posted July 25, 2014 05:24 AM              

I also liked your approach about the progressed person as providing trigger potential.

Nine,

posted July 25, 2014 05:32 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I can confirm what Nine wrote in her first sentence (have still to read the rest, but had to reply now. lol) wrote about Sun and Moon.
When I originally met Mr Sag, I was having pr Moon square pr Sun (with my pr Sun squaring and pr Moon opposing natal Uranus), it was definitely a click-worthy moment for me. (he was actually in the preparation mode of a pr New Moon at that time, coming along with an exact pr Sun-n Venus-conjunction).

Now a few years later I am preparing for my pr Moon moving into opposition to my pr Sun (Leeloo, we talked about that, remember?)
It will not make a T-square with anything in my chart, however pr Sun will be trine my natal DESC at that time (and pr Moon sextile) and the pr Moon will make a Grand trine with my pr Juno on my natal IC and natal Mars on my ASC, which puts my natal Mars on the pr midpoint of Moon/Juno at that time.

Maybe it will not be such a loud bang like it was when Uranus was shaking up things, but I think I can feel the preparation

Actually I can feel it ever since my pr Moon was opposing my natal Sun, so maybe that figures in as well.

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This is indeed an interesting finding, Ceri and Nine.

My parents on their first date:

Her: Sun square Moon (1)
Him: Sun trine Moon (4)

My ex - when we got together

Me: Sun sextile Moon (5)
Him: Sun conjunct Moon, Moon applying to Sun (9)

With Pluto Man, first meeting:

Me: Sun square Moon (5), applying
Him: Moon applying to Sun (conjunction) - it was 14 degrees, now it is already conjunct (4)

Tulipe, did you have Sun/Moon when you started your relationship with Mr Uranus?

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posted July 25, 2014 05:37 AM              

I think it also depends on how we view separations. Let's say two people are together, but they don't get along anymore, there is discontent, but the situation is dragging. When a square is aligned, they finally decide to make the right move and break up. So separations are not necessarily bad after all.

Or they might as well make a major change in their relationship, which will reconnect them.

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posted July 25, 2014 05:47 AM              

2012 - 2018

Sun/Mercury: 00-06 Aquarius
Moon: 13 Pisces - 7 Gemini
Venus:6 -13 Pisces -
ASC 4 -11 Gemini
MC 1 -7 Aqua
Vertex 27Libra - 2 sCorpio
Mars:15 Virgo - 14 Virgo

Juno 20 Cancer - 18 Cancer
Amor:5 -10 Libra
Valentine 00 Sag - 01 Sag
Eros: 29 Pisces - 3 Aries
Psyche:8 - 11 Pisces
Adonis: 29 Libra - 00 Scorpio
Aphrodite 2 Libra - 2 Libra. lol

and my progressions will be these:

Sun: 4 -10 Aqua -
Moon 26 Gemini - 25 Virgo
ASC: 7 -14 Cap -
MC 13 -19 Scorpio
Vx: 20 -25 Leo
Mercury 22 -25 Aqua -
Venus: 23 Aqua - 00 Pisces
Mars 2 -6 Cap -

posted July 25, 2014 06:18 AM              

During that time:

° his Venus conjunct my Jupiter on 11 Pisces in 3rd house (sec. 7th house) and squaring my Neptune and NN.

- of course this means his Venus triggers our synastric aspect of (my Jupiter opposing his Jupiter/Mars and square his 7th house ruler Mercury on my Neptune/NN-conjunction9.

° his ASC is most interesting (btw astro.com gets the progressed ASC of Pisces wrong)

his ASC changing from my 6th house into my 7th house, and obviously being conjunct my DESC on 7 Gemini and SN on 10 Gemini with is pr DESC conjunct my Mars before on 5 Sag, Mars being my secondary 8th house ruler and falling into his 8th natal house, and my Neptune.

Obviously that means, at the end of hte time I was looking at his pr Venus and pr ASC BOTH will trigger one of our 2 or 3 core synastric configurations, it is even more interesting to me as Venus is his intercepted DESC-ruler, and Jupiter is my ASC ruler, intercepted in my secondary 7th house natally.

Things should get interesting once his Venus touches 11 Pisces. lol
Probably even a few degrees before, using the 2 degree window-frame, it means this is going to start next february, as then his pr Venus is on 9 Pisces, 2 degrees off my Jupiter.

