posted August 27, 2014 08:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
maybe a little bit of all of it, but personally I relate most to the "unavoidable" theme, that which you MUST face and cannot go around.

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What Ceri says, definitely unavoidable, plus I wonder if Atropos doesn't also show "turning points". It has a Plutonian vibe, something dies and something else is born from the ashes. Perhaps someone with a prominent Atropos has this Phoenix ability, especially on an angle or with Sun. Of course, for someone to experience their Phoenix power, unfortunately they will be tested with harsh endings/turning points, either inner or outer.

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posted August 27, 2014 08:15 AM            

My Atropos is in 12th Cap, opposite Saturn widely (4). But it's being squared by Mercury (1). I can tell you for a fact with one word, things could end for me. The strongest wounds I received were from words (Chiron also in 3rd, Aries). Someone could simply die for me if that someone lies or says something that hurts me and it's a process I can't control, it's as if they die for me, inside ( a Plutonian, perhaps Saturnian too, trait, but in my case, it is definitely related to words). Atropos in 12th also suggests the unexpected/unavoidable ending, friends turned into enemies, a bit of backstabbing. It has happened

posted August 27, 2014 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
interesting. Thanks.

just a short check up

my natal
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Urda 00 Leo 8th house
exactly conjunct PRIAPUS
square Uranus
trine AMOR

SKULD 26 Libra 10th house
conjunct UNION (3)
conjunct ADONIS (1)
sextile Sun-Mercury exact
trine PSYCHE (2)

I think this Skuld strongly shows a marriage with a good-looking man

WERDA 14 Scorpio 11th house
conjunct SIVA, MOIRA and LONDON exact. lol
conjunct LANCELOT and EURYDIKE
trine JUNO
trine Saturn

the anglo-saxon connection is very interesting

his natal
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URDA 16 Leo 6th
sextile WERDANDI (2)
trine SKULD (1)
square VALENTINE 83)

so his Fates are aligned?? perhaps this is an indicator of "going someplace", a certain degree of fame, with Leo too

SKULD 17 Aries 1st house
opposite SPIRIT (2)
trine Neptune (3)
opposite WERDANDI (1)
quinkunx natural Black Moon
quinkunx VALENTINE (Yod)

the same here

WERDANDI
19 Libra 7th house
conjunct SPIRIT exact
conjunct Pluto
conjunct ANTEROS
sextile Neptune

it's obvious that for him, the lesson for his spiritual evolution is related to relationships, learning to be a good partner/friend

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posted August 27, 2014 09:24 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What Ceri says, definitely unavoidable, plus I wonder if Atropos doesn't also show "turning points". It has a Plutonian vibe, something dies and something else is born from the ashes. Perhaps someone with a prominent Atropos has this Phoenix ability, especially on an angle or with Sun. Of course, for someone to experience their Phoenix power, unfortunately they will be tested with harsh endings/turning points, either inner or outer.

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I relate to that A LOT.

But my Venus is squaring Pluto, so I suppose I have that katharsis-element inbuilt.

Turning point is a good one, too.

Even though ironically A-tropos means: "un-turnable, not turning, inflexible"

It is what you have to take, go through, for being able to move on, what it means iI think is that you can`t turn back from that, yuo can`t turn away or around, like saying, okay there is this thing in front of me (Atropos) so I rather seek a way around it, even though it may take longer.

Does. Not. Work. With Atropos. If you try that you stay stuck, there will be no moving on, no change, you will freeze in time. Transformation is stopped.

It is when you go THROUGH this thing (Atropos) that real transformation is possible. Atropos herself is inflexible, unyielding, sterner than the sternest Saturn (you WILL do that, or you won`t do anything at all!), and sine Atropos herself can`t be turned or persuaded or moved by crying, shouting, fighting, biting, smiling, speaking, silence, well your life, YOU will need to change, to be transformed, to turn, YOU will have to accept and surrender whatever Atropos represents in your chart, you have to integrate this thing, make it part of yourself, and only then growth and transformation is being established.

