posted February 15, 2015 04:32 PM            

Your Node
= Saturn/PLuto (1°02)= Jupiter/Neptune = Saturn/Node = Node/Pluto = Venus/MC = Venus/Juno (the wife as romantic partner) = CeresVenus = Sun/Uranus (1°07)

NODE TO MIDPOINT SATURN/PLUTO
The misery of the masses, common suffering shared with many people
together.
- yeah, well, NO. lol Not agreeing with that, except in event charts.
not a light midpoint at all, I agree with that, but it is a connection fated to bring kathartic, transformative processes into your life. Of course that mgiht feel exhausting, painful, even traumatic at times. But what I see in it is the cleansing and burning away of everything you donīt really need in your life (and boy, that sometimes can suck, I know).

NODE TO MIDPOINT SATURN/NODE
Meetings of a serious nature; a lonely position.

NODE TO MIDPOINT PLUTO/NODE
New associations of significance and importance.
(Understatement of the century, this is freaking intense. Significant? *shaking head* Lifechanging connection that is what it is about)

NODE TO MIDPOINT JUPITER/NEPTUNE
Placing false hopes upon one's associations, dealing with others
na媣ely and/or simplistically; company of swindlers and/or speculators.
(yeah well Ebertin`s dislike of the planet Jupiter strikes again - scratch that one, and take my interpreation instead; this one here is more about grand dreams, a strong strong strong idealism in terms of connections; and sure yes, you could get deluded, but that is not the neccessary inevitable effect, sometimes if things look and feel fantastic, they simply ARE magic! Yes magic CAN exist, Mr Ebertin.
And yes i take the dislike of Neptune personally, after all I have that natally as well Node= Jupiter/Neptune that is.

If at all it means that we sometimes have too high expectations placed onto associations and THEREFORE can sometimes get disappointed, if people can`t simply meet our expectations. But sometimes they do, you know? )

NODE TO MIDPOINT VENUS/M.C.
An affectionate attitude; deep bonds of love.

As you can see a very intense spot in the chart for you. While the Saturn/Node and Saturn/Pluto *can* speak of feelings of isolation, withdrawel, and losses, I donīt think this is always the case.
In your chart yuo have a very close alignment of Saturn, Pluto and the nodes, and yes, a lot demand and pressure is being put onto connections and relationships. They wonīt ever be easy for you.
But show me the person with saturn-Pluto who even WANTS easy, who would feel fulfilled with an easygoing superficial noncommittal relationship?
What this rather shows is the All-or-nothing that comes with it. Yes, it will be exhausting and painful at times, but the depth of the emotional experiences is incomparable as well!

Since these midpoints in your chart are connected to Venus/MC and Jupiter/Neptune and not to forget Venus/Juno, I think rather than losses neccessarily it shows of the sincerity, seriousness and deeply fatedness (or karmic implications) in terms of your love relationships. That is deep stuff here!
And deep rarely comes easy, that is true.

Well for him this is

Node
= Mars/Lilith = LILITH / JUNO = Mercury/Mars = Mercury/JUNO

So, as we see very clearly here, his Lilith is connected to Juno (through the nodes, meaning he wants both the true soul relationship and the marriage. why not with the same woman though?).

Anyway all in all it seems a bit of a mental placement here, except for the intense passion that Llith represents, but we will not find interpretations for that.

NODE TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/MARS
Discussions with others; easily argumentative.

Seems that this position is more important - romantically- for you than for him (unless of course his Mercury or Mars would ruler the ASC, DESC, IC, MC, 5th or 8th house)

posted February 15, 2015 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
So, I'm more smitten then him at this point? And splitting what/who up? The archetypes?

I was feeling brave, brave enough to communicate with him seriously......now I'm becoming a chicken again after reading this.

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Don`t you dare chickening out!
For all we know I might be doing astrology the wrong way.

posted February 15, 2015 04:46 PM            

There is a lot of non verbal communication which gets on my nerves. I'm not good at reading people.
I have a friend who has observed us together and says that she can even feel the pull we have to each other.

posted February 15, 2015 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
You are right, Faith...Ceri knows her stuff!!
So do you!! I'm learning quickly from the best!

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posted February 15, 2015 04:51 PM            

your Jupiter sesisquare his Mars 0°08
this one is nice on its own, Mr Ebertin relates it to the possibility of marriage and especially having children

Anyway for you

Jupiter
= Mercury/Neptune
= MOon/MC
= Moon/Juno

UPITER TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/NEPTUNE
A rich imagination and great powers of fantasy; the large picture
becomes personalised. The inclination to harbour great hopes.