At that time, too his pr Moon will be conjunct my Chiron exact which means it will ALSO be opposite his Pluto (8th house ruler in 7th house, remember?) plus activating my natal Sun/Moon-mp.

WEll this happens at the time my pr full moon is forming (his quarter Moon will be some months later), plus my pr Moon will have opposed his pr Sun a few weeks earlier. lol

I need a break

EDIT:
Also I find it interestin that we are both having an applying progressed Venus-Mars-aspect natally.

his pr Venus opposite his n Mars
my pr Mars conjunct my n Venus.

His is quicker to form though and sooner.

using the 2 degree orb window-frame:

his pr Venus opposite his n Mars from february 2015 (peak: september/ october 2016)

my pr Mars conjunct my n Venus from
february 2015.
So I guess I was wrong. it happens simultaneously

(peak: November 2017 - but it is longer lasting for me, though after pr Venus is done with opposing his n Mars, it is going to oppose his pr Mars which will come into 2 degree orb somewhen in late summer 2017 for him, and peaking in 2019; and for me personally once pr Mars is out of 2 degree orb for conjunct my Venus,separating of course, pr Venus will start squaring natal mars and after that sextile pr Mars, which will stay in 2 degree orb until 2033. LOL maybe with a few holes in between, but still, quite a long row of Venus-mars-aspects)

posted July 25, 2014 07:24 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
So focusing on 4th harmonic aspects...

During that time:

° his Venus conjunct my Jupiter on 11 Pisces in 3rd house (sec. 7th house) and squaring my Neptune and NN.

- of course this means his Venus triggers our synastric aspect of (my Jupiter opposing his Jupiter/Mars and square his 7th house ruler Mercury on my Neptune/NN-conjunction9.

° his ASC is most interesting (btw astro.com gets the progressed ASC of Pisces wrong)

his ASC changing from my 6th house into my 7th house, and obviously being conjunct my DESC on 7 Gemini and SN on 10 Gemini with is pr DESC conjunct my Mars before on 5 Sag, Mars being my secondary 8th house ruler and falling into his 8th natal house, and my Neptune.

Obviously that means, at the end of hte time I was looking at his pr Venus and pr ASC BOTH will trigger one of our 2 or 3 core synastric configurations, it is even more interesting to me as Venus is his intercepted DESC-ruler, and Jupiter is my ASC ruler, intercepted in my secondary 7th house natally.

Things should get interesting once his Venus touches 11 Pisces. lol
Probably even a few degrees before, using the 2 degree window-frame, it means this is going to start next february, as then his pr Venus is on 9 Pisces, 2 degrees off my Jupiter.
..............
LOL maybe with a few holes in between, but still, quite a long row of Venus-mars-aspects)

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Yes, look how interesting the dynamics is, there are windows for those Venus/Mars to connect.

posted July 25, 2014 07:27 AM              

continuing

his pr Vertex transiting my Uranus (and Adonis and Union)

his pr Juno transiting my Eros and Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp

his pr Amor transiting my MC and Pluto and squaring my Venus.

his pr Valentine slowly applying to my Amor on 2 Sag

his pr Eros slowly applying to my IC on 4 Aries.

his pr Psyche doing the same as his pr Venus does

so as far as I can see, the main synastric configurations triggered by his progressed chart are really the one I mentioned:

his pr Venus-Psyche and pr ASC triggering:
my Jupiter (on his Eros btw) opposing his Mars-Jupiter-Amor, and squaring his Mercury on my Neptune-NN-ASC.

additionally:

his pr Juno
conjunct my Vertex, Eros, Sun/Moon-mp which is squaring my Chiron on 20 Aries and squaring his Pluto on 20 Libra.

I`d say those are the prominent synastric configurations that are being triggered.
(it is true though that his pr Amor is triggering my Pluto on my MC, squaring my Venus, too.
But as far as I can see he has no major planets or angles on the 5-10 cardinal degrees.

posted July 25, 2014 07:32 AM              

Well my pr Moon has had a long row of aspects to his natal chart, but it is so quickly moving, among those are:

conjunct his IC on 28 Gemini
opposite his Sun on 27 Sag
opposite his Moon on 28 Sag
square his Saturn on 26 Virgo
square his Pluto on 21 Libra
opposite his Venus on 25 Cap
square his Uranus on 23 Scorpio
conjunct his Jupiter on 10 Virgo
conjunct his Mars on 11 Virgo
conjunct his DESC on 25 Virgo
and so on, but there are always quite a lot of pr Moon aspects.

posted July 25, 2014 07:44 AM              

My Sun/Venus/Mars and Valentine will enter his 2nd house and be there for a long time overlay - interestingly, in our synastry, he has Sun in my 2nd, so there's a clear activation of this theme.