Oh btw I have asteroid PHOINIX exactly conjunct my Chiron, opposing my DNA-Musa-Sappho exact, squaring Eros-Vertex-Sun/Moon-mp exact.
Oh and sextile ATROPOS and CUPIDO exact.

posted August 27, 2014 09:38 AM            

werdandi 6 degree Aries no aspects to anything.
(nothing at the present)!

what about transits???

posted August 27, 2014 09:47 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Let's go kidnap this guy, the charts are too good.

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Let's go!

You mentioned other asteroids, I checked them and now I have a question. What do you think about these aspects in synastry:
Atropos conjunct Sun
Phoinix conjunct Atropos
Phoinix conjunct Pluto
and composite Phoinix conjunct NN and Moon-Pluto
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posted August 27, 2014 10:09 AM            

Urda in 2nd house
biquintile Venus
trine POF
square Ceres
opposite Psyche

hmm, maybe I have good love karma.

Werdandi in 11th house
sesquisquare Venus/Vesta
Grand Trine with Talent and Atropos
widely opposite BML (3)
I have the Phoenix talent?

Skuld in 7th house
conjunct Sun/Mercury/Moira
square Moon
square North Node/Klotho
opposite Pholus
trine Eros
Ah ha, I'll marry/have a meaningful relationship with a soulmate

posted August 27, 2014 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I relate to that A LOT.

But my Venus is squaring Pluto, so I suppose I have that katharsis-element inbuilt.

Turning point is a good one, too.

Even though ironically A-tropos means: "un-turnable, not turning, inflexible"

It is what you have to take, go through, for being able to move on, what it means iI think is that you can`t turn back from that, yuo can`t turn away or around, like saying, okay there is this thing in front of me (Atropos) so I rather seek a way around it, even though it may take longer.

Does. Not. Work. With Atropos. If you try that you stay stuck, there will be no moving on, no change, you will freeze in time. Transformation is stopped.

It is when you go THROUGH this thing (Atropos) that real transformation is possible. Atropos herself is inflexible, unyielding, sterner than the sternest Saturn (you WILL do that, or you won`t do anything at all!), and sine Atropos herself can`t be turned or persuaded or moved by crying, shouting, fighting, biting, smiling, speaking, silence, well your life, YOU will need to change, to be transformed, to turn, YOU will have to accept and surrender whatever Atropos represents in your chart, you have to integrate this thing, make it part of yourself, and only then growth and transformation is being established.

Oh btw I have asteroid PHOINIX exactly conjunct my Chiron, opposing my DNA-Musa-Sappho exact, squaring Eros-Vertex-Sun/Moon-mp exact.
Oh and sextile ATROPOS and CUPIDO exact.

For me it means I have to surrender to how erotic love and attraction renders one at the most vulnerable to get into that stubborn head of mine that only through this kind of "nakedness" true intimacy (Atropos conjuncts my Moon) is possible.

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Atropos conjunct Moon is indeed accepting to be emotionally/femininity vulnerable/open, somehow to surrender. It is a challenge for an Aqua Moon, so no wonder it is there.

posted August 27, 2014 10:12 AM            

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Ah ha, I'll marry/have a meaningful relationship with a soulmate

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posted August 27, 2014 10:15 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
My Atropos is in 12th Cap, opposite Saturn widely (4). But it's being squared by Mercury (1). I can tell you for a fact with one word, things could end for me. The strongest wounds I received were from words (Chiron also in 3rd, Aries). Someone could simply die for me if that someone lies or says something that hurts me and it's a process I can't control, it's as if they die for me, inside ( a Plutonian, perhaps Saturnian too, trait, but in my case, it is definitely related to words). Atropos in 12th also suggests the unexpected/unavoidable ending, friends turned into enemies, a bit of backstabbing. It has happened

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*hugs* reminds me how lucky I am with friendship.

