posted July 12, 2014 10:51 AM              

could you share your pearls of wisdom concerning progressed synastry?

I see this is a current/ recent interest of yours, and I would love to learn what you found out, how reliable it is to you, what you are looking out for etc.

And also, I sometimes forget to check, but actually in some secret corner of my astrological heart I find myself often thinking that the progressed synastry really might be the decidiing factor as to a wonderful natal synastry might manifest in a real relationship. Not to say any progressed synastry does, but it seems to me, if a relationship manifest, the progressed synastry was in play and very descriptive.

posted July 12, 2014 12:19 PM            

quote:

---

And also, I sometimes forget to check, but actually in some secret corner of my astrological heart I find myself often thinking that the progressed synastry really might be the decidiing factor as to a wonderful natal synastry might manifest in a real relationship.

---

I think you have to trust that 'secret corner'!

Yea.. it's a subject on its own. Somewhere somehow I think/believe it's ALL in the progressions (I even wonder if I may sound too uncertain now). I also often have the feeling that our focus on other astrological factors is just a waste of time. Or that we are simply looking for things in our natal/synastry to satisfy our own (together-forever) dream - if we can't find much in the progressions for example. Or maybe the fear that it will all END one day, which IS inextricably linked to the progressions.
And let's not forget, growing old together is not really 'the trend' nowadays. We're easily 'done' when it doesn't work. So I think the progressions are even more valuable than ever..

Progressions are a verry time-consuming area. No time left for other astrological areas if you choose for an in-depth study.
Well, I'm at the beginning of it all.. but I don't want to exclude Helio and the progressed Composite (u know how inextricably connected those are) .. I would miss half of it! I want to see everything!

Just thinking of Melanie Griffith and Banderas now.. there was nothing left for them.. NOT in the progressed geo synastry, not in the progressed helio synastry.. but (if I recall correctly) there was an exact Jupiter/Venus opposition in the progressed helio Compo. OK, so that's not enough? I have to see more and more... to get a more clear view on that.

Still in its infancy here

posted July 12, 2014 01:07 PM              

I have tocome back more thoroughly to this.
And yes, the corner is actually not THAT secret
You know it if you have seen my thread about Westran`s book.
In fact reading the book restored a LOT of faith into astrology for me, when I had started to believe it is all arbitrary and we can read into it whatever we want.

I still think natals are important, but they have to be seen in combination with the progressed.

As my personal "discovery" or observation lately, I have begun to pay more attention to the tertiary progressed charts. Of course the secondary need to be in play as background, but I noticed that for examle some sort of meeting happened for Mr Sag and me, or some sort of step in the development, usually the tertiary progressed charts was ringing the big bells.

It was most gobsmacking about the tertiary progressed composite actually. Which I can check cause I have solar fire, do not think astro.com has this option.

But just lately it made me laugh again.
You know I have been talking about that revelation/ little outburst he did on the last concert (probably surprising even to himself. lol) all over the place, but what struck me about the tertiaries was this:

my tp Sun conjunct my tp Moon (0°44) - actually this started a few days prior to this when we first saw each other that week, or glimpsed each other, and then the Sun-Moon was even more closely to each other. lol

my tp Sun and tp Moon falling onto my natal DESC (with an orb of 1,5 degrees at most).

this tp Sun on my natal DESC, made me remember that I am having secondary progressed Sun trine my natal DESC by 0°52 (it is actually applying so will et even more exact)

So seeing that I sort of knew that something was "up", not knowing what exactly thogh
--------------------------------------

as for the tertiary progressed composite

tp NN exact on tp IC

tp Uranus conjunct MC (0°17 a)
and keeping mind that that day Tr Saturn was conjunct c-MC and tp URanus by one degree, and Tr Venus was opposite by about 1-2 degrees, still close enough to be signicant.

And really I probably could stop with that occurence. lol

------------------------

I found it interesting though how

tp DESC conjunct c-Moon (0°38)
with Tr Jupiter-BML conjunct tp ASC and opposite c-Moon (I am talking 1 degree orbs here!)

To make matters even more interesting

Tr Uranus 15 Aries
tp c Mercury 16 Aries
c Pluto 15 Libra
c Venus 16 Capricorn

I am still in researching mode, but so far the tertiary progressed composites really are gobsmacking to me, in their relevance in timing as well as descriptiveness

posted July 12, 2014 01:08 PM            

I think, however, that active progressed synastry might come into play between two people who knew each other for a long time and then all of sudden they step into an intimate relationship. Then, the progressions between them might have shifted their perspective.

posted July 12, 2014 01:33 PM              

quote:

---

Originally posted by Orange:
For two of my most significant and long term relationships, the progressions between myself and them both, were not active, almost nothing matched, really. I did have interesting natal progression, however. For example one of the rl started exactly when my progressed Moon rolled on top of my prog DSC.
But there was nothing active between me and both men's progressed charts.