JUPITER TO MIDPOINT MOON/M.C.
The rich and deep soul-life, optimism and confidence. Enthusiasm, the
joy of hope or expectation, high aims or noble aspirations in life, a
deeply religious or social outlook. A happy relationship as a mother or wife, a satisfied longing for children.

for him

Mars
= Jupiter/Node
= Sun/Venus

MARS TO MIDPOINT JUPITER/NODE
Successful teamwork. A happy physical union, engagement,
procreation.

MARS TO MIDPOINT SUN/VENUS
The urge to love and posses. Pursuing the object of love, sexual
feelings, the application of creativity.

and then you also have

your Sun = your Lilith= his Uranus

for you:

your Sun
= Venus/Mars = Saturn/Neptune = Neptune/Pluto = Mercury/MC = Neptune/Node = Mars/Jupiter = Sun/Moon

SUN TO MIDPOINT SUN/MOON
Re-affirmation of desire to establish partnership.

SUN TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/M.C.
A harmonious relationship between body, soul and spirit;

SUN TO MIDPOINT SATURN/NEPTUNE
Painstaking attention to hard work to fulfil plans; feeling alone in
the effort. Physical reaction to stressful situation, lack of vitality,
.

SUN TO MIDPOINT MARS/JUPITER
A healthy sex-life, creative power, the love of enterprise, organising
talent, pride, a sense of honour, leadership. The day of happiness,
the bridegroom.

SUN TO MIDPOINT VENUS/MARS
A strong physical love; artistic power of creation; marriage,
conception.

for him

Uranus
= Venus/Pluto = Node/Lilith = Pluto/Ceres= Venus/Jupiter

URANUS TO MIDPOINT VENUS/JUPITER
The capacity to express joy whole-heatedly, the ability to become
popular quickly. Sudden happiness in love, quick fulfilment of
wishes, joyous excitement.

URANUS TO MIDPOINT VENUS/PLUTO
Love at first sight, fanatic (compulsive, passionate) love. Experiences off-the-beaten-track.

There you have it, your match!

But since you have the double whammy

Your Uranus = his LILITH

for you

your Uranus = Mars/Saturn = Mars/Pluto = Mars/Node
(please do take the following with a grain of salt again, those interpretaions are a little too gloomy, )

URANUS TO MIDPOINT MARS/SATURN
Extraordinary and unusual powers of resistance, the ability to give as
well as to take under provocation, the inclination to apply brute
force. A test of nervous strength, intervention by a higher force or
providence.

URANUS TO MIDPOINT MARS/PLUTO
Tremendous energy; dangerous sense of attack; a chip on one's
shoulder; fight first, talk later attitude. Sudden disaster or calamity of
great consequence.

URANUS TO MIDPOINT MARS/NODE
Organising others; getting people stirred up; sharing excitement;
sudden events that affect lots of people.

for him

LILITH (I will substitute her with Pluto, as this planet seems to be the closest in nature of Lilith)

= Saturn/Pluto = Sun/Uranus = Venus/Mars

PLUTO TO MIDPOINT SATURN/PLUTO
The threat of loss in any area of life; potential self-destruction;
hard, hard work.
(well like in your case, you can also apply the words: fate, kathartic transformation, karma, deep lifechanging developments and relationships)

PLUTO TO MIDPOINT SUN/URANUS
The demand for new perspectives, a new individual reality. A radical
reformer, the urge to rearrange things. Reforms. A strong drive for
power. Twists of fate.

PLUTO TO MIDPOINT VENUS/MARS
Powerful sexual drive; the conquest.

(of course Lilith is Lilithe and not exactly like Pluto, however I find it interesting that his Venus/Mars-mp is connected to Lilith. So his passion is the other woman, the one who is truely his equal and matches his raw soul).

posted February 15, 2015 04:57 PM            

his Neptune = her Node
triggering Mercury/Saturn in him

NEPTUNE TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/SATURN
A state of depression, distrust, emotional confusion. the longing for far and distant places, home-sickness,

posted February 15, 2015 04:59 PM            

Here I go for #3....

posted February 15, 2015 05:04 PM            

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and then you also have

your Sun = your Lilith= his Uranus

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*thinking*

posted February 15, 2015 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Your Node
= Saturn/PLuto (1°02)= Jupiter/Neptune = Saturn/Node = Node/Pluto = Venus/MC = Venus/Juno (the wife as romantic partner) = CeresVenus = Sun/Uranus (1°07)

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As you can see a very intense spot in the chart for you. While the Saturn/Node and Saturn/Pluto *can* speak of feelings of isolation, withdrawel, and losses, I donīt think this is always the case.

