posted December 07, 2014 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Aubyanne,

how would you go about it in a systematic way?

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Specifically in regards to breaking down the PEs, or the whole process? I feel the PEs are the gateway, and the Key Points, almost quite literally, the key.

posted December 07, 2014 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
So if we have to start with eclipses me and the man I have karmic relationship with, share a same prenatal SE - 29 Libra. I have 24 Aries south node conjunct venus. Am I southnode centered?

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Excellent question, bumblebee. It's important to note how we do obviously share these eclipses with those with whom we share 'birth quadrants', so to speak. That's why I feel that comparison to the natal is essential. For example, I've got an exact conjunction of PSE SUN to my NNODE, but I'm not an 18º Leo. One who was born ON that day, for example, will have a different experience. The eclipse's energy will be utilised for different things for them than it is for me.

So, if you share a PSE, it's crucial to compare to the natal. Also, do you share the PLE as well? If so, there's no surprise there's a lot of karma in your relationship. Again, natal comparison is essential.

posted December 07, 2014 06:01 PM            

More later!

posted December 08, 2014 04:34 AM            

Yes, we share a prenatal LE aswell. It doesn't have any aspects with our natal charts, but it conjunct my husband's sun and his wife's venus. Both we were married when we met.

But I would like to point some interesting contacts that my venus south node conjunction has in our synastry.

First it is in opposition to his sun/moon midpoint and to his venus/saturn midpoint.

Also his draco mars is in exact conjunction to my tropical venus south node. His draco sun and mercury also conjunct it, a bit wide. The mars conjunction is exact.

posted December 10, 2014 04:05 PM            

So I'm not sure if I'm doing correctly but I have a feeling that me and my man were together in the past life, and presently together and will continue into next life.

Do souls stick together like this over multiple life times? For sure, this present relationship between us is karmic. Very difficult, and feels like we are only held together by a silk thread (thin yet mighty strong).

As for the LE and SE charts, I am still confused and not sure how to create them? Or do I even create charts.. lol! So lost!

I got the dates for the eclipses though:

SE: 22NOV1984 Sun 0Sag50 cnj. Moon 0Sag50 5:57PM EST

LE: 08NOV1984 Sun 16Sco30 opp. Moon 16Tau30 12:43PM EST

posted December 10, 2014 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
You go to astro and draw the chart for this date. Then yo ucan compare them to each other or to your natals and note what aspects it makes.

I have tried looking for more info on this but couldn't fidn anything expalining eclipse and synastry.
Thus my question remains: what do you think would be the implication of strong contacts from one natal luminaries to another prenatal solar or lunar eclipse ?

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Which location do I use though..? And depending on the location, I have the convert the time?

posted December 10, 2014 06:11 PM            

I used my place of birth as location and figured the time of the eclipse. he time given through the links aubyanne provided are universal time.

@I'msocappy

For now I considered the solar and lunar pre natal eclipse. Bu I think the post lunar and solar are also valid.

posted December 10, 2014 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Should one only consider the 2 eclipses (1 prenatal, 1 postnatal) closest to the birth?

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Good question, Cappy. That's the practise. I've not investigated those which aren't prenatal.

posted December 10, 2014 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
@yellowgerbera

I used my place of birth as location and figured the time of the eclipse. he time given through the links aubyanne provided are universal time.

@I'msocappy

For now I considered the solar and lunar pre natal eclipse. Bu I think the post lunar and solar are also valid.

But to be honest I still don't know how to use them, they make connections in most cases especially within family but aside from spotting the link I would be unable to decipher the meaning behind it.

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posted December 10, 2014 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Pretty Theft:
Cool! I looked up both PSE and PLE charts. My PSE chart is heavily 7th-house, which makes perfect sense to me since I myself am so relationship-oriented. My PLE has an 8th house emphasis. Both suns are in Gemini -- I've only glanced at these, but I do know that, natally, my sun-moon midpoint falls at 7 degrees Gemini, conjunct my natal Chiron at 8 (my NN is also in the early degrees of Gemini. I'm dating a Gemini rising ...).