My Moon starts in his 4th house and approaches his Sun/DSC/Vertex/Karma - by the end of 2019, it will already be over his DSC, in his 7th.

My ASC will transit his Sun/DSC/Vertex/Karma, will be exactly conjunct his DSC in 2019.

My MC will transit his SN (already conjunct there), then his MC/Saturn, actually will be exactly conjunct his MC/Saturn in 2019.

My Vertex will transit his ASC opp his Sun/Vertex etc and it will conjunct his ASC exact in 2019 (strangely how I chose this period of 6 years)

Looking at some aspects:

My Sun/Venus/Mars/Valentine will approach his Amor and at some point square his Venus (triggering or enhancing perhaps our Venus/Mars square and our Venus/Venus quincunx)

My Moon will transit his entire 5th stellium (with Venus Juno Eros etc, his Sun/Vertex etc before landing on his DSC) - a rather nice metaphor for the evolution of relationships, their movement from the 5th to the 7th house.

posted July 25, 2014 08:07 AM              

Amazingly enough, in 2021-2022 my Moon will be at 1 to 14 Scorpio, opposing progressed Sun. BUT...his natal Moon in 16 Scorpio will be triggered, which in turn means all our Sun/Moon/angles connections will be triggered.

First the Venus/Mars synastry will be triggered, then the Sun/Moon/angles almost instantly, with a window of superposition.

Which means if a relationship develops, this will without a doubt be a peak moment.

I think it is also safe to say if our relationship doesn't develop now, in the future, this can be regarded as a moment when a relationship could start.

Just making speculations here on this amazing tool of predicting relationship dynamics.

Let's see...in 2021 he will have a Sun square Moon, I will have a Sun opp Moon.

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posted July 25, 2014 08:11 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
those Moon and angle-transits look really positive for the evolution of a relationship.

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I was thinking the same thing, how important angles must be in this progressions dynamics. I must check my parents and other "certified" couples for this.

posted July 25, 2014 08:16 AM              

That day, not only our composite had a Venus-Return,w hich I did not even know at that time. lol

But his pr Moon was on 3 Aries just having come into the 2 degree orb for conjuncting my n IC on 4.58 Aries, plus my pr Juno on 4 Aries.

my pr Moon was on 15 Cancer, one degree off my n Saturn, and applying to a conjunction with his n 5th house cusp on 16 Cancer.

It also seems like he is experiencing certain synastric progressions first, and I am following later.

like

my pr Moon on his n Sun/Moon-mp in 2012
his pr Moon on my n Sun/Moon-mp next year

or my pr Moon on his n IC in 2012
his pr Moon on my n IC nov 2013

but also this:

his pr Moon on my n Juno october 2012
his pr Moon on my pr Juno november 2013
my pr Moon on his pr Juno february 2014
my pr Moon on his n Juno july/august 2014

Stuff like that. Weird.

posted July 25, 2014 08:17 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
However, the actual square will not happen before 2021 - 2022. In September 2021, my Scorpio Sun/Venus/Mars conjunction will approach a perfect square to his Aqua Venus. Moreover, it will be perfectly integrated into his Venus/Mars/Pluto Air Kite, pointing to our Sag Neptune.

Amazingly enough, in 2021-2022 my Moon will be at 1 to 14 Scorpio, opposing progressed Sun. BUT...his natal Moon in 16 Scorpio will be triggered, which in turn means all our Sun/Moon/angles connections will be triggered.

First the Venus/Mars synastry will be triggered, then the Sun/Moon/angles almost instantly, with a window of superposition.

Which means if a relationship develops, this will without a doubt be a peak moment.

I think it is also safe to say if our relationship doesn't develop now, in the future, this can be regarded as a moment when a relationship could start.

Just making speculations here on this amazing tool of predicting relationship dynamics.

Let's see...in 2021 he will have a Sun square Moon, I will have a Sun opp Moon.

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posted July 25, 2014 08:29 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tulipe, I'm gonna answer here, because it is about progressions.