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What this rather shows is the All-or-nothing that comes with it. Yes, it will be exhausting and painful at times, but the depth of the emotional experiences is incomparable as well!
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Since these midpoints in your chart are connected to Venus/MC and Jupiter/Neptune and not to forget Venus/Juno, I think rather than losses neccessarily it shows of the sincerity, seriousness and deeply fatedness (or karmic implications) in terms of your love relationships. That is deep stuff here!
And deep rarely comes easy, that is true.

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That is all so cool...and understandable.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I promise though there are other aspects that trigger some really nice romantic and especially sexual midpoints for him.

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Yeah there has to be a reason he's drawn to her like moth to flame.

And I just want to comment on...

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
NODE TO MIDPOINT PLUTO/NODE
New associations of significance and importance.
(Understatement of the century, this is freaking intense. Significant? *shaking head* Lifechanging connection that is what it is about)

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Let's see, my node/Pluto MP is at 0.19 Scorpio. Darn I can't think of anyone I know with that NN.

Elvis' NN was at 1.08 Aquarius though

posted February 15, 2015 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
Sounds like I'm fighting a losing battle...

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I'm not getting that impression. For example, all of this is basically positive, your Jupiter midpoints and his Mars midpoints:

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your Jupiter sesisquare his Mars 0°08
this one is nice on its own, Mr Ebertin relates it to the possibility of marriage and especially having children

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posted February 15, 2015 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
*thinking*

Her sun semisquare his Uranus?

Does it matter very much what the aspect is...or are you mainly looking at contacts, plain and simple?

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For now just looking at contacts plain and simple. I do think though that the semisquare miht be a little more subtle, however not subtle enough to leave it out. At least personally I feel they have at least a moderately strong effect.

posted February 15, 2015 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
So the hot spots will be where A's planet, which aspects a bunch of A's midpoints, aspects B's planet, which aspects a bunch of B's midpoints?

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Yes, those are the dominant areas.

When we are finished with that analysis, of course, it will be interesting to see what midpoints are being triggered in each other`s chart, that are not connected to planets.

posted February 15, 2015 05:41 PM            

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your Sun
= Venus/Mars = Saturn/Neptune = Neptune/Pluto = Mercury/MC = Neptune/Node = Mars/Jupiter = Sun/Moon

for him

Uranus
= Venus/Pluto = Node/Lilith = Pluto/Ceres= Venus/Jupiter

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I mean, just put any two readings together from that set, and imagine those midpoint energies blending together:

YOU: "SUN TO MIDPOINT VENUS/MARS
A strong physical love; artistic power of creation; marriage,
conception."

HIM: "URANUS TO MIDPOINT VENUS/JUPITER
The capacity to express joy whole-heatedly, the ability to become
popular quickly. Sudden happiness in love, quick fulfilment of
wishes, joyous excitement."

posted February 15, 2015 05:42 PM            

I think the trick is to first understand the isolated meanings, but then read them in combination with each other.
A Saturn/Pluto-mp in combination with Sun/Venus and Venus/MC certainly will have different meaning than a Saturn/Pluto-mp in combination with mercury/Uranus or Uranus/Neptune.

"Let's see, my node/Pluto MP is at 0.19 Scorpio. Darn I can't think of anyone I know with that NN.

Elvis' NN was at 1.08 Aquarius though "
That suffices. it is not THAT important if it is a conjunction or a square, both will have the trigger-effect (well maybe the conjunction would be a little stronger, but square is still strong enough).

BTW my own Pluto/Node is on 9°37 Scorpio (I suppose Ian Somerhalder`s Venus on 9°07 Scorpio would be a terrific match for that ).

Seriously though, it`s just opposing Mr Sag`s Chiron on 9°35 Taurus, though THAT one is a tight relation, isnīt it?

But nothing in my own chart, except PALLAS on about 9 of the fixed signs.