More later!

Side question: Are you a Leo, Aubyanne?

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That sounds like a great start and approach to PEs, Pretty Theft. I'll share my charts in a bit. Despite feeling so much the embodiment of my LEO NNODE, I'm a 2H LIBRA SUN. But I have BML conjunct my SUN (2°) and PLUTO, which I've been told, acts a bit like a LEO BML, and is extremely Leonine and a natural performer.

I've been thought a LEO before, though. Can't say what that is, outside of my 29° LEO MOON Dwad. Perhaps being 0° conjunct REGULUS creates a powerful Leonine vibe? Then add to my PSE being so oriented around my natal NNODE, I clearly came in on a Leonine energy surge.

posted December 10, 2014 11:29 PM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
Really interesting thread!
I don't really have the time right now to look into it in details but I looked at some people pre natal solar eclipse and their family and it did hit ! Mostly sun to their pre natal solar eclipse, which does make sense in terms of karma.
So how would it be interpreted if you meet someone you're not related and you happen to hit their pre natal solar eclipse degree?

The guy I was the most infatuated with has his sun/moon pre natal solar eclipse at 25°capricorn, conjunct his natal North node, and my natal DSC/Moon and Mercury hit this degree. How am I supposed to understand this?

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ueharaa,

Actual blood relations or genetic ties, while argued to be karmically linked, are nothing in the grand scheme. If a lot of the charts you reviewed had hits with their family, then, indeed, those individuals can help them in powerful ways to evolve as they need to.

My father's MOON is 4° conjunct my PSE SUN-MOON; my mother's MOON falls on the degree of my PLE SUN. This tells me that my mother's emotional orientation would become a crucial point for helping me to develop my identity, through the lens of personal karma. But my father's emotional profile would be instrumental regarding how I fulfill my obligations to my soul-family in terms of contributing to humanity.

Indeed, I did develop many of my mother's emotional profile; my father's personality helps me more closely align with my greater destiny. He once lived in LA, too. Sometimes, I find I'm walking in his actual footsteps from decades ago.

As to the one whose PSE SUN-MOON exactly conjoin his natal NNODE, and are on your MOON and DSC? Wow! You'd need to investigate your DESC more thoroughly, also looking at the Draconic (soul contracts) and sidereal (karma) to understand how your DESC is involved. That's a potent tie.

He's NNODE oriented, so your hitting that degree is wonderful for his development. MOON/DSC, on its own, feels like the archetypal wife to me. It's a committed, feminine, energy.

Next step is to see how the PSE relates to his natal. Does the 25° CAP degree persist? Does it complete a pattern? Are there ties to SNODE?

He chose that particular PSE in regards to soul-family karma. Given how strong the hits are between it and your natal, there's no question you're soulmates of some sort; you can't hit someone's PSE so squarely and not be soul-family.

The key is to see WHY he chose his particular birthdate. Also, if the PLE precedes the PSE, or birth. It's said the one closest to birth shows where our personal versus soul-family oriented karma falls on the agenda. Some of us have a personal mission that relates to outstanding karma. Others are ready to satisfy the needs of the group immediately. How integrated our PSE is with the natal will also determine the importance of acting as an agent of our group karma.

posted December 10, 2014 11:34 PM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
Thanks for the answer Aubyanne.

Yes, we share a prenatal LE aswell. It doesn't have any aspects with our natal charts, but it conjunct my husband's sun and his wife's venus. Both we were married when we met.

But I would like to point some interesting contacts that my venus south node conjunction has in our synastry.

First it is in opposition to his sun/moon midpoint and to his venus/saturn midpoint.

Also his draco mars is in exact conjunction to my tropical venus south node. His draco sun and mercury also conjunct it, a bit wide. The mars conjunction is exact.

