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Topic: Thin Line Between Love & Hate...
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downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 1355
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 01, 2015 11:59 PM
  
Wow...So, this relationship started out very promising - long romantic walks, great makeout sessions and lots of affection, electric feelings. Then...
I found out that he had an updated dating profile after telling me that I was so wonderful and amazing that he could delete his profiles, which he actually did do...for about a day or two... I confronted him and he got really, really angry and defensive, blaming me instead of addressing the issue. Now he is threatening to sue me over clothes that he GAVE me after mine were stained when I helped him refinish his cabinets. (Just a complimentary gym tee shirt and an old pair of Levis)... Geez, man oh man. I can't stand him! To think, just one week ago we were spending all day in bed, eating pizza and staring at each other like lovesick puppies! Here are the charts (look at those oppositions!):   
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Aubyanne
Moderator Posts: 6237
From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 12:04 AM
That's the shortest CHIRON eruption I've ever seen. IP: Logged |
downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 1355
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 02, 2015 12:06 AM
Is that what did it? Wow, it's insane! I was thinking the exact Moon-Moon opposition - which I actually felt from the start (he is loud and obnoxious, I am diplomatic and proper)...So much for the "Cinderella" aspect! IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
Moderator Posts: 6237
From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 12:11 AM
Nah. I've not seen MOON-MOON opp explode like that. But it looks like a tight orb on the VENUS-CHIRON. Those aspects tend to be ... highly combustible. IP: Logged |
downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 1355
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 02, 2015 12:24 AM
Where is the healing in the "wounded healer"? I am so sad...IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
Moderator Posts: 6237
From: Tinseltown, Hollyweird, The Multiverse
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by downtomars:
Where is the healing in the "wounded healer"? I am so sad...
 I'm so sorry, DTM. They're the 'worst', too. It always feels like they're the greatest soulmate. And then BAM.  :: hugs :: IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces
Knowflake Posts: 456
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Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 02, 2015 12:38 AM
Chiron has a bad rap and i really dont understand it.They say you can heal each other but all the comments i read are about pain.Scary!!!
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stillatlarge
Knowflake Posts: 590
From: TX
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted October 02, 2015 01:18 AM
I have something similar going on. I feel for you. I wanna go cry myself to sleep now.IP: Logged |
EmGem
Knowflake Posts: 968
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Registered: Jan 2015
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posted October 02, 2015 01:19 AM
You know what? Yeah it does have a bad rap. And I'd be careful to be so negative and hopeless about having a planet Chiron conjunction. There's a reason Chiron is there. I refuse to believe it means the end of things forever between two people. It needs to be handled with care and openness. If you can do that, then I believe Chiron relstionships have the potential for deep transformation.I suffered a fallout recently maybe because of her Chiron conjunct my Mercury but now we are both wanting to make our friendship work again.
