posted September 22, 2014 03:46 PM            

Here we go, I hope:

posted September 22, 2014 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Is this your FM with your fellow? Question: are the TOBs and the FM exact?

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Not first meeting; I'll post that later. I'm just curious on how you/others would interpret what you see.

The event date/time is exact; our TOBs may or may not be exact. My birth certificate says I was born at 12:00 noon and that's what my mother always told me, but she also told me she was unconscious, so who knows how exact it is?

His time of birth is debatable for reasons I won't go into, but I think the one I'm using is probably pretty close.

posted September 22, 2014 04:22 PM            

But I do need a few words on the nature of the event: is it the first kiss? the first time you threw plates at each other? at least tell me if it's romantic/intimate in nature. Is it an important event for your life as a couple or just an event you shared?

posted September 22, 2014 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I will interpret the chart for you, but not knowing his TOB makes the interpr inexact, since rulership is an important ingredient of this type of charts. It will be the interpr of a hypothetical chart.

But I do need a few words on the nature of the event: is it the first kiss? the first time you threw plates at each other? at least tell me if it's romantic/intimate in nature. Is it an important event for your life as a couple or just an event you shared?

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Oh, it's an important event in our life as a couple, but I don't know how to categorize it - closer to the throwing plates for the first time vs the first kiss end of the spectrum. It may be some kind of turning point in the relationship, which is an intimate/sexual relationship of 1 year duration, although we first met more than 20 years ago.

Edit: Yes, I understand the limitations of the interpretation, given the possible inexactness of his time of birth (and mine, for that matter).

posted September 23, 2014 07:35 AM            

Jupiter-MC conjunct SN 0
Jupitter opposite Saturn 2
IC conjunct Saturn 2
Saturn conjunct Pluto <1
Venus opposite Moon 2
Neptune-Uranus conjunct Saturn 3 2
Mars conjunct Priapus 1
Pluto-Cupido opposite Mars 2
SN conjunct Vesta 3
Ceres-Priapus conjunct SN 2
Juno opposite Mars 1
Juno conjunct Pof 1
Amor, Juno, Valentine conjunct Moon-PoF 2 1 2
Eros opposite Venus 2
Psyche opposite Sun 3
Pallas opposite Mercury 1

multi to his natal
ASC conjunct Pluto-Juno 0
NN conjunct Moon 0
Pluto-Cupido conjunct ASC-Uranus 1
Juno conjunct ASC 1
Sun conjunct Pholus-Eros 2 3
Mars conjunct Mercury 1
Venus conjunct Amor 3
Pallas conjunct Sun 2
Priapus-Ceres conjunct NN 2

posted September 23, 2014 08:52 AM            

Funny thing is it would put our 11th house Sun in 12th house, and pullin the 12th house Moon-Venus into 1st house.

Interestingly synastrically we have an ARTHUR-GUINEVERE conjunction on 11 Capricorn and on the day of the conert I am constantly going on about Tr Guinevere was on 12 Cap and Tr pluto on 12 Cap, too, on that reference composite ASC with Tr Valentine on 12 Cancer on the DESC.

And applying back (would get retograde after tha) to a trine to ARTHUR on 9 Virgo.

What I find pretty freaky is that Tr Guinevere was conjunct his name in my Chart (1 degree) and Tr Arthur was conjunct his name in his chart (1 degree) and opposing my name in his chart (1 degree). lol

his name in our composite is exactly conjunct Uranus near the MC on 12 Scorpio, and was naturally trined by Tr Guinevere and sextile Tr Arthur.

My name in the composite is on 13 Aries, and was of course squared by Tr Guinevere.

That very night Tr Karma was on 19 SAgittarius conjunct Tr Moon and Tr Pholus on 22 Sag opposping Tr Sun on 22 Gemini.

and all that conjunct our pr composite MC on 23 Sagittarius

Anywa ythat would be our composite using a reference place (the place we first met)

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Interesting that gives us an ASC that is just 2 degrees off the ASC in DAvison, and thus Tr Karma was conjunct Davison DESC and this composite (ref. method) DESC.

posted September 23, 2014 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Not sure if that is valid, the reference place method, but I found it interesting.

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I sometimes think that in my instance at least it has to have some validity, given that both us were born 1000+ miles away but have lived in the location of the event for 40+ years. Although without a magnifying glass, I typically don't see many significant differences between the two methods. Granted, I don't have a particularly well-trained eye though.

posted September 23, 2014 09:11 AM            

So far i haven`t seen too many differences in other charts, just ours. LOL

Though using the reference methd for my parents, even though the ASC moves just a little, it is enough to pull the Moon out of the 12th house and into 11th house, even though still conjunct the 12th house cups.

posted September 23, 2014 09:18 AM            

Midpoint composite

ASC on 10 Aries with Pluto (and Vertex) right on DESC.
Sun in 8th house.