And another interesting astro fact that I am not able to fit in is that I just had a progressed new moon in exact opposition to our prenatal SE, and this progressed new moon also was an eclipse.

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bumblebee,

Having VENUS-SNODE definitely points to VENUS representing any unfinished business you might have. His drMARS being conjunct that? Bullseye.

The fact that your PLE doesn't interact much with your natals while your PSE does shows how your joint karma may be more reflective of the group, or the two of you may be acting as surrogates for the soul-family's karmic agenda.

posted December 11, 2014 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
Hmm..

So I'm not sure if I'm doing correctly but I have a feeling that me and my man were together in the past life, and presently together and will continue into next life.

Do souls stick together like this over multiple life times? For sure, this present relationship between us is karmic. Very difficult, and feels like we are only held together by a silk thread (thin yet mighty strong).

As for the LE and SE charts, I am still confused and not sure how to create them? Or do I even create charts.. lol! So lost!

I got the dates for the eclipses though:

SE: 22NOV1984 Sun 0Sag50 cnj. Moon 0Sag50 5:57PM EST

LE: 08NOV1984 Sun 16Sco30 opp. Moon 16Tau30 12:43PM EST

Then... now what.. :S

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Oh, absolutely they do, Gerbera.

It's my personal opinion that, what we need to evolve here, we'll bring in from elsewhere. It's easier to see this as 'past' and 'present', but, scientifically speaking, all we have is the now. This moment. It's all existing, everywhere, right now.

Are you and your partner together elsewhere, too? It's highly possible. Souls typically have a gameplan to tackle as much as they can in a cycle of development. But trying to process this all simultaneously is beyond the scope of the human brain in most respects. So it's easier to digest as 'in a past life'.

Any time that our PEs -- whether the LE or SE -- hit the natal of a partner, they are crucial in terms of our satisfying some outstanding obligation, or, even reaping rewards for acting in the interest of evolution elsewhere -- and here, too.

It looks like 0° SAG is your soul-group (or soul-family) karma. Anything hitting that degree will tie your natal (or his) to your greater karma. Whereas the 16° TAU/SCO axis is more personalised, and representative of a particular relationship or soul mission you're here to complete. This is where our personal karma appears.

It's possible a PLE won't hit a natal; in that case, reading the chart itself can yield clues into what your soul's chosen to explore here now. Is it NNODE-oriented, with the SUN aligned with the NNODE? That's a push for evolution, whereas a SNODE-directed PLE (or PSE) can point to being stuck in a past pattern that requires breaking in order to evolve. Sometimes, we must revisit past patterns in order to evolve beyond them. In this case, we'll see the NODES involved in configurations across the two charts.

As to casting them, I use birth place, and, as you were doing, charting the exact moment of the lunation. The ASC for the PEs can almost be mind-blowing in its perfect relation to the natal, or activating a natal configuration.

In my case, it's a Grand Cross, involving the PSE's ASC/DSC and my natal NODES, with the PSE's SUN and MOON on my NNODE, and my CHIRON square the axis, on the DSC!

posted December 12, 2014 10:17 AM            

Thank you for starting this thread.

posted December 12, 2014 11:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
ueharaa,

Actual blood relations or genetic ties, while argued to be karmically linked, are nothing in the grand scheme. If a lot of the charts you reviewed had hits with their family, then, indeed, those individuals can help them in powerful ways to evolve as they need to.

My father's MOON is 4° conjunct my PSE SUN-MOON; my mother's MOON falls on the degree of my PLE SUN. This tells me that my mother's emotional orientation would become a crucial point for helping me to develop my identity, through the lens of personal karma. But my father's emotional profile would be instrumental regarding how I fulfill my obligations to my soul-family in terms of contributing to humanity.

Indeed, I did develop many of my mother's emotional profile; my father's personality helps me more closely align with my greater destiny. He once lived in LA, too. Sometimes, I find I'm walking in his actual footsteps from decades ago.