I don't think a progressed square means "ending". Chances are, based on what I see here in progressions, a progressed square shows some issues become acute, they require immediate/important action or there is some event involving both people. It is like a turning point when action is needed, when actions cannot be postponed anymore.

For example, if two people haven't gotten together yet (one of them is still pondering, for instance), when the square aligns (between planets important to them/their synastry/comp and I suspect - reflecting a synastric or composite aspect), there will be a change of pace or mind or a resolution, so the pondering person will finally decide to invite the girl on a date. If they are together, the square can be separative, but it could also mean they decide to get married and they plan their wedding. When the aspect begins to separate (after a few degrees), it means the window has passed, nothing more, IMO: for example, if the guy doesn't invite the girl during the window, when the aspects separates, she leaves for an internship in another country, so he has to wait for another window to connect with her. I'll come back with examples.

Squares in particular will point to actions and turning points (this is what squares do in transits also, think of the squares of the great outers).

Another thing I've noticed after looking at some progressed evolutions: Sun Moon Venus Mars may be telling in a general way, but every couple or some couples have a synastric/composite THEME: like in your case, Moon/Saturn. I believe the progressed evolution of the theme (the aspects between those planets) may be more telling for that couple's evolution than the general Sun Moon Venus Mars.

EDIT: Actually, couples have one or several permanent themes, and every-long term couple has some temporary themes: like becoming parents, retiring and getting involved in some post-retirement activities together etc. I think these themes will be reflected in progressions and the dynamics between those planets will be more important for that stage than Sun Moon Venus Mars.

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Thanks Lee, a very good and thorough analysis, I like how you view the square as an opportunity. The Moon-Saturn square is important for the evolution of my rel. because those 2 are super emphasized in most of my predictive charts. When at first I see the progressed Composite Moon approche to an applying square to progressed Saturn, I thought "well, that explains it", then "this is the end" lol. After the Moon peak, and it's separating (still in orb), there's still this nagging feeling of something unresolved but the drive to delve and work on the issues has passed, definitely a missed opportunity.

posted July 25, 2014 08:38 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Let`s see what my progressions do in his natal chart.

Well my pr Moon has had a long row of aspects to his natal chart, but it is so quickly moving, among those are:

conjunct his IC on 28 Gemini
opposite his Sun on 27 Sag
opposite his Moon on 28 Sag
square his Saturn on 26 Virgo
square his Pluto on 21 Libra
opposite his Venus on 25 Cap
square his Uranus on 23 Scorpio
conjunct his Jupiter on 10 Virgo
conjunct his Mars on 11 Virgo
conjunct his DESC on 25 Virgo
and so on, but there are always quite a lot of pr Moon aspects.

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Is the Gem phase now? For how long? It looks significant.

Sorry, I got, it was like this when you met.
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posted July 25, 2014 08:40 AM              

my parents on their wedding day had (just checking pr Moon in her trigger-function)
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My Dad had been having a progressed natal New Moon about 2 years earlier in 1972, which was maybe half a year after meeting my mom (and probably getting serious).

his pr Sun was applying to a sextile to his n Moon (just under 2 degrees - this is REALY A good frame)

his pr Moon was not activating an angle; however his pr ASC was conjunct n Juno by 2 degrees and his pr DESC conjunct his pr NN (and the nodal axis is lunar in nature as well).

For my Mom I found that pr Moon had JUST transited over pr ASC a few months ago, and in fact was also changing into the sign of leo.

The transit over her pr ASC had been peaking in november 1972 - so same year as my Dad`s, but a few months later (maybe she needed a little more time. lol)

at the time of their wedding her pr Moon was just starting to apply to a square to her n Sun at 3 degrees.

And actually there had been a trine of her pr Moon to her pr Sun in spring 1972

BTW when she married my dad her pr Sun was conjunct n Vertex exact (my Dad had pr Sun conjunct n Vertex applying 2 degrees), and pr Vertex conjunct n Juno exact

pr IC had just been transiting over her n Moon, unsurprisingly in 1972. lol

and that were just their natal progressions. lol

not too obvious crossings, however

his pr Moon applying to a conjunction with her pr MC (3-4 applying) plus trine her her pr ASC (1a)

and her pr Moon exact trine his pr MC on 00 Aries (new cycle anyway)

his pr Moon applying to an opposition wih her n Moon (peaking 4 months after their wedding)

posted July 25, 2014 08:42 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

It also seems like he is experiencing certain synastric progressions first, and I am following later.

like

my pr Moon on his n Sun/Moon-mp in 2012
his pr Moon on my n Sun/Moon-mp next year

or my pr Moon on his n IC in 2012
his pr Moon on my n IC nov 2013

but also this:

his pr Moon on my n Juno october 2012
his pr Moon on my pr Juno november 2013
my pr Moon on his pr Juno february 2014
my pr Moon on his n Juno july/august 2014

Stuff like that. Weird.