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browncoat
Newflake Posts: 21
From: Phoenix, AZ USA
Registered: Sep 2015
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posted October 02, 2015 02:59 AM
I'm thinking there might be a factor with the mars opposite neptune as well.Also, that saturn square mars is a tough one. In my experience that one requires either a couple of evolved people who can conquer that one or an otherwise amazing synastry to smooth it out. Saturn kinda hates mars & wants to control mars. The whole "I'm gonna sue you" is certainly a control tactic. I'm sorry for what happened. My heart goes out to you. I know your pain. (sigh) IP: Logged |
downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 1355
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 02, 2015 06:29 AM
It's crazy because I thought we had so many good things in our synastry: Moon/Mars double whammy, Venus/Uranus double whammy, Mars sextile Mars, just lots of Moon stuff. Even the exact opposition of the Moons I thought would help balance us out. I loved that he ordered for me in restaurants and had complete control of dates. I thought it was very masculine and I appreciated it because I am the worst at making minor decisions and he just DID IT. So, interesting that control was mentioned because I actually liked that aspect, until it crossed over into other areas.IP: Logged |
downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 1355
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 02, 2015 07:24 AM
Now that I think about it...I had a relationship with a guy whose Sun was conjunct my Chiron and he was similarly cold and disconnected at the first challenge we faced in the relationship. With both guys I feel like I never mattered to them at all, not even a little bit. They were both totally unwilling to fight for me and did not apologize for their behavior. Chiron IS cruel. I'll have to look out for those aspects now... IP: Logged |
Selene
Knowflake Posts: 1360
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posted October 02, 2015 07:38 AM
Did you meet during Venus retrograde? It happened to me, when i finally got into a relationship which progressed very quickly and after Venus went direct again, i felt nothing for him, moreover - he made me feel sick and i was so bored that i just dumped him. IP: Logged |
downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 1355
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 02, 2015 07:43 AM
We started emailing/texting each other when Venus was retrograde, but I made sure that we actually physically met each other when Venus was direct (9/13). The aspects, transits were good that day too. This is just...wow...that's all I can say about it... IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
Knowflake Posts: 590
From: TX
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted October 02, 2015 10:17 AM
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I loved that he ordered for me in restaurants and had complete control of dates. I thought it was very masculine and I appreciated it because I am the worst at making minor decisions and he just DID IT. So, interesting that control was mentioned because I actually liked that aspect, until it crossed over into other areas.[/B]
Damn, us too. Wierd
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LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 16970
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 10:22 AM
That would be the strong Moon/Pluto in these charts. Very very connected composite, apart from the Sun...it does aspect NN and DSC though, and that is huge...still, it receives no planetary energy hm.------------------
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llewsacm
Knowflake Posts: 191
From: Cleveland, Ohio USA
Registered: Mar 2015
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posted October 02, 2015 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That would be the strong Moon/Pluto in these charts. Very very connected composite, apart from the Sun...it does aspect NN and DSC though, and that is huge...still, it receives no planetary energy hm.
LeeLoo, what would be suitable in regards to aspects from the sun to the NN and descendant? Do you look for both in the composite or can it connect let's say, just to the NN? What aspects? Tribe, conjunction, square, etc... Your feedback is appreciated! IP: Logged |
Moonfish
Moderator Posts: 5100
From: Tropical Ocean
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 02, 2015 11:03 AM
His Sun/Saturn/Neptune make harsh aspects to your Mars. With Mars being a masculine planet you probably make him feel stifled (Saturn) and even intimated (Neptune) by you. So whenever you confront him about something he's going to defend his ego (Sun) and take it as a challenge.
Plus his Mars being in your 7H makes him want to be the "alpha" in the relationship.IP: Logged |
downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 1355
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 02, 2015 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
His Sun/Saturn/Neptune make harsh aspects to your Mars. With Mars being a masculine planet you probably make him feel stifled (Saturn) and even intimated (Neptune) by you. So whenever you confront him about something he's going to defend his ego (Sun) and take it as a challenge.
Plus his Mars being in your 7H makes him want to be the "alpha" in the relationship.
But, I SO let him be the alpha and I loved that about him! On our second date he had me change a tire while he directed me and on our long weekend together he taught me how to change the oil. It sounded weird to my friends and family, but I enjoy out of the ordinary stuff (Uranus heavy chart) so I didn't mind and I thought it was quirky. I actually did see shades of jealousy though - little stupid things, like about my car and braces (yes, braces). Oh yeah, and he is in the Army Reserves and I told him about how my dad graduated from West Point. So he would bring it up all of the time, "Did you tell your dad that you are dating an enlisted man?", "So, I am with the Officer's daughter...". Keep in mind, we are 35 and 36, my father has nothing to do with my dating life. It is just odd...
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downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 1355
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 02, 2015 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That would be the strong Moon/Pluto in these charts. Very very connected composite, apart from the Sun...it does aspect NN and DSC though, and that is huge...still, it receives no planetary energy hm.