As to the one whose PSE SUN-MOON exactly conjoin his natal NNODE, and are on your MOON and DSC? Wow! You'd need to investigate your DESC more thoroughly, also looking at the Draconic (soul contracts) and sidereal (karma) to understand how your DESC is involved. That's a potent tie.

He's NNODE oriented, so your hitting that degree is wonderful for his development. MOON/DSC, on its own, feels like the archetypal wife to me. It's a committed, feminine, energy.

Next step is to see how the PSE relates to his natal. Does the 25° CAP degree persist? Does it complete a pattern? Are there ties to SNODE?

He chose that particular PSE in regards to soul-family karma. Given how strong the hits are between it and your natal, there's no question you're soulmates of some sort; you can't hit someone's PSE so squarely and not be soul-family.

The key is to see WHY he chose his particular birthdate. Also, if the PLE precedes the PSE, or birth. It's said the one closest to birth shows where our personal versus soul-family oriented karma falls on the agenda. Some of us have a personal mission that relates to outstanding karma. Others are ready to satisfy the needs of the group immediately. How integrated our PSE is with the natal will also determine the importance of acting as an agent of our group karma.

But finding the links between the natal and the PSE will indicate why he came in on the energies he did, as opposed to being born during the eclipse itself.

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Thank you Aubyanne, this and your other answers are very helpful and extensive enough that I can finally begin to comprehend what the pre natal eclipse is about.
From what I understand, the pre natal lunar eclipse relates more to our personal karma, the one we need to resolve for our own personal soul growth while the pre natal solar eclipse is more about the "active karma" the one that binds us to to other?
Some sites only consider the pre natal solar eclipse but I guess the lunar one also factors in.

As for family members, I thought it would be quite normal to find connections from one natal to the other's pre natal eclipse. To me family members especially those people you grew up with (which in some case aren't just blood family) are the ones with whom we have the most karma to resolve. I tend to think that they're those with the most lasting impact on us.

Well yes it's certainly a potent tie. What's really odd is that my own pre natal solar and lunar eclipse doesn't make any major aspect that I know of to his chart (but I don't have his birth time ) The 24/25° degree capricorn is prevalent in my chart since
natal chart: asc: 24°50 cancer, mercury 25°cap and moon at 26°cap and moon is my chart ruler.
draconic chart: Vertex at 24° cap with mars hanging near at 21°cap
sidereal chart: NN at 24° cap
24°cap isn't so prevalent in his chart because it is only his NN degree. But his draconic pluto and possibly moon are at 24/25° cap and his venus at 23° cancer, and his sidereal chart has his venus/moon/pluto opposition at 25° libra/24°aries

Either way this is NOT a love/romantic relationship, more like a friendship/acquaintanceship that somewhat turned sour and with unexpressed unrequited love feelings on my part. so this will somehow echo back to your last thread, although I don't identify myself as a love addict (but I sure am a hopeless romantic..) I definitely think there was a lot of karma involved in the interaction though. The synastry in itself involves a lot of nodal contacts, saturn and karma aspects.

Now I don't have a lot of knowledge on what a soul group actually is but if it involves family members then I am pretty sure mine includes people whom I would at one point love but they won't reciprocate (I mean, this seems to be a theme with me somehow..) so maybe he's just part of those people that are supposed to open my eyes on something deeper or that I owe love to (maybe unrequited love is part of the karmic debts we have as in we hurt someone previously or we abused love one way or another so now we're supposed to know what it's like being on the other side)

I don't know what type of contract the pre natal eclipse to someone else's natal contacts would be indicative of.

My own pre natal solar eclipse doesn't make any major aspect to my own natal aside from a square to my natal mars. It does however conjunct my draconic asc and thus opposes my draconic moon and mercury and it also conjuncts my sidereal IC at 7° Virgo.