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This looks very interesting. I'm not sure what it means. Like taking turns to generate/continue the same aspect between you?

posted July 25, 2014 08:54 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Is the Gem phase now? For how long? It looks significant.

Sorry, I got, it was like this when you met.

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No, we met when my Moon had just entered Taurus, but then I disappeared, and funny enough I reemerged in 2010, when my Moon was on 28/ 29 Taurus preparing to go into Gemini;
in March 2011 my pr Moon was going over my n DESC (and no, no relationship formed, )

the opposition of my pr Moon to his Sun/Moon/MC were peaking in august - november 2012.

Interestingly I even remember the moment whenI realized for REAL, that there was *something* more , something that was not just dreams and fairydust, which I had always denied even to myself. lol

december 2012.
And by then so interesting, my pr Moon had JUST entered Cancer, 1 Cancer exact opposite my Vesta, and on the contrascion and widely oppositeh his Moon/ MC.

In a way I have been pulled more and more, bit by bit into reality over the course of time.

When my pr Moon was going over my pr DESC exactly, the **** hit the fan. For real. Not just in terms of him, but as a matter of fact, the day the pr Moon was on my pr DESC, my grandmother died.

well pr Moon was not just on my pr DESC but also squaring my natal Pluto exactly and Transiting Pluto was opposing my pr Moon exact and thus squaring my n Pluto exact.

Oh and my pr Moon/DESC conjunction fell onto her natal Sun-Mars-Pluto-conjunction exactly, all on 9 Cancer. So I think this had more to do with her passing away than with Mr Sag in my life.

Anyway, now my pr Moon is in Cancer, at 24 Cancer, having passed my Saturn on 16 Cancer, my Sun/Moon-mp, Eros and Vertex on 21 Cancer, and now is opposing HIS natal Venus on 25 Capricorn, and after that going in Leo,

posted July 25, 2014 08:55 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
This looks very interesting. I'm not sure what it means. Like taking turns to generate/continue the same aspect between you?

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posted July 25, 2014 10:56 AM            

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I agree with what Leeloo wrote.
though there is a general truth and validity to the generic love-aspects (Sun/Venus, Venus/Mars especially), every couple has a very unique connection, in which even a dreaded Mars/SAturn-might become relationship-carrying and triggering (reverse order, first the triggering, then the continuation).

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But let's not forget that amazing "general truth"! Something I can't stress enough.
I'm sure we would all find amazing things in the progressed aspects of Melanie & Banderas during their separation if we wipe away the "general truth".

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Also even though some squares might result in breakin up or not coming together at all, I donīt think that is a rule. In fact I would prefer a square compared to nothing happening at all. THAT is where the big emptiness arises. No aspects seem more detrimental to me, with squares you still can work, if you put the effort in it.

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I don't mind a S/V-V/V-V/M square so much IF there's at least one other S/V - V/V - V/M trine/conj/opp in close orb at the same time (OR, what I suspect: a progressed compo conj/opp between any of those), which could brighten things up (IF it has the power to do so, that even would also be the question - more research required).

Again this answer from the big expert Westran himself (in black);

quote:

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"How would a PVenus square NSun and a PVenus Trine NSun play out together... I guess, what factors do you look at to see which one will over play the other- the square or the trine?"

In the case you quote, I think the trine has won already because a relationship has happened. The square will probably make the couple work and compromise and thats how relationships work so it will most likely be a positive situation. Squares are often judged very helpful in the longer term while they can be a bit uncomfortable or awkward in the short term.

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posted July 25, 2014 11:46 AM              

Still that does not mean we canīt form our own thoughts and do our own research as well (of course probably not as elaborate as his. It was exemplary).

posted July 25, 2014 11:54 AM              

and her helio pr Earth squared his pr Mars exact

her helio pr Venus squared his n Venus (2 applying)

Of course they were having some nice ones as well, at least in the years leading up to the marriage. But fact is they chose to get married with less than favourable progressions (if we term squares like that).