I am a little nervous about our composite, especially the Moon/MC/IC thing. So...we both want children and we weren't exactly "safe" about things. He said we could have "dweeby babies"... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 1455
From: red river valley
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 12:33 PM
I'm lookin at Mercury...Mercury quincunx Mercury, opposition your Virgo Saturn... And conjunct Pisces South Node! That's definitely a combo ripe for really reeeaaally disliking somebody... especially if there were aspects of his behaviour which mirrored traits you've seen in yourself.. Don't know if that's the case here because probably with his Mercury also quincunx your Sun you are absolutely baffled by what he chooses to communicate and do not identify with it at all. Big Mercury issues, plus your Uranus opposition his Venus and your Mars square his Saturn... You're gonna feel violently opposed to him, yep. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 1455
From: red river valley
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by downtomars:
I am a little nervous about our composite, especially the Moon/MC/IC thing. So...we both want children and we weren't exactly "safe" about things. He said we could have "dweeby babies"...
Ohhh man... i totally understand. When i love someone and sleep with them i usually also would like to have babies... It just makes sense! Can i recommend something preliminary? get deeply in touch with your body in a meditation context--anywhere and anyhow you feel totally relaxed, in solitude, at peace. Have a good talk with your inner being about that--you and your body aren't really separate entities, and you can affect what happens through the power of thought and deep connection. Know that you have the power of choice here because you aren't at the mercy of the forces of the universe; it is really conspiring to help you (maybe you want dweeby babies! But there are other ways, in case you don't, and fostering and adopting, working with children in various contexts, and meeting a person who isn't totally intolerable are all beautiful options )
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Orange
Knowflake Posts: 3550
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted October 02, 2015 12:53 PM
His ASC ruler is Mercury, and your Saturn opposes it, his chart ruler. You made him feel stupid and inferior. You brought up some inferiority complex he had hidden within him from his childhood ( he has a natal sun- saturn opposition, which makes ppl insecure and usually pinpoints to harsh parents, especially the father) .
Your Saturn also squares his ASC, which is equally depressing to him.
Your Mars t- squares this insecure Sun- Saturn, so you definitely bugged him big time, something about you hit the wrong button. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 16970
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 02, 2015 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
LeeLoo, what would be suitable in regards to aspects from the sun to the NN and descendant? Do you look for both in the composite or can it connect let's say, just to the NN? What aspects? Tribe, conjunction, square, etc...Your feedback is appreciated!
Hi What I meant here is that the Sun receives no planetary aspects (from other planets), which makes me wonder if the relationship is connected enough to get off the ground, but the aspects to NN and DSC are very good. All aspects are good; the difference in aspects is only the difference in how the energy of the aspect needs to manifest. if you meant hard vs soft, no, there is no such thing IMO (ones better than the others). What I like to see in the composite of a long-term relationship is what such a relationship needs: everything active, all areas of life; there will be focus areas of course, for each couple, and an energetic print; but it has to look just like a long term relationship. There will be some romance in there, some eroticism, some work, harmonious every day life, communication and relaxation, friendship and common goals, intimacy and emotional connection, staying power, a future path traced in there, nodal axis and angles aspected; just like a relationship.
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downtomars
Knowflake Posts: 1355
From: NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 02, 2015 01:12 PM
It's sad because I really liked him. Our first date was so incredible that we went on our second date the next day. He used to be so affectionate - in a way that I always dreamed of (I read that this may have to do with Venus trine Pluto in composite). He really made my knees weak and he claimed that he wanted to be with me "Well, I'm 35, so another 40 to 50 years..." What a jerk!!! I think we might have spent too much time together. We spent the entire weekend together the week after we met and, honestly, he got on my nerves a few times. I thought about screaming "F*** You!" and leaving at one point when he was being rude and condescending about teaching me how to use an ax (yes, seriously)...Is this crazy? *Secretly*<I still want him a little bit - I feel bad for him, it's sad because he suffers because of PTSD - he hardly ever sleeps, and especially not at night. He said that being with me was "relaxing and easy-going" but, something got to him...> IP: Logged |
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