posted August 27, 2014 10:16 AM            

my PHOINIX is conjunct his SKULD.
his PHOINIX is conjunct my SKULD as well, and btw handsome, yes, my APOLLO Is on 26 Libra as well, right on my ADONIS, and UNION and of course SKULD. lol

anyway PHOINIX (4543)

in composite it makes for an exact tripl conjunction of

posted August 27, 2014 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]Ah ha, I'll marry/have a meaningful relationship with a soulmate

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You wish

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lol when I wish long enough it'll come true

posted August 27, 2014 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
You mentioned other asteroids, I checked them and now I have a question. What do you think about these aspects in synastry:
Atropos conjunct Sun
Phoinix conjunct Atropos
Phoinix conjunct Pluto
and composite Phoinix conjunct NN and Moon-Pluto?

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We have Phoinix asteroid? ^^ I wish there's a swan asteroid somewhere. Btw, do you have strong Pluto/Persephone/Proserpina (h57 most of all) in your Composite?

posted August 27, 2014 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[QUOTE]Ah ha, I'll marry/have a meaningful relationship with a soulmate

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You wish

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Thanks for directing me to Phoinix, who ever he is lol.

Phoinix opposite POF/Briede
square DSC/Pluto/Hygiea
square Chaos/ASC
it's a Grand Cross and definitely a phoenix theme.

posted August 27, 2014 10:41 AM            

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Btw, do you have strong Pluto/Persephone/Proserpina (h57 most of all) in your Composite?

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hypothetical Proseprina

Hades conjunct Mars and quincunx HP exact, with Neptune they form a yod
Proserpina conjunct MC from the 10th...Edit: oops, it was something else
Persephone square Vesta exact
Why?

posted August 27, 2014 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
maybe a little bit of all of it, but personally I relate most to the "unavoidable" theme, that which you MUST face and cannot go around.

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That's how it's starting to seem to me, too. Very much so.

Do you think there's ever a time or way that it becomes about physical death?

posted August 27, 2014 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Let's go!

You mentioned other asteroids, I checked them and now I have a question. What do you think about these aspects in synastry:
Atropos conjunct Sun
Phoinix conjunct Atropos
Phoinix conjunct Pluto
and composite Phoinix conjunct NN and Moon-Pluto
?

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Atropos conjunct Sun - the Sun person would be a turning point in the life of the Atropos person - it will either bring a major, unavoidable transformation or their relationship will be a new beginning for one or both (which, of course, means it's also an ending)

Phoinix and Pluto to Atropos are reinforcing the Phoenix theme of all these three.

Composite Atropos conjunct NN - hm...I still ponder on Atropos in the composite on angles or nodes. I see only two possibilities: either the relationship is a dead end, or the relationship resembles Sun/Atropos in synastry: a major turning point; the situation before it changes and some things must die/must be transformed for the relationship to take place, so it's like a major fated marker there.

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posted August 27, 2014 10:57 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Swan? Does it have something to do with your name?

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Yes actually, I'm checking name asteroid right now. And guess what? Your name asteroid in my chart conjunct Paradise and they conjunct your Pluto. Coincidence? Forgot to add, my Adonis is there too

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hypothetical Proseprina

Hades conjunct Mars and quincunx HP exact, with Neptune they form a yod
Proserpina conjunct MC from the 10th...Oh, it's on the Point of Marriage
Persephone square Vesta exact
Why?

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posted August 27, 2014 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

Do you think there's ever a time or way that it becomes about physical death?

Not that, oh, TISIPHONE-HADES and ORPHEUS and 8H/SATURN overlay aren't bringing home that whole 'death' theme.

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It might be possible. But I am not sure under what circumstanced. Certainly an ATropos-transit will not be enough. Certain angles will probably have to be strongly affected, too. And even then, well often it is easier to see the death of loved ones in a chart.