As delicious that looks to my eyes, it doesn`t quite fit the reality of this pair; as strongly connected they are, it is not intensity and passion their relationship is built on, but partnership, friendship, commitment and actually both have been healed through their relationship. Like they are teaching each othr seeing things with different eyes, from a different prespective, and that is sort of liberating to them. Plus a true team they are.

With the ref. method they have ASC on 25 Aries conjunct Chiron on 27 Aries, as exhausting that sounds, it fits. (they began their relationship after my friend came out of a very chaotic very painful relationship/ affair, with a lot of anxiety as baggage, which by now has been completely healed off; him on the other hand had his own demons and issues, and somehow their relationship gave his life more structure and a sense of purpose I suppose. They are definitely teachers for each other)

and it puts Sun in the 7th house.

posted September 23, 2014 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
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Multi composite with first meeting chart.
Holy 12th house...
Not sure what to make of that one.
Chart ruler pluto trines IC trines vesta?
Rulers of 7th & 8th conjunct on the AC?
This Pluto = my uranus which is my chart ruler natally.

What I notice off the bat-
Asc = his neptune/his destinn
Sun= my MC
Valentine = my NN/his Asc exact
Moon= his moon/opposite his juno
Jupiter = my jupiter
Eros= his Eros/ my valentine/opposite my sun moon mp
Union= his south node/my Asc
Uranus = my DSC/ his valentine & NN
Karma = my destinn
POF= his uranus/my karma
Juno= my pluto
NN= my POF

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posted September 23, 2014 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm, it seems though, with the reference place method, they are not using the real midpoint-ASC, but simply look up in an ephemeris what would be ASC if the MC were at the same place as the composite MC is.

However, if I reject the DAvison that corrects the MC, so that it "fits" the composite MC, I would have to reject this method her,t oo, right (even though Robert Hand recommended it in his book) ?

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Ahh, so that explains why the MC doesn't move.

Looking at my one example above only (quite a scientific method ), using reference place the ASC is at 27 Vir, exactly opposite my natal Moon.

With midpoint, it moves to 29 Vir, exactly on my natal MC/opposite my IC. Either would fit in this instance, although especially when looking at the Sabians, probably the 29 Vir (midpoint method) fits better.

posted September 23, 2014 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Everything seems to point at Uraus, and while I would have thought it might be erratic or unstable or just exciting and thrilling, possibly off and on, seeing that it activates your DESC and his Valentine-NN. Wow that looks loving and intense.

Did this relationship shake your world?

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posted September 23, 2014 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm, it seems though, with the reference place method, they are not using the real midpoint-ASC, but simply look up in an ephemeris what would be ASC if the MC were at the same place as the composite MC is.

However, if I reject the DAvison that corrects the MC, so that it "fits" the composite MC, I would have to reject this method her,t oo, right (even though Robert Hand recommended it in his book) ?

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Are you saying that the "reference place" is only a corrected composite?
I thought it should involve the relocation of the three charts...am I mistaken?

posted September 23, 2014 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
Hi Ceri!!
Yes. The synastry is so-so and the composite outright stinks. But shook my world? For sure. We are both "Uranian"- I'm aqua rising & he's sun/saturn aqua so unstable is the name of the game...
My uranus also squares his nodes exact.
It's been touch & go for close to 2 years now.
I have really been working on letting whatever will be, be, but....there's a space in my heart for him. It feels like timing is always wrong.
Interestingly in our synastry I don't think I'm activating too many of his love houses but he told me he has feelings for me- and there's a complete chemistry & attraction that isn't one sided.
Things that make you go hmm...
And thank you SO much for responding!

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posted September 23, 2014 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Are you saying that the "reference place" is only a corrected composite?
I thought it should involve the relocation of the three charts...am I mistaken?

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posted September 23, 2014 03:07 PM            

But in this case, it's more about the relocation thing.
Actually, the reference place method is like a "magnifying glass", as Ceri says, with an additional coordinate, so additional coordinate sare like zooming in, IMO.
The angles change slightly in this case (ASC/DSC and the houses, so there is a movement suggested, pointing to some steps in the possible evolution of things. It has a temporal/eventful value, IMO, like I was thinking about the Davison chart.

But I would always start looking at the midpoint as the basic structure, then the reference place becomes interesting especially in certain situations.

let's say a couple gets married in a Spanish castle, they have a marriage chart there. it could be interesting to relocate their natals there for the actual event, but after the wedding, when, let's say, they will move and live in a third country than their country of origin, it doesn't seem relevant anymore. So the reference place is suitable to "relocate" person 1 + person 2+ the marriage chart to where they will live. That's when the reference place gets a special meaning.

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posted September 23, 2014 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It sounded like it is a corrected composite, focusing on the MC

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Thanks, Ceri, I believe so, it makes sense though to keep the MC and only relocate on the latitude, given that the MC is the "highest" longitude, right?? It's not as precise as cartography (LONG plus LAT), still a bit artificial - taking into account the "highest" point, but the relocation is present nevertheless. They use the same method for the simple "composite with a reference place".
I need to look more into it, but they must have a good reason for using one coordinate, they're Swiss after all