posted September 20, 2014 07:44 PM            

You have the option of a midpoint multi-composite and a multi-composite with a reference place. Maybe it's not a bad idea to prefer the "reference place" method, so far it looks more accurate to me and it adds the extra dimension of the location. But cast the midpoint method first - this is the basis, with unaltered natals, then look at the reference place method for extra clues.

There's also the interesting quirky option of a "center of gravity" multi-comp (I'll explain a bit about it later).

So...does it fit?

And how does it sit with your natals?

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posted September 20, 2014 11:00 PM            

So my question is still, do I use THE FMC or one of the latter charts?

Furthermore, do I use the time we met on the physical plane, or when his higher mind made contact a decade prior? (Because, this is me we're talking about here; Madame Quantum.)

posted September 21, 2014 04:07 AM            

Of course before that happens, especially in the online world, other event charts, like the first mail contact, are significant.
But a true first meeting happens when the auric fields touch each other, and usually it is clearly seen in the progressions and transits to your composite or maybe also your Davison.

Of course the love chart and wedding chart and all that will be important, but it does not render the first meeting chart obsolete.

Especially the marriage chart has importance, because of the conscious aligning of lives with each other.

In my case, well, even though I usually use the may 2008 chart as first meeting chart, we could debate, if the june 2006 chart might be the real first meeting chart, as that was when he was suddenly jumping up the stairs to where I was standing (during an open air concert) and threatening to stick his microphone into my face, and probably judging from the horrified expression on my face, and me actually taking a step back to hide behind my friends. lol, well he walked on to torment someone else in the audience.
Well that was pretty much the first time we saw each other, but I am not sure that was "near enough", and actually it had always been clear to me that our first meeting was the one, where we first were standing in front of each other and talking to each other.

posted September 21, 2014 06:00 AM            

Personally, I think the universe offers to us only the clues we need. Sometimes looking at an FM analysis (with all these methods) you may see bits of the entire story or just the next stage, especially if there is another important meeting in the cards (for example, in the case of a reunion after many years - the clues for the reunion may be there, but not the actual outcome of this reunion, something like "to be continued" in the chart)

This difference comes from the nature of their story: some couples meet and merge and live their life together, others have a more complicated or even adventurous story, where multiple dimensions of time and space and multiple people are intertwined. Perhaps they even have several alternative routes before them and the universe does not know yet what they'll choose (or pretends to do so lol because the choice involves multiple factors or because their choice may be a test)

Sometimes the universe gives us a bright and totally visible picture, other times it gives us riddles to solve and only clues, like breadcrumbs. Depending on how initiatic the path of the couple is and perhaps the emotional impact of the unrevealed events would actually trigger the future. It's like in dreams, where we often receive images as coded clues for solving a puzzle, but not the entire image, just flashes or the dream interrupts suddenly, when you are about to see the puzzle solved - perhaps the future after that has too many alternatives or, most likely, the emotional impact of the "solution" to the puzzle needs to be fresh in real life for the story to go on.

Personally, I use the FM chart for the "here and now" of what follows the FM: the outcome of the FM, the evolution after; does it lead to a relationship or not? what kind of relationship it suggests?

If the relationship happens and those two become a couple, I start using other charts, such as the "love chart" or the chart for them moving in together, starting their "domestic" life together or the marriage chart etc.

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posted September 21, 2014 06:13 AM            

Anyway, for the first meething chart (picking when we first talked).

midpoint method:

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posted September 21, 2014 06:31 AM            

I had a look at THAT multi composite as well.

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I suppose it was just one of these days.

And possibly he just meant what he said. The composite looks rather crazy to me at least.

Interestingly my natal Venus is on 6 Capricorn.

his natal Pluto is on 21 Libra, bang on the multi composite Mercury-NN, and in fact our normal composite NN is on 20 Libra, with Amor and Cupido a the same degree and Mars on 23 Libra.
Our composite Psyche (and Avx) sit on 25 Aquarius, because we have a synastric Psyche-Psyche-conjunction of one degree.

posted September 21, 2014 06:39 AM            

Ceri, the last ones are WOW...exceptionally fated...I'm most impressed with the Butterfly with the ASC sitting on a perfect semisextile and look at all the fate there.

It's my turn to prepare lunch, I'll be back

posted September 21, 2014 06:52 AM            

And then he sais something like THAT?
Totally NOT FAIR

And again I had to adjust my perception of the whole situation, realizing that I - still- was seeing just a tiny fractal of it, just the surface.