(when my grandmother died last year it was when my pr Moon was EXACT on my pr DESC with Transiting Pluto being exactly opposite, and this repeating in the tertiary progressions as well.

my pr Moon/ pr DESC was aligned perfectly with her own natal conjunction of Sun-Mars-Pluto which received an opposition from Transit Pluto and at the time of passing a quare from Transit Moon with Transit ASC being conjunct my pr Moon-DESC and her natal Sun-Mars-Pluto as well - it was an accumulation of all of that.

But of course it could have meant something entirely different as well.

This gives me goosepumps though, she died on the day Tr ATROPOS was conjunct Tr Sun exact in Cancer, and this happening on my Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp.

it had already passed her natral stellium by 10 degrees though

However I put in Atropos in transits for last saturday, because him coming up to me had such an "unavoidable" feel to it.

Funny enough Tr Atropos was EXACT on my MC!
(and his KARMA and opp. his Osiris)

which means not only was it transiting compospite APHRODITE but also composite Eros/Psyche-mp. lol

Tr PHOINIX was on 16 Libra, opposing Tr Uranus exact.

with our composite Pluto on 15 LIbra and composite Venus on 16 and composite Proserpina and Circe both on 14 Cap.

No chance I suppose!

oh and our pr composite Atropos is applying to quindecile with our composite Valentine-Lust-conjunction and also quindecile our composite NN-Amor-Cupido-conjunction which has just experienced the exact conjunction of transiting NN

posted August 27, 2014 11:08 AM            

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And guess what? Your name asteroid in my chart conjunct Paradise and they conjunct your Pluto. Coincidence? Forgot to add, my Adonis is there too

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I just noticed...my Phoinix conjunct my PoMarriage and square my DSC ruler

posted August 27, 2014 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
It's been a while since I do astrology exercise but bear with me.

Urda in 2nd house
biquintile Venus
trine POF
square Ceres
opposite Psyche

hmm, maybe I have good love karma.

abundance is suggested too, or fertility

Werdandi in 11th house
sesquisquare Venus/Vesta
Grand Trine with Talent and Atropos
widely opposite BML (3)
I have the Phoenix talent?

in Pisces. Helping people in need with this combo, especially elderly people

Skuld in 7th house
conjunct Sun/Mercury/Moira
square Moon
square North Node/Klotho
opposite Pholus
trine Eros
Ah ha, I'll marry/have a meaningful relationship with a soulmate

and it squares the nodal axis. yes! you will have a good and somehow unexpected 9perhaps the groom is unexpected or the marriage is sudden)

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posted August 27, 2014 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
*hugs* reminds me how lucky I am with friendship.

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posted August 27, 2014 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What Ceri says, definitely unavoidable, plus I wonder if Atropos doesn't also show "turning points". It has a Plutonian vibe, something dies and something else is born from the ashes. Perhaps someone with a prominent Atropos has this Phoenix ability, especially on an angle or with Sun. Of course, for someone to experience their Phoenix power, unfortunately they will be tested with harsh endings/turning points, either inner or outer.

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Which means Atropos in a chart would show us where we experience this type of abrupt ending/turning point, what makes us cut the tie, take a turn, "die and be reborn".

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Apparently, I'm hard-headed on this subject, because my Atropos is in the 8th house conjunct Pluto. It forms an exact, almost to the minute, trine with Phoinix Retrograde in the 4th: both in fire signs in water ruled houses. Lord. And I thought it was my Pisces Moon op Sun and Mars in Scorpio in the 12th that made me so, um, unusual!

In keeping with the theme of this board, my beloved bQs and Qs seem to be prominent in synastry and composites, especially in regard to Phoinix. I'm talking 1 degree or less here:

Synastry: His Phoenix bQ my Atropos/Pluto; his Atropos Q my Werdandi.
My Phoinix conjunct his Mars, sextile his Uranus, Q his Skuld, and opposes his Werdandi.

Composite: Atropos conjunct Pluto; Phoinix bQ Sun and N.N.

Davison: Phoinix Q N.N. and Chiron