I think, however, that active progressed synastry might come into play between two people who knew each other for a long time and then all of sudden they step into an intimate relationship. Then, the progressions between them might have shifted their perspective.

In my case, both relationships started out of the blue with no previous history. The attraction, and the relationship started, based on the natal synastry and natal progressions.

---

I actually think the natal progressions (and solar arcs) have to checked frist to see if a person is even in the frame of mind for a change.

However, I have never seen a relationship that started without progressions.
BUT it does not necessarily need to happen between progressed charts, it often actually happens between one`s progressed and the otherīs natal chart.

But if you should really have had no progressions at all, my curiosity is spiked. Could you share the data? if that is okay with you of course.

posted July 12, 2014 02:53 PM            

quote:

---

Mir, what about progressed/natal synastry? Do you think it can show why two people get together, despite having, let's say, the Venus/Sun square in progressed/progressed?

---

Ow yes, for sure! But point is (besides the fact I've never seen it until now - specifically: coming together during a progressed-progressed Sun/Venus square within the reasonable orb of 2-3*).. the p-p Sun/Venus is usually a rrreal slow mover.. one-of-yearssss, so, what happens when the fast mover (progressed/natal S/V - V/V - V/M) is over? Is there anything left then?

quote:

---

I also wonder if ANY connection between Sun and Venus is connective rather than separative.

---

Thinking about your friends case now, that would almost be a yess.. but we have to have more examples of this. Still not done with his wife and him here

posted July 12, 2014 03:24 PM            

quote:

---

No Sun and Venus in my previous relationships either. I can share the data, but what is the best way for you, Ceri and Mir? Posting the progressed charts?

---

It's best to give the data to us personally OR... posting the "additional tables" from astro.com here.
If you take those tables from the "progressed composite" .. it's all there.
But then, don't forget the HELIO version also (later).

EDIT
Ow wait a second...

posted July 12, 2014 04:05 PM              

Have you seen minor aspects DW between Sun-Venus have effects?

posted July 12, 2014 04:47 PM            

quote:

---

Hi Mir, when you look at Sun-Venus between progressed charts, do you only look for ptolemaic aspects?
Have you seen minor aspects DW between Sun-Venus have effects?

---

Yes, only ptolem. aspects; Trine, opposition, square, conj. Those 4.
And this also for progressed-to-natal synastry.
But only the square as a separating factor.

But in the case of a progressed composite S/V conjunction, the underlying geometry can very well be a DW minor aspect, or even a DW square ... or even no valid DW aspect at-all. (with DW I always mean a "Same-Aspect" DW - otherwise, ofcourse, you won't get a Composite conjunction/opposition)

So yess we have to choose our focus

____________

posted July 12, 2014 05:28 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by mir:

.. I'm also verry curious about the outcome of Orange's case! I almost interpreted a lack-of ANY progressed aspect (shock shock lol)... but indeed, natal to progressed is AS relevant..

---

I can send you the data, too. I just emailed it to ceri.
In a third relationship which was very significant and resulted in a marriage, the only relevant progression at the onset was a progressed Venus- Mars square, exact. the rest was nothing connective.

posted July 12, 2014 05:46 PM              

quote:

---

Originally posted by mir:
Yes, only ptolem. aspects; Trine, opposition, square, conj. Those 4.
And this also for progressed-to-natal synastry.
But only the square as a separating factor.

But in the case of a progressed composite S/V conjunction, the underlying geometry can very well be a DW minor aspect, or even a DW square ... or even no valid DW aspect at-all. (with DW I always mean a "Same-Aspect" DW - otherwise, ofcourse, you won't get a Composite conjunction/opposition)

So yess we have to choose our focus

____________

Still in its infancy ...

---

Thank you Mir, I suppose the sextile is too soft to get things started then. I shall look more into my data to see if there's exception for the square.

posted July 12, 2014 05:55 PM              

thank you. got it. I will have a look tomorrow.

Well I had a cursory glance at you and the first man, and already spotted a progressed Venus-Venus-conjunction, with Venus being pr DESC-ruler. Have to make sure I have not made a mistake with the data though tomorrow.

Tulipe,