off of it without leaving bruised skin. I tend to think of Saturn-Chiron synastry that way.

"BTW, I forgot to list Saturn-Neptune. The linkage is not great, but the activation is just awful."
Jip, ABSOLUTELY awful!
During that time this friend of mine died, I was having Transit Saturn opposite my Neptune. Seriously, that Saturn-Neptune-activation seems to be even more painful than the Saturn-Chiron-one.
And now I`m gonna ahve one again. *deep sigh* Transit Saturn squaring my Neptune and opposing my Jupiter in a while. Every 7 years, you know?
But on the other hand I also have had very karmic encounters during the Saturn-Neptune-periods. Painful, yes, definitely. But also, underneath the pain, there was a great emotional depth, but maybe that was due to other transits.

***And I absolutely agree with you there! I've had both and I noticed a difference between the two. The Saturn-Chiron transits (I've had the difficult ones as well as the trines etc) were total emotional roller-coasters. However, the Saturn-Neptune weren't only that, but they were also financially and physically debilitating. During the transiting Saturn square my natal Neptune, I felt as if I was besieged from all sides! It was as if I was living every single day on the edge, in danger of toppling over the abyss. But I learned a lot about myself, about life, and about people through it all.

ONe question for you: did you see any difference between the soft transits and the hard transits? If so, what were the differences for you?

"And "ugh" is all I can say to that one. "
How did it play out?

***You mean the Saturn-Neptune square between me and my ex? I think what has stayed with me the most is how much he demeaned me and tried to humiliate me. He wasn't a bad person, in fact, he was a nice guy. And he was actually nice to me on the whole. But it was as if he couldn't stand some things about me, namely my inability to be practical, and my tendency to escapism and dreaminess. These may be individual traits, but I think his Saturn could not stand that Neptunian side of me. Also, he had a natal EXACT Saturn-Neptune square and the Magi write that a natal S-N square can result in extreme stubbornness (I think. I may be wrong as I read that a long time ago but I am pretty sure I am correct). So anyways there were a lot of tears and anger and several semi-break-ups, and in the end, we both gave up trying to mend something that had broken a long time ago with the first hurtful exchange. I don't have hard feelings, and I want him to be happy. I just know that I don't want to be the one making him happy.

"Isn't it amazing though how many long term/in love couples have those Venus-Chiron, Chiron-Neptune, Chiron-Jupiter linkages?"
Yes, I`m a bit puzzled about Chiron-Jupiter though.
Would oyu say it is also a romance aspect on its own or does this one need some more romantic aspects like Venus-Neptune, Venus-Mars, Chiron-Venus or Chiron-Neptune?

***I think Jupiter-Chiron brings in a lot of friendly and forgiving feelings on both sides. And if a couple has it, AND has the other aspects you mentioned, they can surmount a lot of problems. If the others aren't there, then that deep intensity of feeling might not be there. Also, I think Venus-Chiron just makes it really easy for people to love each other, but the Venus-Neptune or the Venus-Mars brings the intensity.

More in the next post. Oh, I just checked the rest of your post. Yes, indeed, those are some doozies! Is this someone you're interested in romantically?

posted November 26, 2007 11:57 AM              

you didn`t mention if those planets were at North or South declination.

Anyway:
Your Chiron is (contra)parallel his Jupiter: Cinderella-linkage, apparently very good for a relationship, friendly feelings, generous and forgiving. A romance linkage. I`ve often seen that in relatively happy relationships (given the other aspects are not all that bad).

HIs Jupiter (contra)(parallel your Uranus:
Fame-aspect. I guess this one would be neat for a business relationship.

posted November 27, 2007 02:57 AM              

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Is this just a coincidence or do Venus/Chiron contacts between two people really favor marriage??? Of course, other aspects indicating attraction have to be present as well to make for a rewarding and successful relationship, but it seems that it is the Venus/Chiron contact that makes the difference. What do you think???

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What a rare and concise find!
My Venus is conjunct my SO's Chiron, and now that you brought it up, I know why I feel the way I feel about him, namely -- I want to protect him from all evil, and keep him out of harm's way. I perceive him as a baby kitten, and feel a great deal of protectiveness, and I want to shield him from all hurts. I would never be able to (nor would want to) leave him, much in the same way that nobody would leave a tiny kitten to die in the street.

posted November 27, 2007 08:57 AM              

what a nice way of putting things

posted November 27, 2007 09:26 AM              

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I want to protect him from all evil, and keep him out of harm's way. I perceive him as a baby kitten, and feel a great deal of protectiveness, and I want to shield him from all hurts. I would never be able to (nor would want to) leave him, much in the same way that nobody would leave a tiny kitten to die in the street.

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You know, that's exactly how I feel about my special someone. I would never ever hurt him. And the thought of him being hurt by someone else pains me so much that it's almost impossible to bear. Only in our case my Chiron trines his Venus.

posted November 28, 2007 12:08 PM              

I hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving.
WE don`t celebrate it here, at least we don`t have a day off.

"***Yes, I believe any Saturn-Chiron contact in the synastry makes it really, really difficult for the Chiron person to let go."
Yes, it is. It took me only 15 years or so. And there was not even a relationship. Strange, how some people seem to be stuck to us, or inside our minds.

" hard to peel oneself off of it without leaving bruised skin."
I wrote a poem once that seems to illustrate how I felt that aspect (I wrote hundreds of poems about that man, and that is not an exaggeration, last time I counted it had been over 300). I actually wrote it just a couple of weeks after I had met this man, with whom I share the SAturn-Chiron-clash and the Venus-Chiron-linkage.