However, the semisquare/ sesisquare to this one would be on 24°37 of the mutable signs (so, Sag, Gemini, Pisces, Virgo).
with the semisquare and sesisquare in terms of midpoints I am strict, so I would not count anything over 1 degree orb, which means my Sun is out of orb; however my Mercury on 25°02 Sag is clearly semisquare this midpoint, and mr Sag`s ASC on 25°38 Pisces, is definitely square my Mercury, and through that connection, triggering the whole picture of Mercury=Node/Pluto for me.

His Node/Pluto is on 26°23 Virgo; it is connected to a whole lot in his chart, much more evident than in my own.
as he has:
Saturn 26°42 Virgo
Sun 26°57 Sagittarius

which is squaring my Sun on 25°56 Sagittarius, so in this case it is my Sun triggering the Pluto/Node for him or rather triggering Saturn=Pluto/Node and Sun= Pluto/Node for him.

How interesting, there is an interrconnection of Saturn, Pluto and Node again. Hm.
But this is what he would experience.
Nevertheless even though I said I am strict with semisquares, I can`t help but noticing how close my own Sun is to a semisquare to my Pluto/Node as well.

posted February 15, 2015 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Also Septembergirl, notice that all of this is positive:

I mean, just put any two readings together from that set, and imagine those midpoint energies blending together:

YOU: "SUN TO MIDPOINT VENUS/MARS
A strong physical love; artistic power of creation; marriage,
conception."

HIM: "URANUS TO MIDPOINT VENUS/JUPITER
The capacity to express joy whole-heatedly, the ability to become
popular quickly. Sudden happiness in love, quick fulfilment of
wishes, joyous excitement."

Basically all the combinations of your sun midpoints and his Uranus midpoints are pretty lovely, which is probably why Ceri said, "There you have it, your match!"

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Wow....that's amazing...what I meant was that I'm fighting a losing battle to RESIST him.
Doesn't seem like he's going anywhere.
And between us, we have 5 children. I can still have more, but I'm getting older..time is running out.
And it doesn't matter because my presence alone is affecting his marriage.
Sigh....

posted February 15, 2015 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I believe in semisquares. My Saturn is semisquare Mars...so squelching!

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I am glad you do. personally I do not have any semisquares in my natal chart, but they seem to crop up in synastry for me.

posted February 15, 2015 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Also Septembergirl, notice that all of this is positive:

I mean, just put any two readings together from that set, and imagine those midpoint energies blending together:

YOU: "SUN TO MIDPOINT VENUS/MARS
A strong physical love; artistic power of creation; marriage,
conception."

HIM: "URANUS TO MIDPOINT VENUS/JUPITER
The capacity to express joy whole-heatedly, the ability to become
popular quickly. Sudden happiness in love, quick fulfilment of
wishes, joyous excitement."

Basically all the combinations of your sun midpoints and his Uranus midpoints are pretty lovely, which is probably why Ceri said, "There you have it, your match!"

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posted February 15, 2015 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

When we are finished with that analysis, of course, it will be interesting to see what midpoints are being triggered in each other`s chart, that are not connected to planets.

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Just basic, planet to midpoint pictures? Would you see, these are not as loaded" and therefore not as powerful? Or are they more powerful because they are just straightforward?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
For example I do not have any planet connected to my Venus/Mars-mp, and Mr Sag`s Neptune is conjunct that one (Neptune being his chartruler).
Interesting Mr Law`s Mercury-Karma-conjunction falls into the same space (Mercury ruling his 7th house).
Someone I had a MAJOR crush on in teenage years had his Mars exactly square this.
Too many coincidences to just ignore it.
But that would be the second step.

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posted February 15, 2015 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Have you already developed a sense of what each midpoint is about, after looking at so many midpoints for so long?

So the pictures come together almost instinctively for you now?

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posted February 15, 2015 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
Wow....that's amazing...what I meant was that I'm fighting a losing battle to RESIST him.

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Oh yeah...that's probably a losing battle.

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
And between us, we have 5 children.

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I have 5 children. Are you telling me that if I get divorced or widowed, remarriage will be a problem???

Oh yeah...it might! LOL Just be comforted that it'd trickier for me than you...

And some people merge families quite well. (Case in point: Brady Bunch.)

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
I can still have more, but I'm getting older..time is running out.

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Aw...you never know...

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Originally posted by Septembergirl:
I am forever indebited to you both for sharing this with me.

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You are more than welcome but it's mostly just Ceri. Thanks Ceri!!