Well it`s time for him to become "normal" again, meaning going for the distance that is always htere in a performer-audience-connection, no matter how outgoing and approachable and nice the performer is.
It is quite difficult to accomplish though if he keeps on jumping off his stage/ pedestal and well doing the stuff he does, like asking me for my name and just I donīt know be around me.
It makes it difficult to find back into the "I am just part of the audience, like everyone else, nothing special about me" routine.
But eventually he or we have to return to there, cause whatever attraction-potential might be there, he is not available, and I am totally incapable and unwilling of playing the other woman.
So I think the only two routes left to take are either, acknowledge that connection in a more grounded, normal way (aka. just being aquaitances) or returning back to the ignorance-mode, which will set in any moment now. Waiting for it.
Actually I would have expected him to return to the ignoring pretty much after THAT concert, but well, last month proved differently.
Maybe we will hit that spot again, next week or next month. Becuase seriously?
His significant other is more than ****** about that, and she should be. If he were my man and pulled a stunt like that, well, I wouldn`t be too pleased about it either.
Of course it could be all just part of the show, but why is it recently always ME, who is part of the show?
It`s not like he couldn`t pick anyone else from the audience, which he should do to ensure the peace in his own home I suppose.
Involving me once is nice and fun and game, but repeatedly, it becomes a bit of I donīt know, weird?

So yeah, I suppose it is back to the ignoring-mode once more, cause there is no other way it could go, right?

posted September 21, 2014 07:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
you remember the concert, when he seemed to be a little "off" and distraced and was messing up on stage quite a bit, and then publicly admitted that I was driving him crazy?

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Wait!? What!? Where have I been? How come I don't know this story? Girl, email me the story. I must know!!! <3

posted September 21, 2014 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Wait!? What!? Where have I been? How come I don't know this story? Girl, email me the story. I must know!!! <3

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posted September 21, 2014 10:59 AM            

Is it me or are these charts very similar?

posted September 21, 2014 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I usually love casting the composite of the natal and event to see how everyone individually experienced the event.

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Absolutely, me too. But this would be a different analysis, I think it's interesting too: it shows what the predictions for a relationship are and what kind of relationship the FM chart suggests. It's like a composite chart between the two also composed with the event: the merging energies.

posted September 21, 2014 11:36 AM            

The first time Mr Sag addressed me in one of his shows had a very intense composite-event, at least for me.

my event-composite (for that show 3 years ago)

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out of curiosity I casted the event-composite for the dinnershow next week

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Funny isn`t it?

posted September 21, 2014 11:54 AM            

First thing I notice here (apart from the Yod, of course lol)

Her ASC 23 Cap
Venus 23 Cap Eros 21 Cap Valentine 24 Cap

Her Karma 2 Aqua
Pholus 1 Aqua

Her Moon 20 Leo
IC 23 Aqua

Her Vertex 28 Leo
Amor 29 Aqua

Her Saturn 6 Virgo
NN 8 Pisces

Her Juno 7 Aries
Jupiter 4 Aries

Her Venus 0 Sag
Vertex 28 Taurus

Her Moon 20 Leo
MC/Pluto 22 Leo - Moon/MC already

Her Neptune 14 Libra (her 2nd ruler)
Moon 14 Libra

and would you look at that:

Her Cupido 0.51 Scorpio
Her NN 3.18 Taurus
His ASC 4 Scorpio
His Moon 5 Scorpio
Karma 0.28 Scorpio
Union 3.28 Scorpio

His NN 12 Scorpio
ASC 12 Scorpio

His Mars 7 Sag
Mars 9 Sag

His Juno 25 Cap
Venus/Eros Valentine 23 Cap

His IC/Merc 13 Aqua
Sun/Merc 10 Aqua

His Sun/POF/Eros 20 Aqua
IC 23 Aqua

His Jupiter 9 Pisces
NN 8 Pisces

His Uranus (IC ruler) 13 Taurus
DSC 13 Taurus

His Vertex 12 Gem
POF 12 Sag

His Pholus 16 Cap
Uranus 12 Cancer

How about that?? They look like "the cards were played, baby" lol

posted September 21, 2014 12:00 PM            

I see a lot of conjunctions/oppositions to our natals, I'll come back with the details after a walk.