Timeless Space

Yesterday`s long gone.
Tomorrow hasn`t yet begun.
I`m trapped in timeless space.

Memories slowly fade
leaving marks of painful love.
New hope finally will dawn
but too far, still out of sight.

I`m stuck
where there`s no turning back.
I`m caught
where there`s no moving on.

I`m trapped in timeless space
with nothing but
faint memories of your face.

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I don`t know if I expressed it well, but it was a feeling like I SHOULD move on and had moved on, but still felt emotionally bound. And to tear away from that "being stuck" means to rip off some emotions, too, which certainly have left their bruises on my soul, or "marks of painful love".

"ONe question for you: did you see any difference between the soft transits and the hard transits? If so, what were the differences for you?"
Strange. I never really took notice of the positive transits. Well, the hard ones made themselves known, certainly.

"n fact, he was a nice guy. And he was actually nice to me on the whole."
Yes, isn`t it strange, how you can see the good sides of someone and know he is a rather nice person, and yet the interaction with this person will hurt you and you will have to realize that you just can`t make it work?
Isn`t that sad?
To love someone and still to have admit defeat, because it just doesn`t "work"?

" If the others aren't there, then that deep intensity of feeling might not be there. Also, I think Venus-Chiron just makes it really easy for people to love each other, but the Venus-Neptune or the Venus-Mars brings the intensity."
Definitely agree. You need some of the romanticism of Neptune and the passion of Mars, the spice. Otherwise the Jupiter-Chiron-aspect would be great for a friendship, don`t you think?

" Yes, indeed, those are some doozies! Is this someone you're interested in romantically?"
Not really. I`m not in his league anyway.
It`s kinda funny. He`s a rather new colleague and right in the beginning another colleague of mine mentioned that he didn`t say "Hello" to women, which I had never realized. And I jokingly said to her: "Maybe he only ignores the overweighed women." (Which we both are and he is very handsome, fashion-oriented and has been doing some acting jobs, before he joined us; he kind of sticks out this way).
HOwever, sometimes i can be a really silly Sagittarius and so I started greeting him very demonstratively (Poor guy), and then after a time I just forgot about it, but then I noticed that he had begun to smile at me and greet me, whenever he saw me on his way to his bureau (it turns out we greet each other everytime we meet, even if it`s the 12th time a day. lol).
It`s nothing more than that, just kinda funny and kinda weird.
But we don`t have anything in common, and he has zero interest in me, and I think I don`t have any interest in him either.
But as I said, it`s kinda funny´and a little bit silly.

DD

posted November 28, 2007 02:36 PM            

Do you mean a saturn bond (conjunct, trine, quincunx or parallel) or a clash?

posted November 28, 2007 02:53 PM              

And yes, it kind of produced a bond, I felt very bound to him, even when I knew and understood, that there would never be any kind of relationship between the two of us.

posted November 28, 2007 04:47 PM            

The Saturn Bond is positive (well for saturn anyway lol) and the clash is always a heartbreak in the end. Sadly.

Yes l think that the Saturn/chiron clash can bring you together in a bonded way to begin with and then rip you apart once you are enjoying the bonded aspect.

Nothing cancels it out - not even a full set of venus/chiron magical linkages.

posted November 28, 2007 06:30 PM              

It can be the Saturn-Chiron linkage as well. In fact, the Magi say that it's the one that's in some ways the worse because it binds you to each other strongly (like crazy glue), but that it creates a Saturn Captivation (as opposed to a Saturn Clash). A Saturn Captivation gives the Saturn person an enormous amount of control over the Chiron person. It also means they can walk away with less involved once the relationship ends. The Chiron person will find it hard to let go.

I've experienced this as well -- the Captivation, and it's a doozy.

Again, as I've said before, take everything the Magi say with a grain of salt because, as THEY say, the 70/30 rule holds in every chart. That means, 30 percent of the time, it might not work out as predicted.

It's their loophole, IMO.

posted December 18, 2007 11:02 AM            

CINDERELLAS - GEO
Venus parallel Chiron
Chiron trine neptune
Chiron inconjunct (150) jupiter

CINDERELLAS - HELIO
Jupiter inconjunct chiron
Venus trine neptune
Chiron trine neptune

SATURN LINKS - GEO
saturn trine sun
saturn trine moon
saturn trine mars
pluto trine saturn
saturn parallel mercury

SATURN LINKS - HELIO
Saturn conjunct juno

SATURN CLASHES - HELIO
Saturn contraparallel (exact) chiron (gulp)!

CUPID LINK
Sun inconjunct venus
venus trine sun

COMMUNICATION LINK
Mercury inconjunct venus
Chiron parallel mercury

SEXUAL
Chiron inconjunct juno
pluto parallel mars

ROMANTIC SUPER LINKAGES
Jupiter inconjunct (chiron trine neptune)
Chiron trine (neptune conjunct neptune)
Chiron conjunct (venus trine neptune)
Jupiter inconjunct (chiron opposite venus)
Jupiter inconjunct (chiron inconjunct jupiter)

NO Super sexual aspects - yipee!!

Although we both have juno/mars super sexual aspect in our natal charts!

posted November 19, 2013 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by lisalisa:
Is venus opposing chiron bad?

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I would like to know aswell.